A bit. I saw a number of top European horses, like Brigadier Gerard, Nijinsky, Mill Reef, Pistol Packer, Allen France and Red Rum. I remember the King George of 1975 when Grundy and Bustino faced off. That was always considered the race of the century.
Under the weight for age, Exterminator would have carried more weight than MOW in the match race. That is a fact. He would have given MOW weight just as Sir Barton did. Sir Barton gave MOW six pounds in the race. Dorothy Ours writes in her book Man O War on p. 231: "Kilmer rejected the weight for age conditions that would have had Exterminator spot MOW six to eight pounds."
Further she states that the Potomac Handicap almost had all three in it but she writes: "Red would meet Sir Barton and Exterminator only if they carried weight for age." P. 231 MOW by Dorothy Ours.
In other words MOW would meet these horses only if there was a pull in the weights in his favor.
Yes Willie Knapp did state that. Here are a few sources for you: Thoroughbred Legends: Ex
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In 1950, Hill Prince was a three year old and didn't go out to CA until November 23rd for Thanksgiving Day Handicap against Your Host and Ponder where he finished third. Citation was retired for the season in June 1950 after the defeat by Noor in the Golden Gate Handicap and after pulling up lame in a workout after the race. Citation had continuing physical problems with his tendons and had an osselet after his race at Tanforan in 1948. (He had missed the entire 1949 season). Warren Wright wanted two things for Citation, one was to be the first horse to earn a million dollars and the second was to win the Santa Anita Handicap.
In January 1951, Hill Prince sustained a broken bone in his right hind leg when being prepared for the Santa Anita Maturity and was forced to miss the first eight months of the season. In September, he returned to run third in an allowance race at Aqueduct Race Track and then carried top weight to a five length victory in the New York Handicap at Belmont. In the following month Hill Prince failed to repeat his win in the Jockey Club Gold Cup when he was caught close to the finish and narrowly beaten by Counterpoint. A week later, Hill Prince again finished fourth to Call Over in the Trenton Handicap. Hill Prince's performances were still good enough to be voted 1951's Handicap Horse of the Year in the Daily Racing Form and Thoroughbred Racing Association polls. The Turf and Sport Digest award was won by Citation.
Hill Prince ran against Noor who beat Citation. Hill Prince beat Noor in the JCGC lost to him in the 1950 Hollywood Gold Cup. Hill Prince raced in CA in 1950 in three races. Citation raced in CA in 1950 at both Santa Anita and Golden Gate. In 1951 Citation raced at Bay Meadows and Hollywood Park. In 1951 Hill Prince raced on the east coast. In 1952 Hill Prince ran twice at Santa Anita.
The reason Exterminator pulled out of the match race was because Kilmer did not want to give MOW 6-8 pounds and wanted the distance to be one mile and half and not a shorter distance. MOW, Exterminator and Sir Barton were to meet in the 1920 Saratoga Cup on August 31. MOW pulled out first and went to Belmont to prepare for the Lawrence Realization on Sept. 4th. Sir Barton pulled out of the race because it poured rain and Exterminator was an incredible mudder. To prevent a walkover, the top filly Cleopatra was entered.
Many people wonder why the two didn't meet in the JCGC. It is because the prohibition against geldings running in various stakes races came into play. Though there has been some thought Exterminator could have run based on his birth date, but it's not clear.
The discussion was about two year old champions as Derby winners. Few were. Many Derby winners were decent two year olds, but came to fame as three year olds. Further a number of two year old champions were injured and didn't make it into the gate like a Buckpasser, Hoist the Flag etc.
Even before that from 1936 through the 1960's, two year old champions accounted for very few Derby wins. The majority were horses like Whirlaway ( who was a co champion with Our Boots) Count Fleet, Citation etc.
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