Exterminator, I am with you in a successful comeback. Dan is a great horse. This type fo surgery usually makes for a slow comeback assuming he heals properly. Doubt he enters the Whitney as indicated on this site.
Ruffian, PM has the speed to win G1 at a Mile and stamina ro win G1 at 1-1/2 miles. It seems PM has the ability to win the Classic so would assume Pm would run in the Classic.
Sullivan, still trying to determine if you are joking or serious. Palace Malice had a break - 3 months. The comment about taking another break after 3 races is silly. The next comment that PM had to "gotten after" could only be suggested by someone who does not understand horses and racing. The jockey held PM back the entire final turn and then released slightly down the stretch. PM took the release and opened up from there. The jockey never used the whip, he showed the whip. PM was never "gotten after."
tmallios1, that should have been less than 7 lengths to WTC.
tmallios1, just so the facts are correct, Palace Malice lost by less thanlengths to WTC in the BC. This conversation will be irrelevant if PM wins the Met Mile. He will join an extremely elite club of very few horses.
tmallios, not a problem. Thanks for the comment.
tmallios1, I appreciate your reply. My apologies for opening you up for negative feedback. Not sure why it seems hard for people to just have a discussion and not nasty but it is what it is. My only comment on your point, I have read several Beyer books and observed the Beyer for many years. The track variant/component is the likely cuplprit. The scenario you describe worked the opposite last year for PM several times. and he received lower Beyers than one would think compared to others.
tmallios, this is where we go in different directions. PM had a long campaign in 2013. Imo, the time off was needed. His time in the mile at Gulfstream and now the 114 show a clear trend of moving up. Is he ready to beat WTC, MMM and Game on Dude today? WTC = yes, now that he had a full tank of gas. The other two, he is getting for them later. I will say it here and you can hold me to it = whenever PM meets MMM, WTC and Game on Dude he will not lose by 5 or more as long as the pilot is A+ = Johhny V. or Mike S. I know you use different speed evaluations, what part of your evaluation leads you to believe the 114 is not legit? A sincere question to understand, not mock or belittle.
tmallios, your comments are not off the mark. PM did not rise to the occassion in the Breeder's Cup and Travers. I am a big fan of PM but you will not hear me making excuses when he loses. Great horses beat other great horses. PM beat some great horses last year but he also lost to some great horses. he is on the right track imo but he still needs some more big wins this year to make him a champion. As far as excuses go, it works both ways. People who are not fans of PM make excuses why he won and that is not exactly being fair. He deserves the credit when he wins a big race just like there should be no excuses when he takes a loss.
tmallios, Golden Ticket 2nd in Breeder's Cup G1 and 2nd Stephen Foster G1. Uncaptured Win Kentucky Jockey Club G2. Normandy invasion 4th Kentucky Derby, 2nd Wood memoral and 2nd Remson. If your definition of G1 caliber is "win" only then you are correct. As you know few win G1's so 2nd place would make them G1 caliber. A G2 win would make the any horse worthy of G2 caliber. Respectfully disagree. PM has raced against some decent company. I could go on with other horses in the past 2 races who have pretty decent success at G1 and G2 level but won't.
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