Moonshine Mullin was also currently riding a winning streak going in. He was pressured by Jaguar Paw early, then by Debarting during the middle of the race, then had Will Take Charge running at him down the lane. Two completely different races. He did not steal away without any pressure. Belle Gallantey did. It was an incredible job done by her jockey, to put everyone to sleep the way he did, because it allowed her soft fractions and a clear trip, which parlayed into a very good win. But the facts are facts. She had a very easy lead, was never pressured early, and had soft fractions.
Belle Gallantey steals the Del' Cap. That is the title. Nothing about that insinuates anything. The first paragraph merely reports a fact. That is what reporters do, they report facts and quotes, and that is what went on here. She was 35k claimer who got loose on the lead and stole away with a grade one. That is a fact. When Moonshine Mullin won, he also didn't get handed soft fractions, he was setting a very decent pace up front, and was already a graded stakes winner. The two instances that you are trying to compare are apples and oranges.
Florida, it seems like it was 50 either way. It was an amazing race.
Did they changer her number? last i checked it's listed as a 107.
He is an intriguing one. Always have found that a horse with a poly prep seems to run well in the Derby. Maybe not win, but always seems to sneak up and hit the top three or four.
tmallios, the one who just likes to argue for the sake of it. He did right by Orb because by what Orb was giving off to not just him, but most others who saw him, he looked like he wanted to race. He looked fantastic. Look at the commentary leading up to all of the races. The consensus was he looked fantastic. He did right by him, by early on by taking him through his conditions. Orb looked great in his maiden at AQ, meaning that in most hands he would have been put in a stakes his next start. Shug ran him in an allowance. Then he took him to stakes. When he beat Violence, Shug still said his status was unsure, that he needed to show them he was ready with another performance. He delivered in the Florida Derby, and only then did Shug say they would go to the Derby. After the Belmont he didn't rush him back he waited for the Travers, where he ran a very good race. Then again in the lead up to the BC, commentary was that he looked and was training like a beast. To blame what happened to him on the TC is far fetched seeing as how he actually ran a very good race in the Travers, after the said TC. On HC, they did not have to skip the Gotham. He had time to get ready, especially after this last breeze, signalling to most trainers that HC is still very much on his toes. Most would go ahead and go to the Gotham, after all, he didn't miss that much, and just had a very sharp work. He doesn't have to wait for the Rebel. And, finally, in your very first sentence, you are incorrect. Not every trainer needs a plan, even if you do have a major goal of the classics. Why, because, in the end it is the horse that will tell you they were ready one way or another. In their works or in their races. You don't race a horse by your plan. You go by when they are their best. If they are in good form, then run them, and keep running them until they tell you it is time to stop. Orb is the example. He never ran a bad race, even ran a heck of a race in the Belmont. But when he tired, and came back tired, then they stopped. The one time he did run a bad race, they again stopped. He did listen. The commentary show it, as did his actions.
True, but they do happen, it's part of the game, especially with young horses like these. And if any issues are to happen, you'd want them to be minor and early rather than later.
Who is the UB? I would agree, they normally don't make it. Havana by Dunkirk is by UB, but not sure if that is who you are talking about. SB is a Candy Ride, then you have a Curlin and AP Indy. I doubt Havana will go to the Derby, since he is pointing to the Swale, meaning he'll have one major shot to get into the Derby after that, maybe two.
I would agree Florida. There doesn't even seem to be a target with him, and he was taken out of any sort of training for a good few weeks due to a quarter crack/abscess? His connections have been very tight lipped and even angry at any of the speculation. Transparency is key to ending speculation and his connections have been anything but, while the connections have Honor Code have been fairly straight about his surgery, injury and any changes that have occurred.
Buds, I would take a historic seasons, in races that hold more history and prestige than one win, over tired horses in the BC, which becomes more watered down every year, and does not have near the history that any of Princess' races do. I also never said they can't be expected to. I said you can only fire your best so many times before you start showing signs of fatigue. You would disagree? If you do why not ask Mandella or Zenyatta's connection? They avoided the races that were to be the most strenous all year, except for target races, making sure that their horses never hit top bar more than they ever needed to? Why do you think that is? You say Beholder did run races consecutively, she never had to fire shots like either Royal Delta nor Pricess did in their last three. As i said, rested for 4 months after she fired big in the Oaks, then returned in a race that was nothing more than a workout. Ran in the Zenyatta, against decent, but not top fillies and mares, and used that as a tightener. She was never asked for big efforts consecutively. Wise Dan, never hit top gear in most of his starts either. To say he was constantly facing world beaters or had to give even close to his best in any of his races is a huge overstatement. He was so far superior he simply won with ease. He had a few races where he did put forth effort, due to trip or weight, but otherwise, he didn't. My veiw is far from slanted. I preffer my horses and my champions to have run all season, built up a resume worthy of a champion, by racing in all, or at least most of the best. Beholder did not do that. She won one of the very top races. Not four. This matter for me is closed. Argue what you want. Until I see Beholder prove me wrong on neutral grounds, my mind will not change. I hope Mandell will allow us to see that. Be my guest to argue this point until you are satisfied.
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