Tom Fool, Buckpasser and Tim Tam.
"The Doctor had a reputation for being somewhat hard to handle, and in the Jersey Derby his temperament proved to be a handicap. Although he beat In Reality by six and a half lengths and broke the stakes record, he disqualified for interference and placed last. The stewards, apparently, disapproved of the physical contact between Dr. Fager's teeth and In Reality's skin on the first turn. Ycaza, who was back in the irons, earned a suspension and permanently lost the mount on Dr. Fager."
The first stride is free as long if it's deemed unintentional despite the rules. When Toast of New York broadsided Moreno, if the jockey fell as was the case when Moreno broadsided Wicked Strong in the JCGC I believe a DQ would have happened. Same with Shared Belief's jockey. No fall no DQ.
Thanks for the post Goblin. My reaction to what he said is this. I haven't heard this much BS since the last presidential debates. This guy is qualified to run for president. "Moreno finished 22 lengths back so he had no chance anyway" I can't believe he said that with a straight face. Moreno was the key horse in the most probable pace scenario, and he didn't get a chance to run. To be fair this spokesperson was in a catch22 position IMO. He knows the horse should come down, and in a lesser race it probably would have, but the start is so crucial to every thoroughbred race, especially on dirt where the ground isn't anywhere near as firm as on turf, that once they start doing this it may well have a snowball effect resulting in a much more dissatisfaction than exists now. Maybe in this situation the fans and bettors have to take one for the good of the game. Can you imagine a near future setting where nearly every race is contested. It would kill racing right now IMO.
If I implied that either incident was intentional it was not my intent. My feeling on the matter, as someone who bet both Moreno and Bayern is that these things are a regular occurrence, and because thoroughbreds are such high strung animals this will continue to happen. The only thing I can think of to help is to have a moving starting gate as they do in harness racing. Since they have a run up anyway I don't see where it will do anything but settle the horses. Also if an occurrence like this happens the can call them back and start them over again. It may not work, but I didn't see any other suggestions to fix this situation that occurs to often and is critical to the outcome of the race, no matter what the talking heads announce.
Martin Garcia, Baffert's perfect robot jockey did exactly what he had to do to win, take out Moreno the only other speed. Isn't that what life is about, winning? Maybe winning at all cost should be revaluated across the spectrum of life. Good day.
watch the filly completely take out Bayern from the #6PP and tell it's not exactly the same!!!
I don't cry over money lost as it's replaceable, after 50years of this you learn early that your going to lose more times than you win. Only the odds keep people in the game. When I first stated wagering they only had the DD in race 1 and 2, no exactas or any other exotics. Only odds coupled with diversity can keep anyone ahead. That's when I realized I had to bet more than one horse in a race (odds permitting or pass.) However if a horse or a jockey went down and it was serious do you really think they'd give out the "first jump is free bullshit," I don't! BTW: It happened in the KD and Preakness and not even an inquiry. At least at SA they put up the INQUIRY to give the illusion they care about you and me. Now tell me that isn't something to laugh about. If you can't laugh after losing money the cause is with the person as they shouldn't be gambling. If your being cheated in any game, and can't figure out what to do then you shouldn't play. The latter may be something to ponder as tracks are closing and burger joints are opening in southern Antarctica.
You didn't notice the filly who had no business in that race coming out of the #6 PP ram into Bayern either I guess.
46: is the fastest half run since they switched from synthetic. Bayern has problem with slow surface tracks, but not fast. BTW: watch the Preakness CC pushed the #4 into Bayern taking him out and no inquiry even. This isn't biased as I had a good size bet on Moreno flat also as well as the ex that went up in smoke when he took out the left side of the field, leaving only the right side to run the race. Actually it happens a lot it's just who it affects
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