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I see there are talks about Arrogate's size and his date with Songbird. There are a few discrepancies about his size, maybe somebody can clear this up. There were comments that Arrogate was 16.3 hands last year. Earlier this year, Baffert said Arrogate grew some more after that. But now Juddmonte farm lists Arrogate at 16.2 1/2 hands. Somebody here must be making up numbers...
I'VE liked this horse ever since his desperate lunge nipped Frosted in the Woodward. A Ghostzapper son from the Jenkins barn, I put him next to Collected, just behind Gunrunner. If he isn't gelded, though, I don't understand why they didn't retire him either. Maybe they're prepping him for Dubai, to get another MAJOR win in his portfolio before standing him at stud? He's a game horse who likes the distance.
Great win for Lad bravely racing in between horses to break his maiden on the Delmar turf. He stalked well before making a big stretch run.
I like Wyeth here, great price!
So, 3 more years and, I guarantee, American Pharoah will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Why would a Triple Crown winner NOT be inducted into the Hall of Fame as soon as he's qualified to?
G1 winner Time and Motion has been retired from racing, no breeding plans as of yet, according to the connections.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/224850/songbird-to-be-bred-to-arrogate-in-2018 Imo Arrogate was not the best choice for her first pairing. I understand Pope wants what is fashionable and exciting that she can brag about, but with how big Arrogate is, him being unproven as a sore, and their C rating, I would not have chosen him first. If something goes wrong like with royal delta or Rachel Alexandria- they may only be left with another cozmic one on their hands. I would not take that risk with a horse like songbird. Praying for a healthy and safe delivery and that Mom and baby will be sound. That foal will be trending on Twitter with that first photo!
Forgive my ignorance on this, but are there any tracks outside of North America (besides Meydan in Dubai) that have G1 dirt races?
"I won't retire until that baby runs!" - Mike Smith on the future mating of Songbird and Arrogate
I can't believe that 2 Pioneer of the Nile'sare wearing the dark blue. Such an ugly, plain, jockey silk. Change the silks Magnier!
I personally think that Arrogate with Songbird is a bad move by Songbird's owners, to breed to a horse that gave up. You never know what could happen, but I think AP or Tapit would have been better options for Songbird.
  • ericr2 via Disqus · I wonder if they are breeding to him more for the Unbridled's Song lineage than specifically for Arrogate himself. · 8 hours ago
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Arrogate was a very good horse..Most of his fans have "hated" Chrome before Arrogate even got started..And were/still are all over the forums taking shots at Chrome and calling him "overrated" and talking about how all the horses performed after Chrome beat them..Yet when Arrogate faced Chrome it was decided at the "wire"..Arrogate and Chrome are separated by a "neck" ..So if Arrogate was this GREAT horse and Chrome was some "overrated" horse whose victims did not flatter Chrome after he beat them..Well thats makes Arrogate not that GREAT and "overrated" considering the "neck" difference between them in the Classic..(The ignorant will always bring up the Pegasus where Chrome was not the same and finished "last")...Final Analysis as proved on the track: Arrogate was only 1 desperate "neck" better than Chrome...(nobody wants to hear what baffert the ego maniac clown has to say..Just look how he was potrayed in the 50-1 movie..Like the ego maniac clown that he is)....
  • Rideonruffian via Disqus · Shh! You aren't allowed to point out things like this! · 16 hours ago
  • Ferrisjso26 · If you were on these forums often from 2014-2016 you'd understand. Not saying I agree with their actions because I ultimately found the Chromies and the "Arrogate for GOAT" gang to be very different and unique brands of horrible but I'm saying if you think the Chromie era you'd understand their desire to rub it in. · 15 hours ago
Let's look at the validity (or "franking") of the the winning forms of some of the famous horses by looking at how well the horses finishing second to them did against other horses in their next 2-3 starts (preferably within a few months after facing these famous horses). 1) Arrogate in 2017: He beat Shaman Ghost in the Pegasus, and Shaman Ghost validated Arrogate's winning form by winning 2 of his next 3 stake races (including a G1). He beat Gun Runner in the 2017 DWC and GR has been undefeated since. 2) California Chrome in 2014 and 2016 (in 2015 Chrome was winless): In the 2014 TC races, he beat Commanding Curve in the Kentucky Derby and Ride On Curlin in the Preakness. Both of these horses never won again against stakes company after those TC races. In 2016, he beat Mubtaahij in the DWC and Mubtaahij went on to lose his next 3 races (and kept on losing until recently). He beat Dortmund in the San Diego Handicap and Awesome Again, and Dortmund never wins again after that even when he's not racing against Chrome. He beat Beholder in the Pacific Classic and Beholder went back to the distaff.
