tmallios, not a problem. Thanks for the comment.
tmallios1, I appreciate your reply. My apologies for opening you up for negative feedback. Not sure why it seems hard for people to just have a discussion and not nasty but it is what it is. My only comment on your point, I have read several Beyer books and observed the Beyer for many years. The track variant/component is the likely cuplprit. The scenario you describe worked the opposite last year for PM several times. and he received lower Beyers than one would think compared to others.
tmallios, this is where we go in different directions. PM had a long campaign in 2013. Imo, the time off was needed. His time in the mile at Gulfstream and now the 114 show a clear trend of moving up. Is he ready to beat WTC, MMM and Game on Dude today? WTC = yes, now that he had a full tank of gas. The other two, he is getting for them later. I will say it here and you can hold me to it = whenever PM meets MMM, WTC and Game on Dude he will not lose by 5 or more as long as the pilot is A+ = Johhny V. or Mike S. I know you use different speed evaluations, what part of your evaluation leads you to believe the 114 is not legit? A sincere question to understand, not mock or belittle.
tmallios, your comments are not off the mark. PM did not rise to the occassion in the Breeder's Cup and Travers. I am a big fan of PM but you will not hear me making excuses when he loses. Great horses beat other great horses. PM beat some great horses last year but he also lost to some great horses. he is on the right track imo but he still needs some more big wins this year to make him a champion. As far as excuses go, it works both ways. People who are not fans of PM make excuses why he won and that is not exactly being fair. He deserves the credit when he wins a big race just like there should be no excuses when he takes a loss.
tmallios, Golden Ticket 2nd in Breeder's Cup G1 and 2nd Stephen Foster G1. Uncaptured Win Kentucky Jockey Club G2. Normandy invasion 4th Kentucky Derby, 2nd Wood memoral and 2nd Remson. If your definition of G1 caliber is "win" only then you are correct. As you know few win G1's so 2nd place would make them G1 caliber. A G2 win would make the any horse worthy of G2 caliber. Respectfully disagree. PM has raced against some decent company. I could go on with other horses in the past 2 races who have pretty decent success at G1 and G2 level but won't.
tmallios1, excellent insight and comments on MMM and WTC. Particularly the wear and tear on WTC which is occuring whether anyone wants to acknowledge it or not. From my perspective, it appears the goal is to get as many races in as possible for WTC before he decides he does not want to run anymore.
tmallios, we agree again = all that matters is the horse. The health and safety of the horse should always be the #1 priority. I hope your insight on Pletcher's goals are accurate and PM is ready to go. As you know, those 3 races will be loaded with talent and there is nothing better than seeing great horses compete against other great horses.
tmallios1, a rare moment = we are of like mind. "Smart Race Management" is a valid and fair description imo. Pletcher is exceptional and he will get PM to as close to his potential as possible when it is all said and done. Not sure if this rare event should frighten both of us or not.
My intent was to not slight any other horse. I used two jsut to illustrate the point PM would not have been dusted by John Henry as Laz suggested. No slight to any horse intended. I am not suggesting PM is better than any of the great horses, I merely pointed out he joined a pretty exclusive list of elite horses last Saturday.
Laz - I get you are not a fan of PM. To discount a 1:33.80 mile and suggest another horse could dust him is a bit out there. Only 2 horses in the elite list have run a sub-1:34.00 mile. Secretariat at 1:33.40 and Forego at 1:33.60. Gain, PM in pretty elite club now. I am ready = here it comes. But the pace, the company, the conditions, etc. Most horses could not run a sub-1:34.00 for a mile under any conditions, no matter pace, etc. They are just not athletic enough to do it. Just like some good track athletes cannot run a sub-1:45 800 meters no matter the conditions and pace, they just don't have the ability to do it. Palace Malice did it and few other great horses have done it. That is now a fact not open to opinion as to how and why becasue he did it.
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