That stretch run reminded me of Honor Code and Cairo Prince in the 2013 Remsen. And the best won that day too.
I do not put much stake in Non-Chef sires unless they are listed Prominent Non-Chefs who are on their way to consideration and upgrade. I prefer to stick with Listed Chefs, those who have proven to pass down certain attributes, characteristics and optimum distances. I also believe that Shared Belief did not favor the top of his chart. His talent shines from the bottom of his chart.
I appreciate your question and do not take it as rude, so please don't take my answer as rude as well. I do realize that my opinion on this would definitely fall into the minority.
Shared Belief's fourth place in the Classic could be argued for decades. I see it two ways. First, he didn't have a fair break and at one point his head was actually cheek to cheek with Moreno. SB's performance in that race was killer and certainly shows what a monster he was to place where he did. It was his heart that made him push forward in that race, that is something many lack and what sets him apart. He had that will to win and you can see it every race just before the final turn.
You can say, as many do, that SB faced weak competition. I see it as he was incomparable to any that went up against him. He made Stakes winners look cheap. And many of the horses he did beat easily, actually ended up being fairly good horses. No better or worse than AP's competition.
The main thing that makes him stand ahead of AP (in my opinion) is the simple fact that AP was a speed horse and SB was all stamina. AP's most incredible performance was the Belmont Stakes. He simply was not built for 12f and won that race with ease. Any races he won up to 10f was no extra special feat. His pedigree demanded that.
SB's pedigree put his optimum over 12f and the little guy never ran passed 10f. He never ran at his optimum but beat the hell out of his completion from 6f all the way up to 10, most times without urging. He also never had weather play to his advantage. He also never ran on what would have most likely been his preferred surface, Turf.
I can go on and on but like I said before, I am very biased towards Shared Belief and I know that my opinions differ greatly than most. In his short career, with his pedigree, and his spirit and character, I would put SB in the top 20 and believe if he didnt die last Dec 3rd, he would have been his way to crack the top 10.
Hey Buck! Just reading through... As usual, you are correct. John P. actually sired 155 colts and fillies. Don't think that can be done as a gelding! LOL!!
Actually, the first question was:
If you could extend that list to today, which post-2000 horses would you put on the list, and where would you put them?
You named 6 very fine horses. In my humble opinion, in his very short career, Shared Belief was in a class all his own and totally dominated them all. If we were blessed to keep him, he would have no doubt continued his dominance. He was unlucky for sure, but definitely not short on talent. I believe he exceeded the best we had over the past 16 years. I also believe had he been healthy at the time, he would have easily taken the Crown first and broken the spell before Pharoah got his shot. Again, Shared Belief lacked in luck and health, but his talent exceeded them all.
His gift was excelling at ALL distances. Something which is rare today, but more common prior to the 70's. He is more aligned in my opinion with the current top 20 thoroughbreds than the apparent fan favorites.
If overseas runners were allowed, I would include Frankel as well. Him and Shared Belief were incomparable when they hit that stretch. Its just my humble opinion, for what its worth.
Not quite. In his short time, none compared. He went undefeated until the Classic sham. He won every one of those races and then some. Because the horse died doesnt mean his accomplishments should go without merit. It also means he most likely would have continued to crush them all, including the HOTY. I believe he was the greatest to come along in many years. But I am biased, no doubt. Always was and always will be when it comes to The Champ. :)
Its funny how you would not include Shared Belief because he never went into the ring with AP, but the others you mention also never battled AP. It isnt so much that Shared Belief would have been great if he lived longer, he was magnificent and untouchable while alive. AP aside, the horses you do mention, although great as well, just couldnt come close to the power of Shared Belief. And Shared Belief was just getting started.
Shared Belief. At least within the top 20.
Running Mate has only run at 6f so far. This distance is far from his optimum. He demolished by both fields running far shorter than he wants to go. He will run one more 6f race and then we can judge his Lecomte performance.
Love seeing a stamina colt rip up the track going short. It doesn't get much better than that!
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