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2012 Juddmonte International (G1)

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Date/Track:

8/22/2012, York Racecourse-GB

Post Time:

10:40 AM ET

Distance:

1 5/16 m (Turf)

Age/Sex:

3+ M

Time:

2:06.59

*Rank is current Power Ranking among all active horses, based on highest HRN rating. Rating is based on HRN member voting.

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Horse / Sire

Rating

Trainer / Jockey

Last Start / Next Start

1st

Frankel
Galileo

8.86

S. Cecil
T. Queally

1st, 2012 Champion Stakes (G1)

Apr 16 - Greenham Stakes (G3)

2nd

Farhh
Pivotal

7.74

S. Suroor
F. Dettori

1st, 2013 Lockinge Stakes (G1)

Jul 7 - Coral-Eclipse (G1)

3rd

St Nicholas Abbey
Montjeu

8.20

A. O'Brien
J. O'Brien

1st, 2013 Dubai Sheema Classic (G1)

Oct 3 - Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (G1)

4th

Twice Over
Observatory

7.69

S. Cecil
I. Mongan

4th, 2012 Juddmonte International (G1)

Nov 7 - Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

5th

Bullet Train
Sadler's Wells

4.79

S. Cecil
E. Ahern

6th, 2012 Champion Stakes (G1)

Oct 15 - Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (G1)

6th

Sri Putra
Oasis Dream

5.45

R. Varian
N. Callan

17th, 2012 Japan Cup (G1)

Jun 15 - Prince of Wales's Stakes (G1)

7th

Planteur
Danehill Dancer

6.27

M. Botti
W. Buick

3rd, 2013 Dubai World Cup (G1)

Jul 14 - Duplicate Race (G1)

8th

Robin Hood
Galileo

A. O'Brien
S. Heffernan

7th, 2013 Handicap

May 27 - Tattersalls Gold Cup (G1)

9th

Windsor Palace
Danehill Dancer

A. O'Brien
C. O'Donoghue

3rd, 2013 Heritage Stakes (LS)

Aug 17 - Juddmonte International (G1)

What the Nation is saying about the 2012 Juddmonte International (G1)...

Frankel, on Top of the World

After Frankel rolled by Cirrus Des Aigles in the grade one Champion Stakes, extending his record to an unbeaten 14 for 14, there was only one thought in my mind… I had just witnessed the greatest horse to ever race of all time.Read More

