Derby Doc, tell me there was a ridiculous track variant today so I can try to make some sense of this.
I take it you don't know Ferris very well! :)
Sure he does. Forget about the Classic. All he needs to do is finish ahead of Frosted and he's on hallowed ground!...
I believe be082 was sincere in his departure. As for Rutherford, no way in h*ll could he disguise his writing style.
Also historically 3 or 4 horses in more than 120 years of racing.
Personally I still wouldn't rank him above Bid even without Bid's 4yo season. Not on sheer ability or by race record. But yeah, one of the many 'what if's' that is so much a part of the sport.
Then it is fair. I can't think of any horse who had a better 3yo season, can you? But there's nothing else to compare other than Pharoah's 3yo season. I would equate the BCC to races like the JCGC back then. But that would still only be one race with the main competition being 3yo's he had already beaten. But such is fate. We could be having a whole different conversation if Beholder and Liam's Map had not scratched. He may have duked it out with LM then put him away or we could have seen a Travers replay. Again, not his fault, but reasonable question marks nonetheless.
Euphoria does wear off. Spectacular Bid was nothing a few years after he retired compared to the legendary status he has today. The only reason I say Pharoah had something left to prove is because of where some place him on the list of the greatest thoroughbreds. And because I have seen defining signature races far more impressive than anything he ever did. For example, you said Bid lost his two 1 1/2 mi races and that the horses that beat him were slower than Pharoah. But did you know that Affirmed and Bid ran in the 4-5 paths around every turn because the rail was dead? How much faster do you think that 2:27 2/5 final time would have been with inside trips. The horse that beat Bid in the Belmont was no slouch either. Neither were horses like Flying Paster or General Assembly. But did anyone need to scrutinize their performances to prove how good Bid was? Coastal had won the Peter Pan by 13 lengths and took that dead rail at the top of the stretch in the Gold Cup and ran with Bid and Affirmed to the finish line. Care to see what real pace pressure is? Not the 1/2 mi Travers variety, but the mile and a half kind. Count how many times Bid made a run at Affirmed, with Affirmed pulling away each time and listen to the commentary. The Fla Derby needs no introduction and speaks for itself. Perhaps not on your list, but there is more Pharoah could have done that would put him higher on the majority of lists.
True, there was. And I stated last year that once the euphoria wore off that a lot would have to come back to reality. It's one thing to witness greatness, another to put it into perspective. It would have to stand the test of time. By the end of last year I knew he had his place, not just for being a TC winner, but also for being the 1st to have the opportunity to run in and actually win the BCC. But there were too many unanswered questions to place him above horses who had proven themselves in ways he had not. Still one of the best 3yo's I have ever seen. But no Secretariat. And without a 4yo season to cement his place in history, nitpicking arguments like these, looking for any scrap of statistics from horses he raced against that could move him up is what results. I saw this coming, and it's why I couldn't - wouldn't let myself - get behind Pharoah. I never saw the defining race I was looking for. A race that probably exists in another dimension where Pharoah actually did have a 4yo season. But we'll never know!!!...
I know. But 1 loss means nothing to Ferris if you remember his comments after the San Diego and DWC. So after the Classic Frosted will be added to the twice beaten list.
Copyright © 2010 -
other passionate horse racing fans!