Bernardini is who I'm thinking about and he has one year on Curlin and has a bunch more winners and yet has the same stud fee. Also Uncle Mo IMO has produced more quality in one crop than Curlin in his entire tenure(imagine if earnings wise that turns out to be actually true). Also while there's not a lot of young horses doing great right off the bat that's why there's not many young horses at 75 k plus. PoTN also deserves a mention I guess he's overall been a worse sire than Curlin but he has a TC winner so interpret that how you shall, the market sees that as an extra 60k for PoTN. Yeh I agree with you that the fee is determined by the market I just think it doesn't make sense from a logical perspective(money and accolades) and the only explanation I see is that buyers simply were big Curlin fans as a racehorse.
Well 7 for 7 is the longest pre Derby any horse has been unbeaten, so Nyquist has that historical fact precedent going for him. Would be happy if he won the TC especially as Uncle Mo was the horse that really got me into racing but I don't think it will happen. There's a good chance he can get 10 but I honestly don't think he'll win the Belmont's 12.
Yeh I agree, he's not a failure at stud. His progeny record simply isn't worth the current stud fee.
Well glad it had some tangible contribution to society no matter how small!
Well I was talking about sire lines because that's how you trace the success of how a line is doing at stud(if a sire line dies out those sires will cease having daughters too), never mentioned the bottom lines. Wasn't speculating on biological traits otherwise I would obviously have taken the damsire line into account. Regardless you do have a point with Gun Runner he's got a pedigree. I was given the impression there were no Mr Prospectors from the article you forwarded which didn't list any (Trojan Nation and Adventist). The ideal answer to the AP, Curlin question would be neither because theirs better options for 80 namely Bernardini but if I had to choose I'd pick AP even at the 200 k. The hype makes those foals gold right now even if AP turns out to be a dub. Curlin's stud fee I feel has more to do with racing respect than progeny because if you compare his results with those with equal and lower stud fees (50 plus range) it's clear Curlin is not worth 80.
I don't either. He had one stakes loss that was the point and that's it.
Doesn't he have to be retired? I know it's that way for horses not sure about jockeys.
Incredible that Uncle Mo's almost extinct sire line is now on top. Honestly I really like all the sire lines that are heavily represented here except Candy Rides and Curlin (his stud fee simply doesn't come close to matching his progeny's results IMO compared to other horses at similar prices). Tapit(i'm getting addicted to these talented greys), Giant's Causeway (my favorite Northern Dancer branch tbh) and I've always loved the Bernardini's. Interesting AP and the native dancer sire line has no representation here despite having a third of Kentucky's sires. Besides AP, PoTn and Empire Maker (who are gold right now for obvious reasons) I think the native dancer's stud fees will take a hit next year.
She deserves it. Best filly since Ruffian IMO. Kind of disappointed, Zenyatta made it but we all knew that was going to happen even though I hoped she would wait awhile because I thought she was pretty borderline for HOF. Also thrilled about Ramon Dominquez he retired early and never had a TC race win but dam he had a killer winning percentage in New York. Bias aside(this jockey won me a lot of money) I'm actually stunned they let him in this early, objectively didn't think he would make it tbh.
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