You miss my point. In the '20s, the best horses lay in the hands of the best breeders and the percentage of well bred horses was higher in the crop, likely some 80%. As the sport's popularity increased, the foal crop increased as well but the percent quality of the foal crop decreased because the amount of quality horses defined by good pedigrees stayed constant due to the original breeders maintaining or liquidating but being replaced by new breeders. Therefore, of Big Cy's crop, or the Count's, there were the same horses with greatness potential. Really, until the end of the 50's/early 60's, this was equal.
Erosion of sire lines? I'll let that one slide because I'm not in a lecture giving mood. One word: Hat Trick.
Originally you did not say historical note. However, your opinion is just that - there is no evidence. What was Man O' War to do? Take a time machine to the epitome of foal crops and take on all comers? The horse took on all in his crop and the best of those preceding him but Exterminator, and if 5 lbs made a difference to Exterminator, than Exerminator just wasn't good enough to get close to Man O' War.
Even if Riddle did protect the horse's legacy, what is so shameful about that? Was not the same done with Zenyatta, and will it not be done with American Pharoah? And how does this conflict with his greatness? Though the horse tried and did get free once, he could not have broken free from Faraway Farm and found his way to the Kentucky Assoc. Track or Latonia to run in a stakes...
The horse's record is the owner's record. What matters is what the horse did inside of his owner's choices, and this horse just about did as much as a horse could do.
If that is so about the KY Derby, then Riddle wasn't ducking the Derby, and therefore your Derby argument is invalid...
If you put Dr. Fager up against all horses and ran them on separate tracks and we will say all are at Belmont on a straightaway, all at equal weight, at the form they had at their best performance, I would say that Dr. Fager would lead until the 11f mark, whereupon Man O' War would lead until the 14f mark, and Secretariat from there to eternity. Secretariat was a plodder, his cruising speed was just so high that he could fire those 24 sec. quarters long enough to get 2:24 in the Belmont
Some major flaws in your argument. How did Man O' War run the least when he ran 21 times, equal to the number of times Secretariat ran?
Barely over 1,000 foals born in 1917? 1680 to be exact, which is closer to barely under 2,000. That's not to mention the fact that those horses were better bred as a whole than our modern horses because the horses who ran in $500 claimers in Texas weren't registered.
Even if he beat Sir Barton with very favorable conditions, doing it in 7 lengths under wraps while setting a record has to count for something. Avenging his loss to Upset? Man O' War had already beaten Upset handily in his previous start. Man O' War took in a spit out Captain Alcock three times, who in his own right was a Suburban winner as well as Paul Jones, who won the Kentucky Derby and Suburban, Blazes who beat Exterminator in the Excelisor, Cleopatra who took the Champagne, CCA Oaks and Alabama, Wildair who won the Met Mile, Constancy who was the champion 2yo filly that year, and that is only a few horses and their accomplishments.
Riddle did not keep him out of the Kentucky Derby to avoid risk - if so he would never have entered War Admiral. Rather, Riddle considered Kentucky the West, as did many other great horsemen of the time. It was looked down upon as a series of bush tracks, while the major racing was in New York and Maryland. The Derby was just starting to come around. Regardless, he beat the winner and runner ups handily.
Exterminator was invited to the Kenilworth Park Gold Cup but declined due to the conditions.
Man O' War did not dodge 135 lbs - the horse had already given up 12lbs by his third race and carried 130 by his fourth. In fact, he carried 138 lbs in his penultimate start. Vosburgh told Riddle he would make Man O' War carry a weight no horse had ever had to carry before. This is attributed as being 150 lbs. Roseben, who died a year or so after Man O' War was born, carried 145.
The beauty of Man O' War is that everything he did, he did it easily. He was extended only once and it was not even more than 6 panels. We see a horse who was so much better than his competition that he could run only against the clock - and he beat it with 2 world records and 7 track records, not to mention all the american records, some of which stand today even with faster tracks, lighter shoes, better technique, higher quality feed, improved stabling... In my mind the horse is second only to the fastest horse ever, Dr. Fager.
Whitney/Travers... didn't Easy Goer do that?
fix it yourself
I do not have their emails and only a few of their names, but I will notify them of your email and they will send that themselves.
I do not think we've met, but I'll thank you for the work you've done. I loved the 2011 Norman Hall Stakes, was a big Dreamed a Dream fan.
word of the night is fortunate... he's leaving!
4 weeks is no layoff
Bayern, Coil, and OTHERS???
Man O' War, Gallant Fox, and Secretariat are some nice others. :P
Whitney > Woodward/JCGC > BCC
If he runs in Dubai, he commits to a whole third year of racing.
And Espinoza ruins any chance of the deal not being obtrusive before he even got back in front of the grandstands witht he horse
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