Caleb's Posse entered stud at Three Chimneys in 2013. His first foals were born in 2014 and are now two-year-olds. Some of them should be seen on the track later this year. Uncle Mo entered stud in 2012, so his first offspring are older. Is that what you are asking?
I simply gave you one other way of looking at why PM could be considered better than KI as a son of Curlin at a common point in their respective careers. Seven people here have spoken up to address your original assertion that KI is "the best son of Curlin yet" or your modified version of "close though"; we all have maintained that PM is Curlin's best son thus far. As I said above, I would love to see KI rebound as a 4 y/o, and it is patently obvious that he "just needs things to go his way"....
I'm not seeing how "it is close though" FJSO26. By Palace Malice's first start as a 4 y/o, he was a winner of 3 graded stakes---the Belmont, the Jim Dandy, and the Gulfstream Park Handicap. He went on to retire to stud last fall as Curlin's chief earner and winner of 6 graded stakes. Keen Ice, by contrast, has made his first 4 y/o start and has only 1 graded stakes win---the Travers. I realize that he may rebound (somehow?), but Palace Malice was more accomplished even at the beginning of his 4 y/o season. Much as I would like to see it happen, I'm not sure Keen Ice will accomplish 6 graded stakes wins in his career the way things are going. PM's stats can be confirmed at Equibase with an overview at BH. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/95441/palace-malice-enters-stud-at-20000
I think she's exceptionally accomplished for a filly who will not be biologically a 3 y/o until 4/30/16. She's been extremely precocious, but Rick Porter's plan as outlined is a sound one. As SS86 said below, Porter plans to let her take on the colts after she has matured. Several of us have noted that there are fillies she has not yet run against; fillies who were not in the BCJF. Cathryn Sophia (last BSF a 91), Carina Mia, Off The Tracks, and Stageplay are a few of those; and I believe you mentioned Terra Promessa. TP dominated her field at Oaklawn earlier this week, but I'm not sure of her future plans or how fast she actually is. Songbird may continue her winning ways over both fillies and colts eventually, but the Derby doesn't appear to be in her future.
It's a shame. I (we) were hopeful with Castellano riding again, but KI still lagged far behind. I doubt he'll go to Dubai.
Best news for Keen Ice since August!
Silly guy! You're brave to interject anything extra on this thread! I don't know about JF; his continuing behavioral choices are very disappointing to those of us with ties to A&M. :( Yes, Lani making the Derby via Japan and Dubai would be a story for the ages....
Hi, Maryse, I mentioned CS's BSF because at this time of year the speed figures for the Kentucky Derby and Kentucky Oaks prep races are usually noted after each given race. AndyScoggin/Matt Shifman, one of the editors here at HRN, often posts these. He posted a figure this weekend for Mohaymen, but I didn't see one for CS's Forward Gal, so.... Anyway, Beyer Speed Figures are based on a formula devised by Andrew Beyer, and are supposed to be a representation of final time and "inherent speed" over the track upon which the particular race was run. Some people use them as a handicapping tool; others think they are useless. I'll link the DRF explanation of Beyer figures. http://www1.drf.com/products/beyers/beyers.html
Ron Turcotte himself confirms his initiation of that Preakness move in his official biography, "The Will to Win". (I met him briefly at a book-signing in '97 or '98.) After giving his description of the manner of the Preakness win, he then says, "That is the proudest move in my racing career. I did what I thought should be done at the time. If I'd lost because of that...." :)
Cathryn Sophia received a 91 Beyer for her Forward Gal effort. (per DRF)
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