Gelded, exactly why i said turf "miler." He has won his best races from 8-9f, which is why i said that. Gio Ponti was besta at 10f, English Channel 10f-12f, they were not milers. And when you are a turf miler, he has not been conservatively campaigned. BCM, Shadwell Turf Mile, Woodbine Mile, Woodford Reserve. For a turf miler, that is not conservative by any means. A horse of his talent and potential, yes, but within his division, not in the slightest.
As I said, this list was particularly hard to rank. You could make a case for anyone in the lower half to be higher. Kitten's Joy never ran worse than second, save once. I have two major things, one, he was retired way to soon. Two, his record, while impressive does not feature some of the most important turf races in the nation. On the east, you have the Man O War, United Nations, Arlington Million, Sword Dancer, the Joe Hirsch. He only raced in two of those, only ran in one. To be honest he reminds me of Paddy O Prado, brilliant, so much raw and natrual talent, but didin't race long enough to accumulate the accomplishments of others. I have Acclamation that high because of what he accomplished and how he did it. The horse won by running on the pace, not something always seen in turf racing, and he did it consistently. Yes, he was just in Cali, but he was simply a beast. He won seven in a row, 5 being grade ones. He raced in some of the best races for his division, and not one horse could keep up with him.
Cause, He was retired too soon, and was a brilliant sprinter. I considered him strongly, he just didn't have a chance to accomplish much outside of that one grade one.
Hard for me to say, honestly. What I hate about WTC is he is the one i gave up on. I loved him early on in the year, then he just kept throwing dull effort after dull effort, so i finally said the heck with it, and then boom, he's back on the ball. So, he proved me right, proved me wrong, proved me right, proved me, wrong.... Wise Dan is brilliant, but I hate that he never once tried dirt, or to go 10f or over, even on turf. WTC won some very important races for his division. He owns a win over grade one older males, and barely lost a heart stopper in the Classic. His TC races were the only real races he just didn't show up for no good reason. Outside of that, he only had one bad effort over murky going in the Southwest. I think that with the lack of any real clear leader, his fumbles during the spring can be forgiven, seeing as how he performed extordinarily during the late summer/fall. I'd give him HOTY, but only narrowly.
120 for a highweight......and we wonder why some of our jockeys are so unheathy. I say 125 should be a minimum for any weight.
Again, can we have respect for Brian's work? Everyone on here makes mistakes, spelling or factul every now and then. Enough with "noble toon." We are none perfect and to harp on that is childish and takes away from Brian's blog, so please lets show him, if not anyone else respect, especially after everyone agreed to last night. The winner of the Derby could still be a maiden, or they could have stakes exp. or maybe even be stakes winners. You have had examples of each over the last ten years. Just goes to show that the Derby winner can be any kind. SS was a later developing 2yr old who love CD and distance, but was precocious enough to compete with the best juveniles at 1m or higher. New Years Day, Honor Code and a few others fit this bill. Derby winners are exceptionally tacticle. Orb, could go wherever you wanted, depending on pace. IHA, while able to sit a little closer than Orb, could do just about the same. They have the ability to devestate when they are told to go. Honor Code needs more tacticle speed, as does New Years Day, but sometimes that just needs to be developed. Right now, none of them have anything more to offer than potential, so yes, it is like throwing darts. But, that is part of what makes it fun, trying to guess which horse, out of the dozens will developing into the horse that can win it all.
The last horse to complete the Juve/Derby double was by Street Cry, as well. He also had only a maiden win to his credit when he won the Juvenile. I would not underestimate New Years Day. He's not a favorite, but given the similarities between him and Street Sense, I would not put him last by any means.
We'll be seeing a lot of old and new rivalries i believe. While I do want a star, I'd much rather that horse be a truly great and worthy horse, rather than one horse simply topping a weak bunch. The three year old males and older males were both very competitive, but that should not fool anyone into thinking that the divisions were weak. They were so competitive because if one made a wrong move, then there was always another just as good waiting to pounce. I would rather that that one good horse beating up on weaker. If we are to see a true star born next year, if one does rise above all others, I think we can all say that it is not because he or she is dominating weaker, but that they are truly great. I hope we will see that. But for now I will settle for several horses thrilling us, and giving us something to anticipate and look forward to in each an every race.
I really liked him after the Smarty Jones...was in a top 10 of mine for a while, but after the TC i really began to wonder about him. Showed me how stupid I was to loose faith.
Sully, perhaps i missed something, but i thought i read that you thought Beholder should be champion on some other threads. Could be mistaken. However, i do not think Beholder is better. I think both are very close in ability. We have no clue how Beholder would have done on a track like Saratoga or Belmont, especially if she had come at the end of a grueling season. She runs hard every time. Princess runs hard every time. Its what good ones do. Princess has had the more testing year. She showed that she was a tired horse in the Distaff. Would Beholder have done the same if the situations were reversed? We don't know. That is my main point. We don't know because she's never done so. She's never had a taxing year. She's never gone all the way across the country. You cannot simply say one is better, because one failed once to deliver during circumstances that the other has never come close to experiencing. I believe both are very very close. I don't believe one is markedly ahead of the other. Not in the slightest.
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