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Bid was Versatile and would have beaten Secretariat at a nice handful of distances. Bid vs Secretariat...1 1/4..No contest..Bid wins for fun. Bid was MUCH better at 2. Not sure who Secretariat ran against besides Sham..Riva Ridge? Secretariat fans are fanatical..They dont want to hear "anything" about another horse. Easy Goer"...Most impressive 2-3 yr old season of all time..........all quotes today by the genius.
Per Andy Scoggin. Vino Rosso headed to the Smooth Air Stakes at Gulfstream
Spectacular Bid beats Secretariat at "every single" distance except the 1 1/2
Won a maiden 1 1/8 race against a colt out of Tapit and is a half brother to Mucho Macho Man. Great race for Biblical, he was always on the outside and it looks like he has a long stride.
Alysheba had so much trouble with Cryproclearance..As he got older he started to get the best of Crypto..Easy Goer at the tender age of 3 was completely burying and humiliating Cryptoclearance every single time they met
Secretariat lost 3 out of his last 8 dirt starts...Lost to "Angle Light".."Onion"..Prove Out"...He also lost 2 out of his next 3 dirt starts after the TC...Some of these inferior horses beat him "Handily" also..But hey its "Secretariat" so he gets "Excuses"...Other horses do NOT!..1 excuse would be "Even in his losses he would have beaten so and so due to the Raw Time of race"..Meanwhile some horses who have faster times than another on paper, Both these horses have faced a familiar foe on "multiple occasions, Yet the horse with the slower times on paper "buries" this familiar horse by a "pole" every time they ever met, Yet the horse with better raw times on paper gets "buried" by this same familiar foe every other time they face eachother...(Spectacular Bid didnt lose to the Onions.Prove Outs,Angle Lights...He lost to "Affirmed"..1 time..by 1/2 length)..Secretariat was a GREAT horse whom has become overrated due to the "Belmont" and the media and his fans..
This highly touted Invincible Spirit half-brother to Dabirsim was unplaced in his only start before an accident brought his career to an end. He has been acquired to stand at Haras De la Barbottière for €1,200.
Will start shuttling to Gestüt Karlshof in Germany for 2018. He will join the father and son duo of Samum and Kamsin there. His fee at Karlshof has been set at €6,500.
Has been retired and will stand at Tally-Ho Stud for €6,000 in 2018.
Has been retired and will be joining the Dalham Hall Stud roster in February. His fee has been set at £10,000.
By the way isn't this page dedicated to GR? lol
BREAKING: Grade 3 winner Ocean Knight has been retired from racing and will enter stud at Get Away Farm in Lowell, Fla., for the 2018 breeding season. A fee is still to be determined.
Has been retired.. no stud plans reached yet
Smarty Jones could have been the greatest ever!! Had he won the Belmont horse had tremendous heart but IMO Citation was the best ever!
Secretariat was a GREAT horse..But it is fair to say that the "Belmont" (1 race) made him the "GOAT" in most minds....Who faced better horses as a 2 yr old..Bid or Secretariat?..Did secretariat race in any Graded stakes at age 2?..Bid was winning multiple Grade 1s at age 2 along with other Grades stakes i believe..The TC was magical for Secretariat at age 3..But he did lose the Woodward/Whitney/Gold Cup (Should have beaten those horses)..The TC does not mean EVERYTHING to me..ill take a loss to "Affirmed" over a loss to "Onion". Any horse in history have a better year at age 4 than Bid?...Secretariat didnt even run at 4..Bid was a champion every year he ran...But hey its all about the TC to most ..People just simply are too emotionally attatched to Secretariat to debate..Dont worry Bid i have your back
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  • Ferrisjso26 · Also if three year old Secretariat= or comes close to = older Bid, that means Secretariat's better. Secretariat at three obliterates Bid at three by almost every numerical standard. · 6 hours ago
  • US Army Ranger via Disqus · I only wish that these horse’s were still living God knows there in a better place but Mann I wish we had a living GOAT · 6 hours ago
A good looking horse. Runaway Ghost just won the Golden Nugget Stakes (6F) at Golden Gate on November 11th by 7 and 1/2 lengths.
OK, I posted this question earlier this year, but with some new posters and the further achievments of a particular horse, I want to see what the response is: The best horse (worldwide) so far in the 21st century is: a) Winx b) Black Caviar c) Frankel d) Zarkava (undefeated Arc winner) e) American Pharoah f) Zenyatta g) Other (name that horse)
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  • Always.dreaming · I don't want to sound sexist, but I think American Pharoah and Frankel are far clear of any other horses worldwide 21st century. · 10 hours ago
  • joe rifkin via Disqus · Point Given or Ghostzapper....(Surprised no one said Chrome) · 7 hours ago
Only the most delusional fan claims this horse would have won the TC...
  • Always.dreaming · He probably would not have won all 3, but he is certainly a better horse than California Chrome. · 10 hours ago
  • US Army Ranger via Disqus · Would have won the Kentucky Derby · 8 hours ago
Did Secretariat ever even venture further than Chicago?..He also wasnt very good vs older horses on dirt that i remember..Not sure who Secretariat ran against besides Sham..Riva Ridge?..Would have liked to seen Secretariat face someone like Forego..Atleast Bid traveled to the West and everywhere else..Spectacular Bid was undefeated at 7f to 10f i think..Besides the two 12f races he would have been undefeated in "22" starts in Grades Stakes races..And all over the Map too..Bid went everywhere..Secretariat not really..How many records does Bid hold?..Spectacular Bid should never be out of the debate as the best of "All Time"..
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  • Cha We via Disqus · I personally think because Bid came after Secretariat that he is shamefully overlooked as one of the top 5 best horses ever. I agree with John Nerud that Secretariat is overrated because he is so popular. He was a beautiful horse, but his fans are as bad as, well, nevermind. I think the "beating Swaps world record" for 1 5/8 "eased up" in the Belmont is just a farce. The fact Secretariat ran a great Belmont doesn't seem to be enough. He was ridden out in the end, so "eased", if he had to be ridden out for the record for 1 1/2, then, what about a race at 1 5/8, oh that's right, The Canadian International slower than Man O' War's time for the same distance. Such is facts and truth and favorite horses! · 7 hours ago
  • Ferrisjso26 · News flash there was a time when California was less not more important to the sport than the East. Should I be going after today's California horses for not going East? · 7 hours ago
Ramses Barrows, two year old Colt by Curlin winning in Japan on November 14th! Looking very good! Here's the replay! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0qmOT-fOc
  • Mark Kennedy via Disqus · Thanks for posting the race posted about him on Curlins page too · 7 hours ago

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