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Curlin's Classic Statement

“In the race of the year, for Horse of the Year it's Curlin ... in an absolutely stylish performance!” Read More

Posted 215 days ago ·

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Mike in Sb · This was a good field and Curlin was a deserving winner, but I am always disappointed when the track is off in these big races, it poured rain Friday and rained again on Saturday. I am not saying Curlin would not have won on a fast track but you can never tell if some of the other horses didn't like the mud, but the weather is part of racing. · 215 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Americas last great MALE!! loved Curlin · 214 days ago ·

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · Street Sense was my darling boy, but Curlin was amazing. Hard Spun always showed up too. · 214 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · agreed that was a great group of runners!! · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Curlin was one tough horse and showed it both years he ran. · 214 days ago ·

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stevebiscuit · Street Sense would have won had it not rained. The rail was a swamp yet Calvin still went for it. Oh well. · 214 days ago ·

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shadowno · Really too bad that a juiced out Curlin denied Street Sense a shot at the TC. Hell, his entire 2007 HOY season he was roided up, didn't come clean till he was headed to Dubai where he was gonna be TESTED and still we fret over Race Day Lasix, ironic IMO.. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · How do we know none of the other horses weren't on anything? Come on people, get your heads out of the clouds, even Zito replied "no comment" in 08 when asked if he had his horses on anything. Many trainers do, so to crucify one for coming clean while the others pretent or hide behind "no comment" is insantity. Also Curlin proved that stroids had nothing to do with it. I believe he was off them in the Classic and all of his 08 season including the DWC and Stephan Foster. If youc can't respect a great horse then you are not a fan of racing. · 214 days ago ·

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shadowno · The horse was on juice through the classic by admission. Not off till the Dubai trip. This info was only made public after the Big Brown fiasco when Dutrow "came clean". Your point is we should glorify a cheat? Sorry, there have been far to many truly great horses before Curlin to have to bend ones standards and accept false greatness. Doubt we saw a juiced up Man O War,Citation, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Buckpasser, Native Diver or Spectacular Bid. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Shadowno, No, the point 1.) that was a legal drug and a very very very mild one that was a TRAINING DRUG. The top three horses in every race are tested after every race and every time Curlin was clean as a whistle, so the comment of juiced applied to BB or Curlin is a complete and total lie. 2.) I would say almost 90% if not more of the barns out there had their horses on some type of drug and did not come clean. 3.) Both those connections took their horses off that drug to make a point, and that was that they did not need it. Curlin proved he didn't need it, by remaining unbeaten over dirt that year, thrashing the DWC competition, coming back off the Dubai bouce to thrash those in the Stephen Foster, running second on his first truf try, then subsequently winning both the Woodward and JCGC. The only race he fished out of the top three, and that was by a head was the BCC on Pro-Ride. He was off the drug for at least 11 months, which means there is a very slim chance that was even due to coming off of Winstrol, since had he had any ill effects we would have seen them. Also a fact on this drug is that when taken it reports little to NO weight gain, and for everyone that doesn't know that weight woudl come from muscle. Winstrol does contain a high amount of protein synthasis which would build muscle and promote weight gain, yet it does not. So to come on here and say uninformedly that this horse or any horse that ever was on Winstrol was juiced is a completely rediculous statement. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Pharmacological effects ( like bolstering the appetite of fillies by using male homrones) can last LONG after the TEST for the drug is over. The steorid boost that created Big Brown Curling and others remained Physically long after the serum levels of the drugs and metabolites were gone. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Testing has no standard number checked. Sometimes the entire field is tested, sometimes only a straggler along with the winner. It is up to the judges · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · travel_vic, the info on testing I got was from a trainer who actually gets to watch all of this and is still doing it today. The 1st three horses are always tested. · 213 days ago ·

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brooklyn.steve · He beat a very tough, deep, talented field. That was the best crop of 3 yos in decades. I t showed how good he was. Outside of Invasor, he was the horse of the decade. · 213 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Curlin was awesome, Juice or not. And if he was on steroids do you believe he was the only one? Curlin beat a very good group of year olds and actually took his show on the road to be tested against the worlds best! Curlin Americas last great thorobred. · 213 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · That really was a stylish performance, but I have to admit I was rooting just as hard for Awesome Gem to get past Street Sense to help me out a little bit in my superfectas. · 213 days ago ·

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shadowno · So in spite of the NY Times interview with Jess Jackson where he admits the horse was campaigned on steroids you insist he was "clean as a whistle". Are you kidding or just naive and stupid? With regard to effect, they eat better and are able to train harder. Winstrol is a powerful anabolic steroid, NOT a very mild training drug, ever heard of Ben Johnson?. The vet who worked Big Brown for Dutrow stated it was used "TO HELP MUSCLES TO GET STRONGER". Hell top trainers like Bruce Levine admitted using it as it let them (horses) eat better and train harder. Baffert says it helps recharge their batteries (NYT interview) . Pretty high profile guys so I dont buy the 90% theory at all. They just weren't being asked. Besides that Curln flunked (OR PASSED) the eye test. If you ever saw him in the flesh you know exactly what he looked like and it was not your typical race horse and every vet out there would know how to cycle the drugs to avoid detection, or visit BALCO, but out of respect for Jackson we';ll consider 2008 a "clean" campaign. · 212 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Shadownno, he obviously was if he was tested CLEAN by the officials. And if you want to get that technical, no horse is actually clean when all race on sometype of raceday meds. · 212 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Dead Heat you really need a course in pharmacology · 212 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Some testing is so senstive that background contaminatioin registers almost as much as real drugs in the system. The Enzyme Linked Immunoassay is like that. · 212 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · And many of you need one in reality. What i said is completely true. If you want to be technical, over 90 of horses in this sport are not clean, but are because of what is made legal. Winstrol was at the time, so even it showed up in Curlin's blood, it would have been fine. I also provided you with facts above that say that that particular drug does not produce much weight gain or muscle gain, unlike typical steroids. That particular drug is actually used to treat conditions that cause swelling, and it reduces it. Swelling typically comes from when blood flows highly to one area of the body causing it to swell and become stiff and painful. If it reduces swelling then this drug would be an equivalent to aprin or motrin to humans. · 212 days ago ·

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