While there were definitely those who thought that Colin or Domino were more deserving of the GOAT title, I don't know if I can see completely eye to eye on your position of lists. I think the lists serve the important function of making sure that earlier horses are not forgotten. Any discussion here that incites the creation lists is bound to end up with at least one horse being mentioned that was forgotten.
Horse racing has one of the strongest connections to history out of any sport, and with such short careers and such an emphasis on individual talent, I think the harm of lists is being exaggerated.
A good point in the end though: we can only judge these horses based on what they did and could do.
The quotes from Smith are quite hilarious. Just ride him like Zenyatta, yeah, no big deal... What a treat to be able to watch Arrogate today.
Management ran it into the ground. Just as long as it's not in Brockton...
Interesting article on training methods
Great quote. The Jones family changed racing in an Auerbach/Belichik kind of way.
If you're going to assign rankings to races, Man O'War won at least 10 G1's.
Let's get this out of the way: no 3yo season will ever compare with Citation's. And if he really never was the same after Tanforan, it's hard to imagine how he could've been better, as with Man O'War. The thing about the Big Cy was his consistency and durability, though, not his excessive class (not to say he lacked it... he beat all the greats, but not to the extent that Man O'War did, pulled up setting records.) I would argue Man O'War was better at two.
Great question on if his running for the million hurt his legacy. I think it definitely cemented him in history as one of the great handicap and cup horses of all time, but you may be very right that it hurt his image as anything more than a plodder.
The Joneses began the craze for the 4f work because they thought it made as much sense to work a horse out hard as it did to race him. A different era, clearly... if only they had walked Man O'War, Secretariat, Dr. Fager, or Kelso off the train so we could compare them...
I don't know if they'll put him on Arrogate any time soon, but I can't think he would ever take more than he could handle, literally.
Good to have him back... unbelievable he's still going.
Horse could be limping into it, we've seen that before.
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