I get the knock about Songbird's slow times, but I don't believe she is all that fast to begin with. Her sire was doggedly persistent, but not blazingly fast; and she certainly has that much going for her as she proved in her 1st gut check in the CC. Smith said CM's challenge made her more aggressive. This is what the best horses do. Not have the good day/bad day excuses that seem so prevalent lately. So mainly I would say she needs better competition, faster paces, etc, to hit the high numbers.
Whatever you think of her though, it's reasonable to conclude that from the 2 back to back races yesterday with almost identical fractions that she would easily have put the males away, which included the Derby/Preakness winners and runner ups. While that may still not be saying much, it's saying something considering we haven't see her all out yet.
All of her figures/ratings are with the acknowledgment that 'she could have gone faster'. How much faster, hopefully we will find out in the Distaff, and perhaps regret not seeing her in the Classic. Go D'oro!...
I don't believe she's all that fast to begin with. Her sire was doggedly persistent but not all that fast. Mainly I would say she needs better competition, faster paces, etc, to hit the high numbers. Whatever you think of her though, it's reasonable to conclude that from the 2 back to back races yesterday with almost identical fractions that she would easily have put the males away. And that's saying something.
As it turned out, Victor is still lucky that the saddle slipped to the rear and not forward as it did in Affirmed's case. Moving backwards he could not scrub on Chrome effectively. Fortunately though, Chrome was much the best and he didn't need to. But having no restraint over him going 1 1/4 mi and things may not have worked out as well as they did.
You know, I know you're not BeastBob. But there are a lot of similarities in your arguments. You both proceed from the premise that the 'standard' your arguments are based on is the correct - if not only one. As sczen50 said, you're not talking about a jockey who sat on these horses just a few times. Espinoza was their regular rider from the beginning of their development throughout their careers. If you imagine that relationship from a human standpoint, are you telling me that if you were a parent who raised teenagers to adulthood you would be a poor judge of who they were, of their strengths and their weaknesses?
Have you ever rode a horse Ferris? Do you have any idea why trainers are interested in a jock's "opinion" after he works a horse or after a race? Is it because they are the "worse judges for rating horses"? The fact is that they know things no one else can possibly know. They are sitting on living breathing animals, and the best ones know how easy they are running. Whether they are laboring or struggling. Why did Smith pull up Shared Belief in the CTC? Don't you think a jockey knows when their horse is not right? Espinoza has nothing to gain or lose by saying which horse he thinks is best.
No matter what, you could not get Castellano to say who the best horse he rode was. By the stats the obvious answer would be Ghostzapper. But he will not commit to saying he was better than Bernardini. Is it his opinion? Of course it is. But you can't dismiss it as being nonsense because you disagree. That is just being arrogant.
I agree. There is no will to win, to overcome - no heart.
It's just a job to him and if it's one he doesn't like...
Nope. What you are talking about was the 2nd incident with TONY a few jumps out of the gate. As I said, at the 1/8th pole TONY was already 2 lengths in front of Shared Belief. Colmus even said he was steadied when Smith yanked back on him as Chrome crossed over.
What don't you understand?
Semantics is your game now?
If you've read anything I've said you would know that the answer is obviously no.
Just as well, don't think I'd want to relive that one anyway:)
All I've done is answer your questions.I won't play your game of putting words in my mouth to mindlessly tell you what you want to hear. So now it's what you "think". That's a whole different story and I have no problem with that.
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