Jockey Club Gold Cup

Mary. I think what you aren't taking into consideration in the Whitney was the fact that the track was really dead. HDG ran her 9F Woodward about 3 seconds faster, but BOTh her and Tizway received identical 111 Beyers.

The 10F in the BCC, not 20F.

DOGFACE (HORSEFACE) Tizway has lost two and won two of his four races this year, but I guess he's on a roll lately. lol No one can say anything was wrong with his Met Mile, but it was A MILE. The 1:52.43 of his Whitney win, 13.11 final eighth has most questioning if he can get the 10f. in a decent time. I think not, but if he does it in the JCGC, his trainer should be up for a Eclipse of his own for accomplishing that feat of getting Tizway to stretch out a quarter mile past his best distance.

And you have a dum.... opinion... timgsmith10.... stay thirsty is a youn punk....

I'm not saying he's small, trust me. He's not the size of a 3yo like Curlin of Summer Bird, that's my point. I'm not picking against him, just saying the hurdle he'll have to jump. He's definitely got the edge over Tizway over 10 furlongs.

Flat Out's Suburban was good enough to compete with these two in here, after all he's the only on of these with a win at the distance over the track. Stay Thirsty will be first against older, and he's not a brute to easily handle the more mature older males. Tizway is yet to be over successful at the distance. I'm not making a pick, just pointing out some critical points.

I say Tizway....very cautiously though. Mainly because he is a completely healthly horse now with no foot issues. His last two have been monstrous and his breeze today looked as good as ever. I think he gets the edge.

ALLL....timgsmith10 im sorry your so thirsty.... let me give you some water....are thirsty now???

Horse's ? Why do you keep saying you are scared? Is it those extra 4 furlongs that have you worried? I'll have you to thank, too, for convincing me about Tizway, Beauty. I haven't measured how far I run with the beast cujo every a.m. must be farther than that taxi ride you need to take. lol I like your movie reference, though.

Winplacsho :Haynsfield was the lone speed in that race. Stay Thirsty unlike Blame has tactical speed to get psition no matter how the race breaks. As for Tizway he was all out in the Met Mile and almost collasped from exhaustion. Where is he going to get that extra 1/4 mile. To be blunt there is no horse out there to stop Stay Stirsty from getting HOTY!

SCARYMARY.....your dazed & confused Im the beauty and your the beast.... but anyway'zzz.... I see handicapping is not your game time is nothing only if your in jail....the trainer BOND'S is confident in this horse 2 get the distances Tizway has the breeding his daddy TIZNOW....A monster at 1 1/4...on top of all that TIZWAY.. is a monster at belmont park look at the pp..... p.s... I believe you can get a 1 1/4 in taxi!!!!

dumb is spelled with a b and slow and struggling past a mile is spelled T-I-Z-W-A-Y, horsebreath how do you know so much about young punks?

actually I'm making a selection for HOTY provided he stays healthy which is always a concern. There isn't a horse out there to run with him. Bernardini did well.

Horse Breath Zip it . D.U.M.B missed a B smart guy. STAY THIRSTY!

OK....MrsMaryzinke.... I'll time out on the necessary roughness 4 now..... but I will be here 2 say I told you so....so keep on doubting because some day soon you will say horseface is the best handiapper I NO!!!!!!!!

My opinion is Stay Thirsty will smoke Tiz...

Mary……….When it comes to Tizway and HDG, I have no axe to grind here either way. I’m just giving my opinion……….Beyers are based on final times and nothing else. However, if the time of the race is compromised by a track surface condition, off track and/or even a dead fast track, then variants are applied and adjustments are made to try and make the comparing criteria equal………..From making some time comparisons on the day each race was run, it appears that the Whitney track was a couple of seconds slower early on when compared to the Woodward track and later in the day the Whitney track slowed even more, especially for the last two races, Tizway’s 9F in 1.52.43 and a 7F allowance race in the last run in 1.26.67 (6.27 seconds off the track record and more than two seconds slower than the two other 7F races run earlier on the card). Under normal circumstance a 9F race run by Tizway in 1.52.43 on perfect track conditions would have resulted in a Beyer of about 82. Because the track was deemed approximately 3 seconds off he was credited with a time of around 1.49 for the 9F (the difference for fifteen lengths or three seconds on the Beyer scale), which made his hypothetical adjusted running time virtually equal to HDG’s and thus resulting in an equal 111 Beyer……….As for the races themselves, IMO Tizway and HDG ran similar type styles against many of the same horses. Both made a move on the leaders on the far turn. Tizway got in front rather easily midway in the turn and was moderately whipped while maintaining pretty well a measured advantage. HDG had to work much harder to get past Rule under a drive from midway in the turn to around the 8th pole, was whipped (moderately) before Rule finally gave way and was whipped (moderately) up to the wire to hold off Flat Out. I don’t see how you can say that HDG had an easier time of it. They worked hard for the victory with the same horses finishing second, but much closer to HDG than to Tizway. I do think that both gave pretty well all they had.

SCARYMARY...... who let the dog's out..... it's not october,31 yet..is it.... now pay attention!!! TIZWAY is the best handicap horse this year he triumph in the met mile & whitney.

Icyhotboo..''' you no stay thirsty is just a kid and Tizway is the man!!!!!!!

YOU... two scrubs amaz.... me get real Tizway is by TIZNOW!!! A LETHAL WEAPON AT 10f and it's not like he's racing SECRETARIAT, AFFIRMED,OR THE BID...just some bum's he beat in the met & whitney and a 3y...old...kid stat thirsty..... got milk!!!!!

Stay Thirsty won't lose agaain, ever. Of course since he only has two races left thats not saying much but there is really no horse to challenge him. Just to strong and fast , able to handle those tiring tracks.

Laz, I'll be honest. I don't get how those figures are calculated, but I'm sure I could learn. Would you say those two races looked the same to you? I wouldn't. HDG's win looked much easier for her than Tizway's, to me anyway. And the final time was so slow, even 1:50 would have been quite slow, especially for that field. I know the Saratoga track was playing slow that day because of how Turbulent Descent's Test Stakes went, but come on, 1:52+?? I just don't think Tizway will win the JCGC. He may and shock the heck out of all of us, but to me even the 9f. is still a question with him. I actually think Flat Out may have the best chance in the JCGC as opposed to Stay Thirsty or Tizway.

I am Thirsty.. but not a water or Milk like youve mentioned. actually for a Dos equis. Stay Thirsty my friends.

I think that Tizway and HDG can get 10F. I just don't know if they'll get the 20F in the BCC. There will be no easy times in that race. There will be pressure throughout adn no rela chance to take a break.

I'd swing the way of Stay Thirsty. In comparing their times over the same oval, Stay Thirsty has the advantage.

ajump08 : Stat Thirsty is the bully in any race that can be put together now. He is really wide and muscular, reminds me of a bigger Seattle Slew.

Depends on who's running, but Tizway over Stay Thirsty. Remember last year with Haynesfield...don't let history repeat itself.

Laz, I "whipped" up a quick response. Wouldn't it be funny if you are the one who convinces me that Tizway is a 10f. horse?