I'm not so sure about Tonalist beating SB in Belmont. After all, Shared Belief did end up beating him in the Classic even with that mess in the gate. I truly think that even though we never had the pleasure of seeing it, Shared Belief at 12f would have been even more of a monster. I miss that guy so much. :)
I agree. And no matter the hatred, as far as I'm concerned, Chrome was one lucky horse in that Shared Belief had foot problems at the time of the Triple Crown races. IMHO, Shared Belief would have been the first to win the TC since Affirmed -- Pharoah would have come after him. I also believe, (while we're at it!) Chrome was lucky that Honor Code wasnt able to be in that gate either! :)
They did the same thing to Shared Belief (with Chrome). Its all pure nonsense. You would think that "fans" would learn that these special and talented horses dont last forever and to enjoy every moment of them while they are alive and on top in their career.
Posts 8-12 going two turns this meet at GP are a combined 0 for 25. I'm on the same page as you.
No disrespect intended, but I dont believe in the "not cranked up" excuse. Art Sherman wanted his HOTY to beat the Great Shared Belief. It would have been a huge feather in his cap. SB much too talented to lose that race. He won gearing down.
Yes, Chrome is great, but I wouldnt use Shared Belief as an example here. He proved himself against Chrome in the San Antonio after his unfair break in the Classic. Unfortunate we lost him before he had his chance against AP.
That stretch run reminded me of Honor Code and Cairo Prince in the 2013 Remsen. And the best won that day too.
I do not put much stake in Non-Chef sires unless they are listed Prominent Non-Chefs who are on their way to consideration and upgrade. I prefer to stick with Listed Chefs, those who have proven to pass down certain attributes, characteristics and optimum distances. I also believe that Shared Belief did not favor the top of his chart. His talent shines from the bottom of his chart.
I appreciate your question and do not take it as rude, so please don't take my answer as rude as well. I do realize that my opinion on this would definitely fall into the minority.
Shared Belief's fourth place in the Classic could be argued for decades. I see it two ways. First, he didn't have a fair break and at one point his head was actually cheek to cheek with Moreno. SB's performance in that race was killer and certainly shows what a monster he was to place where he did. It was his heart that made him push forward in that race, that is something many lack and what sets him apart. He had that will to win and you can see it every race just before the final turn.
You can say, as many do, that SB faced weak competition. I see it as he was incomparable to any that went up against him. He made Stakes winners look cheap. And many of the horses he did beat easily, actually ended up being fairly good horses. No better or worse than AP's competition.
The main thing that makes him stand ahead of AP (in my opinion) is the simple fact that AP was a speed horse and SB was all stamina. AP's most incredible performance was the Belmont Stakes. He simply was not built for 12f and won that race with ease. Any races he won up to 10f was no extra special feat. His pedigree demanded that.
SB's pedigree put his optimum over 12f and the little guy never ran passed 10f. He never ran at his optimum but beat the hell out of his completion from 6f all the way up to 10, most times without urging. He also never had weather play to his advantage. He also never ran on what would have most likely been his preferred surface, Turf.
I can go on and on but like I said before, I am very biased towards Shared Belief and I know that my opinions differ greatly than most. In his short career, with his pedigree, and his spirit and character, I would put SB in the top 20 and believe if he didnt die last Dec 3rd, he would have been his way to crack the top 10.
Hey Buck! Just reading through... As usual, you are correct. John P. actually sired 155 colts and fillies. Don't think that can be done as a gelding! LOL!!
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