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notobsessed Re: Magnum Moon

5/5/2018 8:07 PM

Wow, what happened?

notobsessed Re: My Final Words on the American Pharoah - Serena Williams Controversy

12/19/2015 12:21 AM

Brian, I am so sorry you were the recipient of so much abuse!

notobsessed Re: Flashy American

10/4/2015 11:34 PM

It is not common, but it happens occasionally. Evidently it is OK if the mare is healthy. I'm just wondering how far along she is in the pregnancy.

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/7/2015 4:36 AM

I knew you were going to say that! :)

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/7/2015 12:03 AM

That's silly, no one knows how a horse will run in a 1 1/2 mile race the first time

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/6/2015 2:50 PM

Agreed, this is not the way to showcase greatness. If AP is as good as Baffert & the Zayats think he is, they need to let him prove it.

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/6/2015 2:04 PM

How can American Pharaoh break any track records when they ease him up when he gets a big lead?

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/6/2015 1:59 PM

Horse racing 101: being able to evaluate what a horse is capable of doing

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/6/2015 1:57 PM

I agree, but most are unwilling or unable to compare AP to Secretariat. Perhaps too much emotional attachment to Secretariat.

notobsessed Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

8/6/2015 1:51 PM

We will never know how great he is if they keep easing him when he gets a big lead. Just have to enjoy what we get.

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Wow, what happened?

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notobsessed | 5/5/2018 8:07 PM | Re: Magnum Moon

Well magnum Moon took out Mendelssohn costing both of them the race

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Mark Kennedy | 5/5/2018 9:24 PM | Re: Magnum Moon

Those were my top 2 picks. I cant say how the outcome would have been had this not happened but I hate it that they were not able to run their race. It happens though

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triplechrome | 5/6/2018 7:53 AM | Re: Magnum Moon

Mark I totally agree...also, Luis Saez riding Magnum Moon should be suspended, and fined for dangerous riding, this is not the first time this has happened with this horse.

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Richard Rowe | 5/7/2018 8:16 PM | Re: Magnum Moon

Brian, I am so sorry you were the recipient of so much abuse!

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notobsessed | 12/19/2015 12:21 AM | Re: My Final Words on the American Pharoah - Serena Williams Controversy

It is not common, but it happens occasionally. Evidently it is OK if the mare is healthy. I'm just wondering how far along she is in the pregnancy.

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notobsessed | 10/4/2015 11:34 PM | Re: Flashy American

I knew you were going to say that! :)

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notobsessed | 8/7/2015 4:36 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

That's silly, no one knows how a horse will run in a 1 1/2 mile race the first time

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notobsessed | 8/7/2015 12:03 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Sure they can, horse racing 101, remember! Evaluation of what a horse is capable of doing. :)

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slewcrew7778 | 8/7/2015 12:19 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

I knew you were going to say that! :)

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notobsessed | 8/7/2015 4:36 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Agreed, this is not the way to showcase greatness. If AP is as good as Baffert & the Zayats think he is, they need to let him prove it.

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notobsessed | 8/6/2015 2:50 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

How can American Pharaoh break any track records when they ease him up when he gets a big lead?

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notobsessed | 8/6/2015 2:04 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

So then we're back to why do they need to ease him up so much. Contrary to what some think, modern horses do set records. He was never going to break any of Secretariat's records so I can understand not trying. But the Haskell record was doable so why not go for it? If he got it and had enough left to continue winning his next races, people would know how good he was. The way they ease him up when he gets a lead makes them look afraid to push him. They don't want to take chances and that's not how you showcase greatness.

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DDAmasa | 8/6/2015 2:34 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Agreed, this is not the way to showcase greatness. If AP is as good as Baffert & the Zayats think he is, they need to let him prove it.

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notobsessed | 8/6/2015 2:50 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/08/16/sports/20080816-100METER_index.html

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amino998 | 8/6/2015 5:10 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Horse racing 101: being able to evaluate what a horse is capable of doing

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notobsessed | 8/6/2015 1:59 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

You are comparing what you believe a horse could do to what another horse actually did. Secretariat was also not pushed to break records. How much faster could he have gone? The same question can be asked of any horse.

