Perhaps you're right. But even so, most horses returning from Dubai have not fared as well, which is what I said. The 5 lbs is no different than bringing up Dortmund's quarter cracks. If there was any issue whatsoever with them we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. I'm also curious to know how and by whom will 100% fitness be determined. Especially when other horses factor into the race.
1 - zip!...
Smitty said she came back tired though. Likely for the 1st time in her life. Should benefit from it.
Thank you Ma'am!
lol...He's as bad as Bob!
Fact is, like Songbird's CC, this is as close as you're likely to get to a match race today. Two horses running 1-2 from start to finish lengths in front of the rest. I'll ignore what the trainers say and believe what I saw. Two horses who ran as good or better than their lifetime best. No excuses.
Chrome - 1
Dortmund - zip
He was also coming off not just a race, but the DWC. A race from which very few horses have returned in top form 1st time back.
Don't know if it was mentioned after the DWC, but I heard for the first time on the TVG broadcast before the race that by the time Chrome had reached the finish line in the Cup his saddle had slipped so far back it was almost on his flank. Which basically meant that Espinoza had little to do with his margin of victory since he couldn't really scrub on him. There's no way Dortmund was going to find more than Chrome yesterday, even at 100%
What a roller coaster ride this horse has been for Artie!!!...
I was thinking closer to 88.65%.
But only Bob's fit-o-meter could tell for sure.
Yeah, I think just having favorites is the way to go. Personally, with the great horses I saw in the '70's, I never had to point to any horse they beat who came back and ran a good race as proof of how great they were. There was no
need to, they were just so beyond that. After the Belmont, I posted that Pharoah put himself in the conversation to be considered one of the all time greats and that I wouldn't argue with anyone who thought he was as good as those horses were - AS 3YO's, but not better. I still stand by that. Who he ran against isn't enough to cross that line, neither is trying to discredit what they accomplished as older horses just to move him up the list. You're probably the most level-headed fan he's got on this site.
Don't know where your reply below went to, J. But yeah, I think just having favorites is the way to go. You're probably the most level-headed fan he's got on here.
Sometimes I wish horse racing was like other sports, where you don't get to choose who you play against. I can think of more highly anticipated match-ups that never happened than ones that did. Beholder and Liam in the Classic would have been a great one, there's little doubt that both would have shown up. Not so with horses like Honor Code and Tonalist I think. But you're right. I don't think great 3yo's in this era will ever have the opportunity to achieve the status and accomplish what those horses did in the '70's.
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