Doesn't sound like much has happened, then.
Maybe they're hoping he'll get a 2nd or 3rd? I dunno - I'm surprised Coolmore haven't given up the rest of their shares of him to Al Shaqab yet (unless they have and I just didn't notice because I really don't pay attention to ROTW much at all, heh). They've scuppered his chances so many times by being overambitious with the races they put him in instead of giving in and starting him in a GIII where he'll probably get a better chance at a win and going from there. You can only imagine they're doing it to get him a second GI win for his breeding CV.
I'm a little surprised they didn't try to send him to America, tbh. I think it'd be a better idea to try to fit one or two of the American turf GIs in his schedule and if he wins one, maybe have him go to stud duty in the U.S. I think that'd be a better long-term plan for him anyways because I can't see him being very popular in Europe with what all he'll be up against.
I agree. I think they overestimated their filly - she's not a machine. Unfortunately, the owner has been calling the shots with this one and you can tell it's not what John Gosden wanted.
Oh! Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. Yes, it's really tough. That's why I was so upset when they chose to race her in it, but then I felt bad for not wanting her to run when she won. I was very happy for her when she won the King George, and I hope she'll be able to come back from this, but if she doesn't I can't say it'll surprise me. :/
So, are you looking forward to JFK next year, too, ILuvTurf? Tapestry has been the only one of O'Brien's fillies I've really bothered to follow, and I feel like I'll probably be following JFK keenly throughout the years, too.
Oh, I think i could happen to any colt/filly, but I do tend to assume lightly raced ones are more likely to never be the same, y'know? I wasn't trying to say only lightly raced ones could never be the same, just that I tend to fear it happening to them more. :)
Who knows. That was a pretty big race and it wasn't exactly slowly run. I tend to prefer seeing a 3yo given a slow progression rather than being thrown into a race that's difficult for fillies as a 1st race against older horses because I tend to think there's a chance of ruining the filly/colt and of the filly/colt not winning. Especially a lightly raced one like Taghrooda. Hopefully she was just worn out from her last race.
As for Tapestry...well, she is progressive, this much I've thought and I've thought they could've made better decisions with her because she's a better filly than her record shows. But is she good enough to have beaten Taghrooda as she was in the King George? I doubt it. Still, this will look smashing on her breeding CV. Good girl, Tapestry~
Andre Fabre is only one of many different trainers who've trained great German horses. Manduro certainly deserves his spot around the top of that list. Also, I'm still hopeful that he'll become a great sire to follow his father. I like him better than Shirocco at any rate. And of course I'm looking forward to Wild Coco's foals, too.
However, there have been so many, and most racing fans don't really realize how well German runners have done outside of Germany. Of course there are also those runners that didn't live up to expectations, but the same happens everywhere. I don't expect Sea The Moon to be one of those horses that runs in a G1 against other top European runners and winds up 11th... I'd expect him to be in the top 4, although optimistically I'd prefer him to be closer to first. And you don't get top jockeys like Soumillon saying what he did about horses that aren't capable of at least holding their own against the best.
You know now that you've said this I'll have to update the German-bred runners that won, placed and showed in international graded stakes I can get my hands on just so people can see how German runners fare outside of Germany? I was just working on Brigadier Gerard and several others, too, heh...
German racing has a money problem, this does not mean it has a problem with weak runners. Saying stuff like that really just suggests you think German racing is weak despite there being quite a few horses coming from there that are competitive at top level in the UK and France.
I think it's too easy to forget how many very strong runners started out in German races. For instance, did you know that Urban Sea was third in the 1992 German 1,000 Guineas before going on to success in France and the UK? Or that Kazzia won a 2001 maiden in Germany before winning the 2001 Premio Dormello after which she was bought by Godolphin and then proceeded to win the 2002 English 1,000 Guineas, 2002 Epsom Oaks and the 2002 Flower Bowl Invitational? 1975 Eclipse Stakes and Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe winner Star Appeal was originally raced in Germany, but wasn't what I'd call dominant. Novellist lost only twice in his career - in German races to German-bred horses. He's only ever been behind Danedream, Ovambo Queen and Pastorius. Danedream was a bit more erratic, but she still beat Nathaniel and St. Nicholas Abbey in the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes after winning the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe.
And I haven't even touched upon a whole slew of German runners/German breds including Hurricane Run (originally owned and raced by Gestüt Ammerland), Monsun, Manduro, Borgia, Paolini, Schiaparelli, and Pia (bred, owned and raced by Countess Margit von Batthyány, sister of the owner of Gestüt Erlenhof at that time) who won the 1967 Epsom Oaks, 1966 Cherry Hinton Stakes, 1966 Lowther Stakes, and 1967 Park Hill Stakes - among others to race successfully outside of Germany.
I am really looking forward to the races leading up to the Arc this year. Should be very exciting! :)
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