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BrianZipse · The best of all-time is too hard for me to compare, but ... I have no doubt that he is one of the best I've ever seen in 40 years of watching the races. · 214 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Great article but I'm baffled by the comment about the 'clueless ride' on Bullet Train? It was one of the smartest pieces of riding I've seen! Frankel misses the beat, Ian Mongon drops back to keep in touch as planned? · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Dan, I say that because I feel he stayed back way too long. Bullet Train is a pacemaker, would that mean his job is to make sure Frankel gets a good pace to run at, especially after the break left him behind Cirrus Des Aigles? I can understand staying back for a bit to make sure he's ok, but after that get up there and make things tough on the leaders like you're supposed to. That is where i got clueless from. Brian, you are no stranger to hard comparisons with your Star of the Week. I figured I'd bite the bullet this time :) · 214 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Really? And of course you have seen so many. Not to take away from his brilliance, but I think that is quite a stretch, in fact, not really worth arguing about. And that “clueless ride” as you so aptly put it on Bullet Train. Maybe you should have listened to the commentator during the running of the race. Bullet Train's sole purpose was to "drag Frankel along" as he put it. To me that doesn’t define “rabbit”. It’s more like a NASCAR strategy where teams race and one sets it up for another. Of course Frankel didn’t need any help. I don’t think he ever did and I’m glad his break was slow and he more or less did it on his own. Frankel! Great horse yes. Greatest of all time? Whatever you think. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Laz, I have watched enough to formulate an opinion, and i just gave over 1000 words of facts to back it up. Please, if you'd like to slam, give us your top horse and why? If you can't walk the walk, then don't talk the talk. Also, I'm not the only one with that opinion of the ride on Bullet Train, there were also commentators who shared that same opinion. · 214 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Dani. Race tactics and planning, as confirmed on course by connections were not to make it a testing gallop. It was to assist with the settling of Frankel. This is why he's been the 'tow' for all of the racecourse gallops too, not to make a testing gallop as Frankel, in honesty, was the most dubious stayer of the pack over 10f. · 214 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Okay, I'll take a stab here, dani. Would you like for me to argue against your claim with Frankel as the best ever with Dubai Millenium, Ribot, Shergar, Man O' War, Kelso, Brigadier Gerard, or Ruffian? · 214 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · If you want I'll take Frankel and Dr. Fager for best miler of all time? · 214 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · If Frankel is the best horse in the world, I don't think there needed to be a lot of worry about the pace or the condition of the turf. Outstanding horses find ways to win races. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Dan, while I understand that, after he noticed Frankel didn't need his assistance he should have gone about his own business, and he did. And to watch the race, once Bullet Train did move to the front he did indeed make the pace quicken, so the comment about not making the pace a testing gallop would have seemed to have gone out the window. It was an indecisive ride. Either stay back, like the connections apperently wanted, or go up and press the pace like the term pace maker would imply. You also say Frankel was questionable at that distance...How? He had won going 10.5 furlongs in his last race and won by open lengths. That would have taken care of the question mark hanging over the "can he get the distance?" question. · 214 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Andy, Sysonby and Man O' War and Native Dancer would have to disagree on that one. lol. But I do agree that outstanding horses do find ways to win that other horses simply cannot. RA for example, those fractions in the Haskell(?) were like a 5f sprint. · 214 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Dani. I said most dubious stayer of the pack. All of the other rivals had proven their stamina on more than one occasion over 10f on that kind of ground. To be honest, I heard the tactics from the connections themselves and, to be honest, I'm not getting into an argument with someone less than 24hrs after I witnessed the greatest race of my life as it'll spoil it so I'll leave you to it. · 214 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · frankel is the best as it showed he can win from anyway where. he will crush you from anywhere on the track. it was great watching all his races, fantastic horse · 214 days ago ·

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SteveHerron · Declaring Frankel the greatest of all time seems to be driven more by emotion rather than historical perspective. While I have no problem saying he's one of the best European runners of all time, let's not forget he's only run 14 races, with an average of 4.3 races per year. Not to mention that Frankel never once faced his elders without the help of the hopeless pacemaker, Bullet Train. I don't doubt Frankel is a freak and will always have a place in history as one of the best, but I feel it's a bit of a double standard when some are flabbergasted when they hear people even suggest that Zenyatta was the greatest female racehorse in history, while at the same time having absolutely no doubt Frankel deserves the #1 spot, despite not having even run in the most prestigious race in Europe, the Arc D’Triomphe. I love Frankel, but there are simply too many other great horses in history for me to say he is without a doubt the best ever. · 214 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · I don’t recall slamming your piece Dead-Heat. My bad. I just had the audacity of not agreeing with it. I agree that Frankel is brilliant, but to call him the best ever is definitely a stretch. He never faced a Sea Bird, Nijinsky, Ribot, Mill Reef, Alleged, Brigadier Gerard, Miesque, and more recently Zarkava and Sea the Stars, etc. and etc.; and that’s just confining it to some of the great European horses. Forget about the Orient and to some degree the Middle-East. And I won’t even bother bringing up American dirt horses like Citation, Seattle Slew, etc., or American horses that were proficient on turf into the conversation like Secretariat, Kelso, Lure, Dr. Fager and many more. I would love to see how Frankel would have stacked up against Round Table, a horse that won at 9 different distances between 6F and 13F and who carried weights ranging from 130 to 136 lbs. to victory 16 times, and every time giving away large spreads of weight. He won 14 of 16 career turf races, losing one when he finished last after sustaining and injury, and the United Nations Hdcp by a half-length when giving the winner 17 lbs (130 to 113) and breaking the track record by a full second to boot. Frankel never really gave weight in his career. He might have carried heavy weights at times, but so did his main competitors. As for distances, the great filly Zarkava was a top miler and also won two 12F races including the Arc, both those wins at three and both against older horses. She won all her races coming from behind with a whirlwind finish, and won them easily in margins from 2 to 3 lengths, which was all she needed to do to show her dominance. STS won in multiple distances ranging from 7F to 12F and four times as a three year old defeated the best older horses in Europe, including Conduit, a two time BC Turf winner and IMO a much better horse than SN Abby. Maybe you forgot, or maybe you aren’t really aware of the dominance of unbeaten Ribot a two-time Arc winner; Nijinsky’s great TC run; Brigadier Gerard’s incredible 17 wins in 18 starts, his only loss when Roberto ran a race of a lifetime; Alleged’s 9 wins in 10 starts, 6 of them at 12F; Sea Bird absolutely humbling one of the deepest Arc fields of all time; Mill Reef, like Brigadier Gerard, winning important races in distances from 6F to 12F during his stellar career, one of those losses to Brigadier Gerard. I could go on and fill several pages about these great horse’s accomplishments and then make a comparison to Frankel’s career and the quality of many of the horses that he faced and compare it to the quality of many of the horses that they faced, but I have a feeling it would be lost on you. · 214 days ago ·

