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Breeding Racehorses: Finding A Boyfriend For Groupie Doll

Breeding Racehorses: Finding A Boyfriend For Groupie Doll

Groupie Doll is a brilliant chestnut sprinting mare who will probably retire in the next year. She offers great breeding potential as she harbors relatively rare lines, being by the lesser-known sire, Bowman’s Band, who served only two seasons prior to being euthanized. With the only lines to avoid being Dixieland Band and Deputy Minister, this mare has a wide range of options in the breeding shed. I have picked five of the best stallions to match Groupie Doll, and hope that in the comments you will give me your five as well.


Groupie Doll is a sprinter, she is a little bit on the late maturing side (running her best as a four year-old) and is rather versatile, handling dirt and synthetics. Groupie Doll’s conformation is short but good, she has a well set neck and wide, balanced chest. A good stallion to match Groupie Doll would be of a medium size (so as to prevent any foaling issues), have a strong back, be a sprinter or miler, have very correct feet (strong, good size pasterns and well set hooves) and be close to Frankfort, Kentucky, where Groupie Doll’s homebase, Indian Ridge Farm, is.


Uncle Mo (A++): excelled at a mile and was strong a furlong or two under as well. His speed carried him exceptionally, over dirt and from six-furlongs to a mile and a sixteenth. Uncle Mo has a decent back, is a moderate size and never sustained soundness issues, with his properly set feet and strong pasterns. Uncle Mo stands at Ashford Stud in Versailles, Kentucky and his hypothetical foal with Groupie Doll provides inbreeding only in the fourth generation, with Dixieland Band. Uncle Mo’s neck is slightly ewe-necked, but he possesses raw speed and we will soon find out if the ability is carried to his offspring. Uncle Mo was a quickly maturing colt, and hopefully will add some of his early charm to Groupie Doll’s late maturing body to come up with a better rounded colt. A cross with Uncle Mo introduces prominent stallions Indian Charlie and Arch, making him a very good choice for Groupie Doll.


Elusive Quality (A++): was a record setting miler who has successfully passed that onto his offspring. He never won a big race, but has sired versatile horses who have won on multiple surfaces. His bloodlines are full of versatile horses, such as Gone West who sired Da Hoss and Johar, turf winners at the Breeder’s Cup. He is 16½ hands, but mares have not had too much trouble with him. He has correct feet and interesting hooves which hopefully are just poor farrier’s work. He has produced sound offspring who excel to a mile and some are able to carry their speed further. He stands at Darley America in Lexington, Kentucky, and has almost no inbreeding to Groupie Doll. Only Gone West, and through him Mr. Prospector provide any major stallions, making him a solid choice for Groupie Doll. His large size and questionable feet do provide the means for debate.


Midnight Lute (A++): was an amazingly talented sprinter, winning back to back Breeder’s Cup Sprints. He has had success as a sire, passing on his closing kick and blistering speed. He is a lofty 17 hands, and has very nice feet and perfect pasterns. His back is decent and athletic, and his hindquarters are well positioned and muscled. While Midnight Lute was later maturing, his foals have had no trouble of being up to par as time passes. He stands at Hill n’ Dale Farms, in Lexington, Kentucky and hosts only the prominent stallions Quiet American/Real Quiet in his pedigree. Midnight Lute truly is a steal at only $15,000, and only his height is a noticeable weakness in breeding him to Groupie Doll. Last of all, Midnight Lute is a very handsome stallion.


Eddington (A+): is an interesting stallion. His foals have been more early maturing and versatile. Eddington stands at Claiborne Farms in Paris, Kentucky, and is 16.3 hands, however his foals have been small enough not to provide too much trouble. When crossed with Dixieland Band, Eddington produced Breeder’s Cup Juvenile Sprint winner Secret Circle. Eddington has exceptional feet and a nice broad chest as well as a strong back. He and his offspring have been sound for the most part. Besides Unbridled, Eddington has no other wildly prominent stallions, and he is a fantastic choice for Groupie Doll. Eddington is certainly a stallion that Groupie Doll should visit, and he stands for a paltry $5,000.


