hearing from who? the same person who told you he was starting in a MSW 10 days ago? also are you implying he's going to start in the san felipe? that's the only 3 yo stake at santa anita in march. an unraced maiden with standardbred work times, who can't change leads properly, and whose pasterns, hoof size, and knee action suggest grass might be better fit, is going to start in the san felipe? good god, i hope you're just FOS.
he is a dead ringer for his grandsire Kris S, even his star. Kris S has really stamped his daughter, vertigeneux's line--you see it in all three generations--her, her daughters, and her grandchildren. here's a side by sideof coz and kris s from when coz was younger: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img855/3667/exc6.jpg , here's two head shots, one coz, one kris s: http://www.nyra.com/assets/5/19/GalleryMainDimensionId/Cozmic_One_8225.jpg , https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9RZSeLSJB8zyLPeD0w0Z-WYLk8GtjcP8U7AYk17iWWD4sdDkyiA i also think he looks a lot like his dam, but smaller. he's 16.2 hands, she's 17.2 hands. bernadini is 16.1 hands, secretariat, mentioned in your post, was 16.2. coz is pretty much standard height. as for whether smaller horses are better--smaller is almost always a disadvantage, one that is often mentioned when a horse has overcome being small--like kelso, ta wee, and even mine that bird.
based on? there are only two long (two turn) MSWs in the current condition book that goes through march 5. one dirt, one turf. both are this sat. the 28th. the only other MSWs in the book are on march 6 & 7, one dirt, one turf, both are short (one turn). Sherriffs has been pretty consistent in saying Cozmic One will start at two turns--which seems wise tbh. based on his works, he doesn't appear to have any early speed, even if it turns out he can close like his dam. also, zenyatta.com hasn't made an announcement--given this is the biggest news for team z since she foaled him, you'd think they'd be eager to share. one last thought--his work on the 19th, was the first after a two week hiatus and he had been working once a week like clock work since early dec. not saying your wrong, but would be nice to know the source.
honest question: if cozmic one were just some random bernadini, starting anywhere but saratoga (bernies have a bizarrely consistent affinity for that track), based on his works would you even take someone seriously for considering him as a derby prospect? take it a little farther: based on his works, if he was a random bernadini starting as an unraced colt in a MSW, would you play him?
if he can belt out 13's all day long, he's got a shot in the belmont...
i say all this rooting for the guy, i'd love nothing more than for him to be the second coming of slew...he's already got the sure-win...maybe if it was orange...
this is certainly true in general, mine that bird and all, but i think it would be a surprise on the magnitude of the parting of the red sea for slow horses to start beating fast horses...after all, slow horses not winning races been has been a pretty consistent trend over the last few thousand years...but i admit, those 100/1 odds are always enticing...kind of like fools gold glittering in the sunshine...
that they should move him to grass
well...he ran 1:14, was 12/17, the average work was 1:13, and his workmate was given 1:13.80...he doesn't have to post bullet works, but you'd like to see him start belting out at least a few works with 12's. 12 second splits aren't that hard to maintain for 5-6 furlongs...6 furlongs in 1:10 or less, now that's a horse of different color.
as i said, secretariat is in none of cozmic one's sire lines--sire lines run sire to sire to sire, damsires in the sire line don't count.
your posts are so odd, that i can't decide if you're trying to be funny or smoking crack or suffering from a stroke.
zozmiz zonez? wtf?
beldame 2013 photo? woosh
ps: i get that you thought it was funny to post how to properly shoot yourself in the head, but it's really just very poor taste, and given recent well publicized accidents like that lady who got shot in the head by her kid, really tone deaf. but kudos for thinking that such insensitive crap is the same as posting that you're sick of hearing empty posts about secretariat being the greatest horse ever and for voicing your opinion that he's actually not the greatest horse ever. cheers
mary, can't say i remember you over at bloodhorse in the shandler hey-days, and i almost never post anything there now, and haven't for years, nor have i ever posted very much here--i doubt i've posted here more than a dozen times ever. but i must say i'm flattered that someone i've never heard of knows me. blushing.
might want to do a little fact check before you call something nonsense while at the same time exposing your ignorance. it is a pretty well known fact that slew was given no respect from the racing community until after he won the belmont, and then he lost it all again a month or so later when he came in dead last in the swaps. in fact he wasn't able to regain any amount of respect until he beat affirmed. there's a great ESPN biopic available in it's entirety for free on youtube--highly recommend it
if you ask jerry brown, he'll tell you that the reason secretariat's times haven't been matched is because the tracks are considerably deeper now, than the asphalt he was running on in the 1970s. in fact, according to jerry's calculations, big red's times wouldn't be very different than the ones today, and certainly no records, due to track depth--and he certainly has a point (go try to run on the beach vs. the side walk).
secretariat certainly is one of the greatest, if not the greatest 3 yo to ever live, but there are many, many horses that he has to vie with for the title of the greatest of all time, and for my money, no horse that doesn't run at least into his 4 yo season, can be the greatest. and while they might disagree with me on how they rank them, there are a lot of people both here and in the wider horse racing community, who wouldn't place him 1st on the list.
as for record times--look at dr. fager's mile and how much weight he was carrying when he did it. look at ta wee's highweight handicap as a 3 yo filly carrying weight against older males, look at her 2nd highweight handicap, again against males, carrying the most weight of the field (140 lbs for a filly barely 15 hands high). look at citation's string of wins and kelso's string of horse of the year awards.
who did big red beat anyway? sham? slew at least beat affirmed. he was great horse, he has a lot of very stiff competition for greatest.
the mina bird secretariat poster's here and elsewhere, know him, and almost none of the other greats. and these repetitive posts contain no information that hasn't been said more than anyone needs to hear for the last 42 years, and often contain nothing but" ZOMG!!!!! BIG RED!!!!!
ps: you need to check the times for the derby and the preakness before you say, no one ever came close to his times. oh and, he doesn't hold the record for a mile and a quarter, that was the bid, and he was a full 2 seconds faster than big red.
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