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rafirox · Obviously Dani is clueless about this subject. Bullet Train was ridden great yesterday. The point was, he didn't want to go out up front and kill Bullet Train, then the other pace maker would slow the race down. Bullet Train waited, applying pressure. Then, he quickened up the pace in the middle of the race to tire the other one out. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Laz, if you aren't willing to stick your neck out and pick one horse, before picking apart another then you have no right to pick. Disagree if you will, but at least i picked one horse, and backed it up. You say he never faced a some of the greats...Canford Cliffs beat Goldikova, one of the most well respected milers in Europe, Immortal Verse did the same and he beat that one as well. If you wish to slam his competition, then first look at who he beat. Three champions are there, and many multiple groupe one winners. Also, many of those greats never faced the likes of the others you listed. Double standard there. Zarkava, while versatile, never raced under a mile nor past three. You mention triple crown runs, that's great and brilliant stretch of running, Frankel was brilliant his whole career. Many would argue that Cirrus Des Aigles ran a race of a lifetime, Frankel won. Great horses win, and he won no matter what, he was brilliant no matter what, and did it over a span of 3 seasons. These horses are great, but they had their flaws. Frankel had none. · 214 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Dani I let you PICK a horse and you still won't debate with me. And aren't you the writer of dead heat DEBATES? · 214 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · It is important to remember how Frankel's biggest loss was when the field got away from him. Bullet Train did not need to act as a rabbit, he was to act like a teacher and keep little nutty Frankel out of his own whackjob mind. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Cocoa, pick any horse you want. Not really fair for me to pick one. You want to pick one of the ones you listed at random, and i'll debate it with you, it could be fun ;) At three i might agree with your last statement, but at four, I don't think Frankel ever really needed Bullet Train. His unflappable attitude in the Champion demonstrates that. · 214 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · The good doctor might be a good candidate but I think I'll go with Ribot. EVERY horse is governed by pace. Some, like Ruffian, were not governed as much as a horse such as Dr. Fager when he faced the rabbit in the 67(?) woodward. · 214 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Dani, first of all I didn’t pick apart Frankel so maybe instead of getting all hot headed and uptight and self-righteous because someone (of many) doesn’t happen to agree with you, you should actually try to comprehend what was written. I simply stated that Frankel isn’t, nor will he ever be, the best ever. That’s my opinion and I hope that like you I’m allowed to have one. As far as picking a horse, I thought I just picked a dozen or so. In fact I will go as far to say that Frankel would have met his match with Round Table alone. Round Table ran during four years; was a top rated three year old in what was arguably the deepest American three year old dirt crop ever; ran 66 times in his career and often ran three and sometimes four races in a single month against the top competition in N/A; won at multiple distances from 6F to 13F; won 16 races carrying 130 to 136 lbs. and always gave large amounts of weight; 16 times ran the fastest three year time for various distances at different tracks; on dirt won a 10F Hollywood Gold Cup at three in 1.58.3/5 (one of four sub 2 minute 10F races on dirt in his career); a mile on dirt in 1.33 2/5 while carrying 130 lbs., 9F in 1.46 4/5 carrying 130 lbs.; and on turf won at 9F in 1.47 1/5 carrying 132 lbs. and 10F in 1.58 2/5 carrying 132 lbs. Arguably he was the best American Turf Horse all time and it’s a shame that he never got the chance to run in Europe. And yet as good as Round Table was, there are many N/A horses rated well ahead of him, though if the rating was based on turf racing alone he would have been included among the best with Secretariat, Kelso, Fort Marcy and Dr. Fager, all of which proved their prowess on dirt, but in their limited starts on turf also showed their brilliance. As for Frankel and the so called incomperable competition that he has faced let’s see: Slim Shadey won a G2 in N/A and was dusted by Little Mike and Acclamation in G1 races and Bourbon Bay in a G2; Treasure Beach is a nice horse but didn’t Point of Entry just run away from him in the Turf Classic and I don’t hear where that one is included in the discussion as best ever; Dream Ahead (a US bred) improved greatly after Frankel; Farhh who finished second to Frankel twice in a row and both at equal weights has still never won a G1 race. As of this writing he won 3 of 8 starts. Cirrus Des Aigles has won 16 and lost TWENTY-NINE of his lifetime starts. A couple of starts ago he wasn’t even close to Golden Lilac (the best that one has beaten was Galikova who in turn beat her, and Galikova was no match for Danedream, another that Frankel never faced); and Planteur, a single G1 winner. Excelebration is a good miler but certainly no better than Canford Cliffs, Miesque, or even Goldikova. The best horse he has beaten appears to be Cityscape, yesterday, and a few weeks back Wise Dan humbled that one into defeat and won with much to spare. Nathanial is a very good horse, but I don’t think he is the horse he was last year, certainly not in the final furlong. St. Nicholas Abby has won a single race this year and as has often been stated is at his best at 12F (he faced Frankel at 10F though I don’t think he would beat Frankel at 12F either) a distance that Frankel has never tried, not that I’m holding that against him because I’m not. As for SNA’s BC Turf win, Conduit beat tougher fields during both his wins and Conduit was definitely no match for Sea The Stars. To put it bluntly, Frankel never met the quality of horses that I stated in my previous post and I guarantee, and so will many others, that he would never dominate any of them, even if he was good enough to win a few races against them, the way he dominates the bunch he has faced in his career. · 214 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Frankel is a great horse and well deserving of the accolades. The best ever in Europe, I would have to give that to Ribot. The best Euro I ever saw race would have to be Brigadier Gerrard. Best American