I understand. But it's pointless to argue about who has done more 'so far'. As for the ESPN article, regardless of who wrote it, I'd like to hear an argument against it.
I'm not taking anything away from individual TC races, they do draw the best 3yo's in the country - that are able to run or choose to run, especially the Derby. They just need to be kept in perspective as singular events when it comes to Eclipse voting. The prestige of a race should not be an indication of how good a horse is. Now if Chrome was to win the TC we wouldn't even be having this discussion. It that case it would have been a done deal. But he did not. So prestige aside, the breakdown of what we are talking about here is winning two GI races against some of the best 3yo's - at the time - within two weeks. Also part of a six race win streak, including three GI's and a GII age restricted races. Shared Belief stands at one GI against older horses and one GII. And that is where the body of works stand as of right now. So as ekindly and Sully said, no one is handing out any awards yet. The year is not over. Shared Belief has the opportunity to add two more GI's and Chrome a GI and GII - unless they choose to run after the BC. By the way, Shared Belief's being undefeated is not just his lifetime record. He also has an undefeated 3yo season so far.
lol...It certainly will, but definitely not after just one race!
Just like it didn't for Alydar fans after his first meeting with Affirmed, or for Easy Goer fans after his first meeting with Sunday Silence. But I'd say 2 or 3 dominating victories of one horse over the other ought to settle matters right quick!
Sad to say that you are probably right, California Chrome should and probably will win 3yo honors. Because the historical criteria for Eclipse voting has eroded over the last few years into a popularity contest and not one of accomplishment. Sure, the Derby and Preakness should count for something, but what you are arguing is prestige, not performance. That is obvious in your reference to "Bristol against nascars". It's what the TC races in themselves are, prestige and tradition, each with their own individual coronation. This is why people will know who won those races and not know who Shared Belief is. But that's fine with me. Winning or losing the Eclipse will not change the quality of either horse for better or for worse. These awards are currently meaningless, and are for the "fans" more than the horses. Check out this article if you are new to the sport. It may help - http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/10236208/eclipse-award-voting-flawed
My anticipation for their first meeting will be just that though, a first meeting. I am not expecting any answers as to who is better from a single race, and with what I expect to be a less than 100% Chrome. Next year's campaigns are what will hopefully put things into much clearer perspective.
But I do agree with you that at this point, they are both the best of a weak crop, with Shared Belief about two lengths ahead of Chrome - at least until he shows his Spring form. I'm doubtful that either will attain SuperHorse status by defeating the other or even by winning the BCC this year. Although the potential is there, the numbers simply aren't. But as you said, that could come against real competition. Hope they both live up to expectations!
OK, I see it now.
Peculiar thing, the English language!
Is it reasonable to argue that when people say a horse has 'never been challenged', it is not necessarily a bad thing but possibly a very good thing? You mentioned the Super Horses, and ultimately they are the standard and criteria by which any potentially great horse is judged. I think back to Ghostzapper, and even further back to Bid in their 4 yo campaigns. They were untouchable, and unchallenged by all they faced. So if a horse is said to be 'unchallenged', is it with regard to rivalry or superiority?
I don't know if that makes sense, but maybe you understand what I'm getting at.
If I wanted to hurt you my comments wouldn't last ten seconds on here. But this is not the first time you've cried about things I've said so they must not be too far from the truth. What's far more abundant than guys with thought processes like mine is the plethora of 'talk-alots' like you whose only claim to fame is the slivers of truth buried in the trash piles of their ramblings, and who accuse without a shred of evidence.
Glad to hear the reaffirmation of your conviction. But as I said, the actual amount of your wager against Shared Belief will be proof to you alone of how much of your own BS you really believe.
Fair enough. The way it turned out, I think more important and exciting than the quality of the field he faced in the PC was the new dimension he showed. It should serve him well in the Classic. Thanks for clarifying.
I must say, your confidence in your insight is nothing short of incredible, Tom. Here's to hoping you're not lacking the male parts needed to back it up with everything you own!
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