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  • togahombre via Disqus · using your method bayern belongs in the hall of fame before california chrome and accelerate should've smoked the bc dirt mile field, your about as good at sorting them out after the race as you are picking them before · 17 hours ago
  • joe rifkin via Disqus · Chrome runs 2nd in the Dubai..Comes right back with 6 straight wins. Chrome runs 2nd in the Classic..Chrome comes right back and wins the Winter Challenge by a mile..Arrogate loses in the San Diego..Comes right back and loses and gets trounced in his next 2 races and hangs his career up already..Some horses just have no "heart"..Arrogate falls into this category..Painful as that is...Even some "fillys" & "mares" have more heart than Arrogate..Should be a "gelding" cause he has no balls.. · 15 hours ago
Songbird and Arrogate💖
Arrogate was a very good horse..Most of his fans have "hated" Chrome before Arrogate even got started..And were/still are all over the forums taking shots at Chrome and calling him "overrated" and talking about how all the horses performed after Chrome beat them..Yet when Arrogate faced Chrome it was decided at the "wire"..Arrogate and Chrome are separated by a "neck" ..So if Arrogate was this GREAT horse and Chrome was some "overrated" horse whose victims did not flatter Chrome after he beat them..Well thats makes Arrogate not that GREAT and "overrated" considering the "neck" difference between them in the Classic..(The ignorant will always bring up the Pegasus where Chrome was not the same and finished "last")...Final Analysis as proved on the track: Arrogate was only 1 desperate "neck" better than Chrome...
  • BeastBob via Disqus · joe rifkin • 17 minutes ago "Arrogate was a very good horse..Most of his fans have "hated" Chrome before Arrogate even got started..And were/still are all over the forums taking shots at Chrome and calling him "overrated" and talking about how all the horses performed after Chrome beat them..Yet when Arrogate faced Chrome it was decided at the "wire"..Arrogate and Chrome are separated by a "neck" ..So if Arrogate was this GREAT horse and Chrome was some "overrated" horse whose victims did not flatter Chrome after he beat them..Well thats makes Arrogate not that GREAT and "overrated" considering the "neck" difference between them in the Classic..(The ignorant will always bring up the Pegasus where Chrome was not the same and finished "last")...Final Analysis as proved on the track: Arrogate was only 1 desperate "neck" better than Chrome...(nobody wants to hear what baffert the ego maniac clown has to say..Just look how he was potrayed in the 50-1 movie..Like the ego maniac clown that he is)" Hmm... See my comment above!!! · 17 hours ago
One of the most well bred on the Derby Trail.
Hats off to WAR STORY: I just wanted to congratulate the team behind this gelding from Honest and True. In the deep stretch of the biggest race of all, SURPRISE! there he was, breathing down West Coasts neck, closing...a couple more strides, he'd a had him for sure, and if they'd run 12 furlongs that day, he just might have had them all. I sure hope he gets the superstar treatment he deserves from Looch racing,it was a gutsy effort. i'm looking forward to seeing him defend in the 2018 brooklyn handicap at 6, and hope he runs well enough to enter next years breeders cup marathon! He showed his class,competitive with the top 5 Classic horses in the world, in the biggest race of all...he belonged.
  • Rideonruffian via Disqus · I just wish he had a different trainer. · 16 hours ago
Quote.... "more easier in this sport?" you have to be kidding with that statement. Comparative words have a certain order of use. you know like good better best?
Wow....I just realized BC juvenile turf sprint winner Declarationofpeace is out of Serena's Cat. That's 4 graded stakes winnets by 3 different sires. Amazing.
  • US Army Ranger via Disqus · Truly is I hope they really consider the American route · 19 hours ago

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Brian has been a passionate fan of horse racing his entire life. Taken to the races at a very young age, he has been lucky enough to see all the greats in person from Secretariat, Forego, and Ruffian through Rachel Alexandra, Zenyatta, and American Pharoah. Before coming to the Nation, Brian displayed his love for the sport through the development of his horse racing website, which quickly became one of the most popular blogs in the game. 

  
The Editor of Horse Racing Nation from 2010-2017, Brian authored a daily column as Zipse at the Track, or ZATT for short, and added his editorial flare to the overall content of the website. Now a Senior Writer for HRN, Brian continues to contribute his thoughts on racing, as well as co-hosting the popular racing show, HorseCenter. A big supporter of thoroughbred aftercare, he serves as the President of The Exceller Fund.


Brian's work has also been published on several leading industry sites. He has consulted for leading contest site Derby Wars, is both a Hall of Fame and NTRA poll voter, and is a Vox Populi committee member. 

  
A horse owner and graduate of DePaul University, Brian lives just outside of Louisville with his wife Candice and daughter Kendra.

  

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