LorraineLloyd

I wouldn't be discouraged about Man O' War's record. Let's put it this way, he carried weight, something horses in the later years did not at 2. Others at 2 did in those days, but who is considered the greatest after 90 plust years? If these other horses that carried weight were capable and weight carried wasn't a big deal then why aren't they considered the greatest? I read where people try to diminish Man O' War's record and I agree. And, some of the horses mentioned, in my recollection, were they not handicap horses and not 2 year olds???

Whirlaway held the Derby record for about 21 years even faster than Citation but Arcaro said he thought Citation was the better horse.

I have been trying and trying to find out if Applauding and Ismene, great two year old fillies are retired or back in training? I haven't heard or read anything. Does anyone out there know what is going on with them? Thanks.

We are talking about horses that ran at Saratoga, correct? Then Man O' War's record is WAY better than Secretariat, I mean, it's a no brainer. See my comments!! I'm sure other great horses actually won their races at 3 at Saratoga. Didn't Secretariat lose the Whitney? And, I'm glad Ruffian and Go For Wand are getting mentioned. When I mentioned Kelso compared to Secretariat, someone mentioned the age difference, so I was going by horses that were 3. Then there was Ruffian.

And I can say the same thing about Man O' War. Although Man O' War was hardly ever ridden out.

Your opinion.

I feel that if Johnny Longden let Count Fleet "run" he would have run faster and maybe won by more, he is truly top 3 or 4 as I stated.

And, I say the same thing about Man O' War. See my "facts" of the two horses' races at Saratoga, it really is a no brainer.

your opinion

I believe Count Fleet should be rated up in the top 3 or 4. I agree this list is very open to conflict and opinions!