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rabbits are run by the the same connections, not by two different connections--considering that two of three involved here are the same as were involved in in the wva and that the wva derby resulted in a castrophic tendon injury to the target of the "rabbit' i'd say those with doubts and reservations about the ethics and legality of this desrve better responses than "rabbits" are part of the game, "get over it," when separate connections collude to impact the outcome of a race--not once but twice, i'd say that there is something seriously illegal going on. and if you bet on these races, as the much maligned doc hansen pointed out, you've been had, even if you didn't bet the bsnr. legit rabbits are entered as coupled entries by a single connection. not arranged in back room agreements by different connections. last time i checked, that was called race fixing. not to mention that it unethical to abuse hero of order this way...but who cares, he's just a a horse right?

come on dude! this one's for HOY

when horses can't surive past may, or 5 races, maybe they weren't legitimate grade 1 horses either, just good horses that were milked for everything they had. hansens been running almost monthly since last october--his worst 9f time is almost 5 lengths better than alpha's best 9f time. lots of grade 1 horses get burned out by 22.9 fractions, which is what hansen ran in in the second quarter of the wva derby. why can't you be happy you have a sound horse who's connections a committed to racing not shipping to the shed?

that was refreshing! seems like for since we've seen a racehorse run and win in race horse time

not sure what to make of all of these slow works from hansen--he used to work 5f in 58-59 but not for some time now

it only takes on fraction run in the red zone for a horse to hit the wall--the second fraction was under 23secs--hansen's red line appears to close to 23.5 seconds. whehtehr horse or human, peak performance comes just beneath an individula's red line threshold--if hasnen's is 23.30 for example, he could maintain repeated 23.5 fractions for some time, but one dip below 23.5, and the deeper the dip the more quick and severe the consequences and that does it. if hansen really couldn't get 9f, he would have finished with hero of order, and not by closing out the super, short just one length.

how many of the probable entrants to the travers are proven at 10f? how many of them finished BEHIND hansen in the ky derby--even though hansen tracked the hot fractions and they didn't? how many of them have winning records at 9f? how many are even proven at 9f? here's anohter horse that no one doubts can get 9-4f--acclamation--he didn't win at 9f until his 8th attempt; fort larned, not until his 5th attempt. you guys just make crap up, and then act like what you make has any bearing on reality--as for shack--he is not a sprinter either, his vanderbuilt proved that, the only races he's one under a mile were against closing sprinters, ergo--he didn't have to run against horses who can set 21sec fractions, when he did, he finished up the track dead last. you guys all talk about ruining horses, but if trainers actually listened to you, a lot more horses would be washed up and ruined and out best older male routers, wouldn't be...

that's a lot or racing crammed together in a short amount of time, esp. if the east coast stays in record breaking heat =(

correction of my post--hansen has the fastest time at 9f of all horses pointing to the travers (i included blueskiesnrainbows originally) and his two 9f race times were 2 seconds apart not 3 seconds (sorry on the notes i keep, stealcase was right below him and my eyes slipped).

hey doc, i don't know if hansen can get 10f, most horses today can't (but all races must have a winner), but i do know that too close losses at 9f doesn't mean he can't get 9f--ron the greek has only won 2 out of 9 attempts at 9f, flat out 2 out 8, and game on dude never won past 8.5f as a 3 yo. no one questions that they can get the distance; time-wise, hansen's too losses at 9f ranks as the 2nd best and 8th best times of all horses pointed toward the travers, and the 5th best and 15th best in 3 yo performances over all. even his worst time is half a second better than alpha's winning time in the jim dandy. i'm surprised you guys have never sent him--if that is true, you've taken his weapon away from him from the get go in every race. the only concern i have is that his finishing times in his two attempts were 3 seconds apart--that is troubling--though it could be the heat on wva derby day, and/or the 22.9 second fraction--below 23.5 seems to be his red zone, and any animal performing their red zone, human or horse, will hit the wall immediately--whatever you do, please don't listen to the fools that say your horse is a sprinter--he'll be shack in the vanderbilt if you put him in sprints. good luck!! i'm rooting for the white one to wow them again and shut up his critics!