horse is one of the ones I saw race multiple times and that would Kelso. · 214 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · cocoa, looking at their records and comparing, I have to say, the two horses strike me as very similar. Both top two year olds, both top three year olds and both dominant older horses. It would seem to me Ribot was race at distances, where Frankel remained at a mile for most of his career. Both could do short, both could also stretch out, both could run over any kind of conditions as well. Both also had the brilliance factor. After looking at his record, I would not argue with anyone who wished to pick Ribot as the best. I personally would still choose Frankel, and in this case one could say that it is more of a bias, since I was able to witness him in action and was not Ribot. However, I would still not argue with one who would call Ribot the best of all time. Laz, you are bias and twist the facts to suite you. If I remember correctly, when comparing Zapper and Curlin's competition, you noted how many wonderous horse's Zapper faced, but failed to mention that most of the horses you listed only reached their full peak after they met Zapper. However, here you pick out Dream Ahead, saying he became much better after facing Frankel. You also choose to slam Cirrus, tell me, Laz, what is that horse's recent form? What is his form over soft ground? I'll save you the time, his recent for is a romping win in his last start and he is know to relish, yes, relish soft going. Again, don't pick and choose facts. No need to act like a politician. Excelebration, if not for Frankel would be one of the most dominant milers in Europe as of now. I seriously doubt anyone on either side of the pond would deny that, so slandering him, especially after the QEII win, won't get you anywhere. You say Nathaniel is not the same horse, really? A grade one winner this year, second twice behind last year's Arc winner and the outstanding filly Snow Fairy. His only other start was a third in the champion behind the Frankel and the race's defendig champion. Hardly seems like he has taken a drop in form. Also you compare him to Round Table. Sorry, but it is no secret that American tracks are firmer, faster, and flater, meaning you will most likely see faster times on our side of the pond. So listing times, and trying to use them to prove dominance, is reaching just a bit. At the conclusion of this, I think it's very clear of your bias against Frankel, for he clearly did face quality horses throughout his entire career, a fact you refuse to acknowledge. However, the great thing about America is that you can have your opinion and you have the right to choose to ignore facts. Have a good night Laz. · 214 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Dani. Sorry. I don’t twist the facts, I state them. For instance, when Saint Liam ran that head-to-head Woodward against Ghostzapper, it’s true, he still wasn’t a G1 winner. That would come immediately after. However, with the possible exception of the Whitney, in which he finished second to Commentator the following year, the race he ran that day against Ghostzapper was as good or better than any race he would subsequently run during the remainder of his career and that includes wins in the Clark, Donn, Foster, Woodward and BCC. That day he ran on the lead with lights out fractions of 45 3/5, 1.08 3/5, 1.33 1/5 and finished in 1.46 1/5 and he did it while carrying 126 lbs. That performance wasn’t a fluke. It was because he was good with a capital G. Roses in May had already won a Whitney and in his final two races after the BCC loss to GZ would finish 2nd in that Donn to St. Liam and then win the World Cup. Pleasantly Perfect had already won a Pacific Classic, Dubai World Cup and BCC before being soundly defeated by Ghostzapper. Where’s the bias? Here’s a bias though. When Zenyatta defeated Twice Over the feeling was so what, Twice Over wasn’t all that much to begin with, and yet when Frankel defeats him he defeated a really good horse. Here’s another. Dream Ahead, whom Frankel defeated in 2011, was a multi G1 winner of two races before they met and I believe three after. However, he never won a G1 past 7F his absolute limit (they never even entered him in a longer race). The majority of his wins were at 6F and two at 7F, not at a mile. And yes, he was much better after Frankel. He defeated Goldikova in his final start. I doubt very much he would have even warmed her up before he faced Frankel. As for Cirrus and any advantage he was supposed to have because of the soft turf. It seems to me that Frankel won two races this year on turf listed as yielding including the Queen Anne Stakes when he defeated Excelebration by 11 lengths. Yielding is considered slower and deeper than soft. So tell me, who had the advantage? As for Nathanial. He has all of a SINGLE win this year period. News flash. Two other horses have defeated him besides Frankel. Maybe you should include them in your analysis for the Best Ever. As for Round Table, I only mentioned his fast times to show his quality and ability to run on different surfaces and at different distances and while carrying heavy weights and giving a lot of weight to his opponents, and this at a particular time in America when race surfaces weren’t all that fast, certainly nowhere near as fast as they are now. He also ran and won on various types of off tracks. I know that in Euro racing times aren’t important and I’m sure that if Frankel would have run on fast turf course without hills he would have run some really fast times too. I also mentioned Round Table because he ran 66 times over four years, came back after a bad leg injury, gave vast advantages to his competitors race in and race out, had a stellar record and yet wasn’t even in the top 16 in the Bloodhorse top 100. I could still name 10 European horses that I would rate ahead of Frankel, but that would be a waste of my time. I will state that IMO Frankel is an all-time great, one of many all-time greats, not just a few all-time greats. But to say he’s better than Ribot, for instance, is like you said, your opinion. Here’s an analogy for his second Arc win: Longchamp - 2,400m WON - cantered to victory by an official 6 lengths, never off the bit at any time from Talgo (horse) in second, beating a field consisting of the English Oaks winner, French Oaks winner, two Irish Derby winners, Grand Prix de Paris winner, French St Leger winner, Laurel Invitational winner and the runner up in the Belmont Stakes. Photographs suggest that the winning margin was more like eight and a half lengths. Frankel never faced a deep field like that. · 214 days ago ·

