I was being skeptical of both Dortmund and CC's ability to beat FL at longer distances, if fully developed 100 percent FL shows up. FL lost in the Derby to AP by one length. CC or Dortmund will not beat that FL if he shows up.
Oh in that case I agree. I did want him in the Travers at the time but I (like many others including the connections) at the time thought shipping just didn't affect the horse.
Don't agree with some of it (and I'm sure you can figure out what this is) but it's most certainly an interesting story. I'm sure we're all looking forward to the next chapter.
If you look at most of his Derby, Preakness fields while most horses are retired they stayed around awhile and did very very poorly. CC is better than I thought he was pre DWC but he's not as good as I thought he could be pre Belmont. Anyway I agree with you on the England trip. It was animal abuse, the pictures of CC in England were mortifying. Just another reason so many people on here disliked CC's DAP owners so much.
It makes me feel good that there's people on here that use logic. Can't believe anyone would think Nyquist would surpass AP with another win.
Dortmund's a safer pick since we saw him race more recently than FL(and off a layoff so we knew he can come back from it ) Agree with you, if fully developed FL and Dortmund show up, CC probably comes in at least third but CC had a monster performance at 8.5 and I have no doubt at this distance he can compete with then(9 and 10 I'm more skeptical)and of course there's no guarantee Dortmund and FL come back that way. Nyquist could also supply that shocking surprise though I think this early in the year it's more unlikely he's going to beat a fully developed five year old at 8.5 furlongs.
I agree completely. I have Dortmund winning this also. He beat FL at 8.5 when they were both developing in wonderful time. Dortmund appears to be an early bloomer though (that horse was a monster at three) so if FL developed some more and comes off well after the layoff he could do serious damage. Even though CC had a bad time at 8.5 this year while still developing he put up a monster performance himself at the distance so I wouldn't be surprised it he wins especially with all these horses coming off layoffs. Nyquist of course is a three year old so he'd be at a disadvantage but a victory here and in the Pacific Classic could seal the HOTY honors before the BCC regardless of what happens(I don't think this will happen but it's a possibility)
I wouldn't say it's tougher than the TC only because the TC is five weeks to distances completely foreign. Still if the field stays healthy and all the layed off horses come back strong it will be something. Most likely scenario is that no one gets all of them and they all split.
You realize AP faced Dortmund and FL and not off this layoff right? We also don't now how Nyquist will look. This is certainly a strong G1 field at it's worst though and it's in a G2 race lol. You're probably right about Nyquist if he does get all those races. Getting the Pacific Classic and BCC will be easier said then done. He just won't have to deal with these three, he'll have to deal Beholder and Frosted. Melatonin might be serious and there's always the possibility Effinex will surprise us again when we least expect it.
Yeh I get the sense out biggest disagreements are on the quality of CC.
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