It could be weaker, sure, but for me other Arcs have been stronger. I do think it's not that far off from last year's Arc, though. I'm very aware of how much effort it is for a 3yo to win the Arc - I doubt you saw my comment that I was also relieved when they withdrew La Cressonnière because I feel it would be better for her to go next year. I also said I expect Almanzor to go to the Arc next year as well and think it's a very sensible decision that has been made to take them out of it (Minding as well).
I just rate this year's 3yos *very* highly - particularly those three and Harzand. The excitement they had added to the race is gone. I don't disagree with you, actually. I think some of those still in could spring a good surprise and are better than their rating suggests, but that's just me.
It's okay, I totally understood that when I read your reply. I was a little taken aback that you mistook my feelings as meaning I wanted to run Order Of St George in this race so soon after his last valiant effort, but I was more appalled with myself that I'd written something that could have been taken that way. I would never ever ask such a thing of any horse and was thinking in more of a fantasy match up way if that makes any sense.
I was also disappointed that Vazirabad skipped a match at Ascot. I thought it would have been a perfect chance for them to face off. Big Orange is still a wonderful horse, but Vazirabad is my favorite. I'm both a Aga Khan fan and a fan of Monsun's family. :) I love how the long distance division has become so exciting. There are quite a few really good runners this year and I'm hopeful it'll carry on into next year.
It is disappointing for me because I love them and think they would've had a great chance. However, there are still horses I'm a fan of in the race - Harzand (as you mention, who I adore), Zarak (who I also adore and I think I'd be more able to ignore his past form if it were at Longchamp where Zarkava won her Arc), Left Hand, Silverwave (I actually think he has a decent chance).
My main disappointment is that it's clearly a weaker field than what we've come to expect of the Arc - no La Cressonnière, no Minding, no Almanzor. The Japanese runner while deserving of his spot is no Orfevre from what I've seen so far and there's just one Japanese runner. It just feels less like we'd see the race we truly want with the Arc. There's a lot of ppl who feel it's a sure thing for Postponed... I suppose that could be if the race is run his way. I'd actually love to see any of the ones I like win this, including Postponed and any of those I mentioned above.
I know based on past form she doesn't seem like much, but there's still the 3yo filly Left Hand. Dunno if she's good enough for the weight to matter, but she's still in. The Juliet Rose was withdrawn, but she never posed any danger as I don't feel she's strong enough for even this field.
Yeah, I think this comes as no surprise to everyone else. They'd been saying the Champion Stakes was their goal for some time now, and the owners pretty much were in agreement.
I am very familiar with European races and am aware of the status of them all. You don't need to try explaining anything to me - I was aware Order Of St George wasn't going into this race even before I made my comment.
I was merely voicing my disappointment at another missed chance for the two top long-distance horses this year, Order Of St George and Vazirabad, to face off. I've wanted to see them face off badly and I totally feel if I saw them race in the Cadran it'd totally make up for the disappointing Arc. That's how much the prospect of those two running against each other excites me.
This is just kind of a continuation of a prior talk I've had and wasn't meant to be taken literally. Sorry, I honestly didn't think anyone other than ILuvTurf was paying attention to the Prix du Cadran. The long distance races often don't seem to draw much attention on here. :)
Sorry, but Jean Claude Rouget is not Jim Bolger. Jim Bolger's also the guy who debuted Dawn Approach's little sister in a G1 and guess where she placed? LAST! Bolger can make some really good decisions, but he often tends to overshadow those decisions with bad decisions.
I'm not saying it won't happen, but you're telling ppl it will and you think it will based solely on UK bookmakers while the actual connections are basically saying they prefer to play it safe and race him against a field he's largely defeated before. I suspect they're leaving him in to see who else drops out while being trained for going abroad. If they think it starts looking like a good chance, then yeah there's a chance they could decide to go for an Arc winner, but since he'll be racing next year why not just go for the field they feel he has the best chance of beating?
Why do you have all Coolmore horses following that? I mean I kind of understand why you'd say Highland Reel and Found, but I have difficulty imagining Order Of St George doing better here than some of the others. He does better at far longer distances than this.
Good luck! Seriously, I think Postponed surely has a great chance with this.
Yeah. I posted earlier to Almanzor's page, but Sylvain Vidal said earlier today that Almanzor was very unlikely to run in the Arc. I'd be surprised if Rouget runs him - they clearly think 3 weeks is a tad too sharp for him and that he doesn't get the distance so it really looks like Rouget would have to do a total 180 or one of the owners would have to intervene which seems unlikely since Sylvain Vidal works with Almanzor's owner as a racing manager.
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