Tapit (C+): is an interesting choice for Groupie Doll. He stands at 16 hands, a perfect size for Groupie Doll, and has very good pasterns and decent hooves. He has a well set back and stands in Lexington, Kentucky at Gainesway. On the Deputy Minister cross he has produced G1 winner Tapizar as well as Draw It who was G1 stakes placed. He also crosses well with Dixieland Band, producing Kentucky Derby hopeful He’s Had Enough. Tapit has been throwing some fantastic milers who have the capability to mature at the end of their two year old season, like Hansen. Tapit does contain major sires A. P. Indy and Unbridled. Standing for the expensive price of $125,000, Tapit is a fantastic choice for Groupie Doll.


I have found five stallions, Tapit, Eddington, Midnight Lute, Elusive Quality and Uncle Mo as a good choice for Groupie Doll, a popular sprinting mare. I used TrueNicks, pedigrees, body type, the Stallion Register, equineline, conformation and progeny records to help me find suitable stallions. I considered the stallions Posse, Discreet Cat, Shackleford, Bellamy Road, Mineshaft and Quality Road. Now it’s your turn - who do you think Groupie Doll would fit well?


Analyzed by Colin K. / Cocoa2 


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The Groupie Doll camp have chosen Tapit
Eddington has been demoted after his deportation to California and becomes #5, boosting Tapit to #4.
TrueNicks F, the Silver Deputy / Posse inbreeding is something to watch. No major winners off the cross, even though I would like to see it.
Sprinter to sprinter ... How about Kodiak Kowboy?
They use graded level and sales prices I think. When one scrolls down on a report that's the statistics given
Thanks, Cocoa. I'll go check it out. I'm familiar with breeding nicks, but I wonder what they use as the metric to determine success grade on their website. They have to use something that gauges progeny with similar breeding? Earnings perhaps?
TrueNicks gives the letter grades. (truenicks.com) Their formula is based off pedigree completely. No regard for conformation, and the rest. They try to find nicks, lines that cross well with eachother. the theory of nicks is an old one.
What is the program that generates the matchup potential? Does anyone know how the algorithm works? I assume there is a crazy database somewhere.
Marcello, just picking successful horses does nothing. Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro, successful or not, are not good fits. We are picking a stallion for GROUPIE DOLL. Therefore we are matchmaking. Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro do not suit her at all.
How many Gr 1 winners, or Group winners do my list of sires have to sire in order for you to wake up and see the light. My list of sires have sired Classic winners, Breeders cup winners, Multiple GR1, and Group winners.....keep yapping .
I believe Midnight Lute would be on of the best choices for Groupie Doll.
Cocoa- where have you been?. DO you even know what you are talking about?. With comments like yours you would think you started in this sport yesterday. Do you have ANY idea how succesfull Elusive Quality, Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro has been at stud?......learn something. Bullet train is simply judging off his pedigree, which is top notch.
yeah thats what i thought. i like Elusive Quality. Groupie Doll is also rated an A++ with Smarty Jones. that could be a nice possibility.
yeah thats what i thought. i like Elusive Quality. Groupie Doll is also rated an A++ with Smarty Jones. that could be a nice possibility.
No, he isn't. That's why Elusive Quality, then Midnight Lute, then Eddington, then Tapit and then Uncle Mo would be my breeding order. If you remember, proven means the horse has babies that have raced.
is Uncle Mo proven? because i'm really not sure.
Shackleford is a tall, lean, Forestry/Unbridled stallion who is unproven. His size scares me. With a mare like Groupie Doll you want something proven, and he isn't. There is really little upside about him. He didn't have amazing blinding speed, just the ability to stay in front long enough to win. I loved him as a racehorse, but his value as a sire and match for Groupie Doll is minimal
what about Shackleford? hes rated a C+.
Those are all sucky horses for Groupie Doll. Uncle Mo's my top choice.
Ghostzapper, Awesome Again., Lonhro, and Bullet Train could not be worse choices. Please do not just list the names of successful horses.

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