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travel_vic · EVER? ALL time? surely you jest. the breed has been around, officially since about 1750, and it ALL THAT TIME this one is BEST? Hogwash · 214 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · LAZMANNICK, Buckpasser, travel_vic, footlick, Mary Z, zxswordxz, cocoa2, and others who don't come to mind right now but are here, thank you for the balance, objectivity and facts you provide on this sight which also gives me the luxury of sitting back and reading a thread with thorough enjoyment, and many times amusement. Dani, I realize you're involved in this sport and have first hand knowledge of thoroughbred's and as you've stated have studied racing for 10 years. However some points of view I have. The above mentioned people along with others have centuries of both first hand knowledge and study. To keep this short the most important aspect of any argument you take part in (and you can look through your comments) is you have never felt you were in error on a single point, let alone any argument. If you really want intelligent converstation I suggest in all good faith you entertain the possiblity you're not infallable. I say this because you have great potential as a contributor but not with the absolute "need to be right" attitude which will be your undoing. If I didn't think you were worth it I wouldn't waste my time, but I do, so I hope you take this as constructive. Have a nice evening. · 214 days ago ·

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railbird33 · Greatest horse ever,,, always brings out the best comments on this site. One piece of information I would like to see, did Frankel set any stakes or track records in his fourteen wins. ?? That's the true test of the greatest, not beating the other horses in the gate IMO · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · If your horse blows away field after field, WHY push him to gain some track record. There is no bonus money for that. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Test of greatness are all about ADAPTATION and that often is overcoming things normally a handicap: weight carrying, running in differeing styles over differing surfaces, in all weather, with different riders, and against the best. Take a horse like JOhn Henry: longevity, weight carrying, took on all comers on both surfaces for a LONG time. Those accumulative accolades spell champion. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Or, find a horse that just changes the history of the game with a uniqueness heretofore never seen: Speed Fager, overcoming racing style: Zenyatta, PURE speed at a distance too; Secretariat. These were not perfect but so unique that they deserve the title of immortals in racing. · 213 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · railbird, that is by far the worst test. A record is nice to have, but a lot of things can go into times, one of the biggest being the track. Quality Road set a record in the Florida Derby, but it was his Donn record i respect, since his FD record came over a very souped up track. Position and pace can also play a huge roll in that. If the pace is slow, you most likely won't see a closer rushing up and getting a record. Sometimes even when the pace is quick a closer may not set a record due to a pace meltdown. Brilliance, body of work, longevity, and versatility are all much better ways to assess a horse's greatness. · 213 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Thanks, icy. I enjoy your comments, too. Tim, don't feel left out :) · 213 days ago ·