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DDAmasa | 8/6/2015 2:07 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Secretariat was run all out in all his triple crown races to the finish line.

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Kevin777 | 8/7/2015 12:41 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Not in any of those races.

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DDAmasa | 8/7/2015 12:58 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Turcotte didn't gear Secretariat back once in any of the three TC races, Secretariat started from behind in every one of them as he was a classic stalker horse and finished iin a full out gallop. AP didn't need to run all out(except the derby) as he led wire to wire.

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Kevin777 | 8/7/2015 1:04 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

He didn't crank him up either. He did what he wanted. He could win from dead last, stalking , pressing and on the lead, turf, against older etc etc turcotte was passenger only. Amazing is cuz red really was a cow....his foals were heavy too.

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Wabz | 8/8/2015 12:22 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Yes it was amazing considering what a massive thoroughbred Secretariat was, and explains why he early speed was average. Once Secretariat got himself up to speed though it was like a big Cadillac rolling down the highway. Secretariat never carried more then 126 lbs though which considering his massive size and girth(1200-1500 lbs) was a huge advantage for him.

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Kevin777 | 8/9/2015 12:28 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Kevin I hate to tell u this but big red could generate tremendous speed from the gate if he wanted to. He was like quarter horse. I saw him blow a 22 1/4 in a work. The clocker and I both looked at each other and said nah, impossible. Only the others had the same too.

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Wabz | 8/11/2015 5:19 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Not true. In the Derby he galloped from last to first then was eased before the wire. In the Preakness he ran around the first turn, easily took the lead and wasn't pushed the rest of the way. And his Belmont speaks for itself. He ran alone most of the race. Sham struggled to keep up with him, not the other way around.

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DDAmasa | 8/7/2015 1:10 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Sham was pulled back hard after running with Secretariat for the fastest 3/4 mile in Belmont history because he wasn't right physically, Pancho wanted to take Sham out of the Belmont because he was sweaty and overly anxious. Pincay most likely saved Shams life by easing him up because Shams legs began to splay and he started to swim on the track. Sham also was anxious in the cage at the Derby and knocked his skull at the start of the race causing some of his teeth to be ripped out. Sham showed a lot of heart in the 1973 Belmont and if not for him pushing Secretariat the first 3/4 the Belmont record wouldn't of likely been broken.

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Kevin777 | 8/7/2015 3:39 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Oh wait you mocked sham. It doesn't matter cuz big red cut the fractions the entire race. And sorry but he was just galloping along the rest of the race. Hie did that cuz he felt like it, personally, if a jock did that with one of mine I'd take him off. But as I said no one told red what to do. He was too big and too strong to control. And again for the last time big red danced all the dances in form or not. AP wants greatness then he needs to beat proven older grade one champs on or off turf. He been babied to death.... As of now he is the best three year old. He's not even ranked above golden horn. Cuz that pony beat older

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Wabz | 8/11/2015 4:41 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Babied to death, AP ran past more horses over his three triple crown races among the twelve triple crown champions. Secretariat lost the first time he faced a four year old so what did that prove other then he wasn't ready yet? Sham was pulled after the 3/4 pole because the jockey knew something was wrong with him physically, if you watch that race Sham begins to swim on the track and his legs begin to splay. Panch didn't want to place Sham in the Belmont because Sham was acting overly anxious and was sweating profusely. AP will face Honor Code a multi grade1 winner and the best four year old in American at the Breeders.

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Kevin777 | 8/11/2015 5:01 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Oh plz cut me a break. He beat a bunch of allowance horses. Believe what u want. What went wrong with sham is that big red destroyed his will. He was very game but exhausted. That's the thing I don't like about racing. Sham gave it his all, big red was just being himself. Red could have been a sprinter too. Think whatever you want. Honor code I'd be shocked if he stays in form. He's a very unsound horse. Amazing what he's done so far. That leaves no one who could be in top form race ready by then. Like I said he'd have to go to the arc and face golden horn and treve. Cuz there isn't crap here on the dirt this year. The floor is all yours I'm done.

