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It doesn't stop. When will they finally stop him from cheating

Smart decision. If Bolt D'Oro wasn't as likely as winner as he is I'm sure this decision might have been different

Damn, this is a tough sport when this happens. RIP Irap

Rb has 5 Breeders Cup wins, Javier has 7. Javier has won a BC race 4 times in the past 3 years. RB has 1 in that same time frame. Overall Javier has won with 7/91 mounts, RB 5/82. Javier is 27% In the Top 3, RB 19%. Statistically it's clear why Bob went another way.

Inaccurate, he's used Javier plenty in the pass with success

Collected is a speed horse, not runaway speed but he wants to have the lead. West Coast has tactical speed. Arrogate has tactical speed when he wants to. Mubtaahij is a closer

It truly is a disgrace

"isn’t training the way that we think (he) should be to compete at this level" Translation: 1. "we know we can't pass a drug test at the Breeders Cup" 2. "we need more time to get the good stuff undetected again"

Zayas who rode him in the Travers

Interesting thoughts, this is the type of discussion I love. Keen Ice is definitely in the most consistent form of his life. Any of his 3 races this summer/fall give him a chance if a lot of things go his way. I just don't believe he gets all the stars to align. The biggest issue I have with Keen Ice is he's not the type of closer that takes advantage of pace anymore. He gets too far back and he's just not the type of horse that makes up ground effortlessly, its a grinding style. The pace should be honest up front and he could be 10-15 lengths back early which is not where you want to be at Delmar. I don't believe he's good enough to make up the ground he'll lose early on these horses. I think we'll see an honest pace but would you call Collected, Diversify or Gun Runner runaway speed here? With so much money on the line I think we see one horse send and be the target for the other 2. Post Positions will tell us who that likely horse is. I think GR is the most likely horse to sit 2nd/3rd early. Good question about Gun Runner. It could be as simple as what you stated. The biggest issue I have with his races is, are the margins, times, speed figures all product of unquestionable weak fields and pace advantages? He's a very talented animal who's done nothing wrong, he can only beat who lines up against him. He'll face better horses who have speed and won't fade out at the 6f pole and there are multiple stalking types that will be coming with their run as well. The 10f thing is something we all know has been his kryptonite in the past. Are his previous 3 races enough evidence to suggest he can get the extra furlong better then his previous attempts? I don't know, I'm trending towards no. I think he'll run his race but this is a very good field lining up. If he doesn't get that separation he's used to turning for home in the stretch I think he runs 3rd. Pavel is a bottom exotics horse for me. JCGC run was good but you can see he doesn't have the experience yet to beat these. They have really put him to the test whether it be the Jim Dandy after a maiden sprinting or the JCGC going 10f after a 8.5f furlong race against weaker. It's interesting to think what he might have been had his career started sooner. West Coast's last two races have put him in the discussion. I don't think we see him going for the lead, depending on post of course will most likely try and sit just off the 3 main speeds in here. He took advantage of a paceless Travers, they did the smart thing at Parx and he ran away from them again. He will have to run a big race to win but there's nothing to suggest he can't and 10f is definitely something he wants. Exciting race if all make the gate