Cocoa i'm sorry you place so much emphasis on trainers that have trained decent stallions, for without the mare the prized stallion wouldn't worth a thing. Especially when you consider what the Jones boys did at calumet with Whirlaway and Citation. Neither of which were very successful at stud, but then they were Triple Crown winners and any trainer can win the Triple Crown!!!
icy never said he didn't cheat, but that there is no record of a training suspension for Mr Laurin. Therefore one can not assume he is guilty without the proof. As for cocoa's proof words from grooms is not proof of "juicing." But then again in today's society a person is guilty until proven innocent.
As for Ms Chenery choosing Lucien, this is incorrect. The original trainer was Roger Laurin, but he was offered another training position and Ms Chenery asked him for suggestions. That suggestion was his father Laurin.
cocoa the only suspension on record for Mr Laurin is in 1938 when he was a jockey because he was found to have a battery. If you can show me proof of a training suspension of "juicing" I'll concede to you.
cocoa you need to do more research on Mr. Laurin and Big Red. As Big Red was proven to be clean as a whistle many times. But then I notice you like to take the negative approach when you comment, along with not doing research.
Zipse, I have never put much stock in the sire, but look at the dames. I wish I could remember where I read about it but the article was reading about how it is the dame that is the biggest influence in how far a horse will run. This kind of goes hand in hand with the X factor being from mares. While I'm impressed by Uncle Mo I do favor Dialed In even though he is lightly raced.
Excellent post Angela. I hope over the years you find many race horses to fall in love with. Having been around horse and followed horses for my whole life, it truly is a wonderous sport. Even though I never seen Man O' War, Seabiscuit, Citation and the list goes on and on, my grandparents would tell me about them and I have tried to read everything I can get my hands on to learn more. Enjoy the "sport of kings"
Hello iThoroughbred.....would just like to say that in all my years of being in horse racing, in one way or another, you will never be able to stop the bickering about RA and Zen. This debate is no different than the bickering that still exists about Man O' War and Secretariat, it's a no win situation. My advise would be to cherish your chosen horse and also appreciate the others. As for me unfortunately there are no substitues or any horse that has come close to reaching the heights of Secretariat/Man O' War. As for RA and Zen both horse have helped to bring racing back into the national spotlight by taking on the males and I applaude both camps for doing this.
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