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Wabz | 8/11/2015 6:14 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Allowance horse! AP has beaten multiple Grade1 winners.

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Kevin777 | 8/11/2015 8:22 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Sheesh, he beat a few. How many time can I say he hasn't beaten older proven G1 winners. And none of them have fared well since which shows they weren't that good. Not to mention how many spotters were owned by zayat anyway. Mr Z did a dam nice job breaking in instead of out in the derby.. Then that pathetic challenge just enough to make it look like it was legit. Why didn't Dortmund move out and block his lane eh? He might have got a bigger check.... He never got so much as bumped once Now I'm done for real

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Wabz | 8/11/2015 11:34 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Sure, that's why in documentaries I've watched on the 1973 triple crown every horse racing analyst was urging Turcotte to let Secretariat go all out, "c'mon Ron let him go lets see what he can do".

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Kevin777 | 8/7/2015 3:42 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Secretariat's biographers indicate he would not dawdle to the finish line. An attempt to pull back on the reins would only make him speed up. The exceptions of course were when he was not at his best because of illness. These are documented and not merely excuses. But when he was not suffering from an abscess or a virus he set records in each of the Triple Crown Races and in the Marlboro Cup for the distance of that race which still stands today.

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Vernon France | 8/8/2015 6:23 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Seattle Slew came out of his stall prior to a big race with a full blown brothing fever sweat that even the TV announcer noticed, and fever and all Slew won. Had Secretariat won those races I doubt his sickness would've been mentioned, he wasn't sick enough to be pulled from the race.

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Kevin777 | 8/8/2015 7:13 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

He wasn't pulled from the race despite being sick because his owner and trainer were aware that fans, the track and TV were all counting on him running and they felt didn't feel they could pull him.

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DDAmasa | 8/8/2015 9:41 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

True, but the health of the thoroughbred should always come first and Secretariat could've died possibly.

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Kevin777 | 8/9/2015 12:16 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Don't know of any awards for capability. Speculation is not the same as accomplishment. Should we celebrate Shared Belief as last year's TC champion? He was clearly the best horse and 'woulda' won if he wasn't injured.

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slewcrew7778 | 8/6/2015 2:05 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

That's silly, no one knows how a horse will run in a 1 1/2 mile race the first time

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notobsessed | 8/7/2015 12:03 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Sure they can, horse racing 101, remember! Evaluation of what a horse is capable of doing. :)

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slewcrew7778 | 8/7/2015 12:19 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

I knew you were going to say that! :)

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notobsessed | 8/7/2015 4:36 AM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Remember also how SB and the other inside horses were mugged coming out of the gate at the BCC.

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Vernon France | 8/8/2015 6:25 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

That is always an educated guess at best, until the horse actually does it.

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kenfromRI | 8/7/2015 9:41 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

I agree, but most are unwilling or unable to compare AP to Secretariat. Perhaps too much emotional attachment to Secretariat.

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notobsessed | 8/6/2015 1:57 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Or knowledge of just how good the greatest ones were.

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DDAmasa | 8/6/2015 2:04 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

What exactly would be your comparison?

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slewcrew7778 | 8/6/2015 2:15 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

It can't be done anyway. Different eras, different tech, meds, track surfaces etc.... I assure u big red was pumped up on steroids. He was born a cow, Like comparing Bart Starr to Tom Brady

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Wabz | 8/12/2015 2:34 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

Secretariat's race record does not require emotional attachment to recognize his greatness. AP's most certainly does.

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Vernon France | 8/8/2015 6:17 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

We will never know how great he is if they keep easing him when he gets a big lead. Just have to enjoy what we get.

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notobsessed | 8/6/2015 1:51 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

In fact, we will have to wonder if he is eased up because he is NOT great.

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Vernon France | 8/8/2015 6:09 PM | Re: American Pharoah - How Fast Is He Really, and How Fast Can He Go?

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