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footlick · Thanks icy. It is nice to be included in that group. You bring alot to the table also, don't forget. I especially appreciate you knowledge on standardbreds. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · COcoa again shows his ignornace. NOT every horse is governed by pace. Affirmed and Fager WERE the pace and evey one else reacted to them · 213 days ago ·

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railbird33 · As T_V and others have pointed out, greatness doesn't have a clear measure; wins, times, earnings, competiton, endurance, can all figure into the mix. In my 40 + years as a handicapper and fan, I know I've missed 90% of the great ones. · 213 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Icy. Very flattered to be included in such a group. Always love hearing from a fellow harness fan and well as someone who knows betting and thoroughbred racing as well as you do. · 213 days ago ·

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bernardini3 · Frankel is obviously an amazing horse which can be and should be understood by all horsemen. But there is no way I could possibly classify Frankel ast he greatest horse of all time. He never ventured from where he was comfortable to challenge the champions of America. Now we'll never know how good he truly was... · 213 days ago ·

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bernardini3 · Frankel is obviously an amazing horse which can be and should be understood by all horsemen. But there is no way I could possibly classify Frankel ast he greatest horse of all time. He never ventured from where he was comfortable to challenge the champions of America. Now we'll never know how good he truly was... · 213 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · Bernardini, how often do American champions travel to Europe? almost never. enough with the double standards. · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Travel_vic again shows his ignorance. Dr. Fager was beat by 15 lengths due to him being governed by pace. Affirmed was also governed by pace. If he was pressed a closer could come and win. Ignorance, pure ignorance. · 213 days ago ·

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likin sparks · Good write up Laura and yes Frankel has been one of the greatest in modern times. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · you made a blanket statement about ALL races are goverened ypace. NOT when a horse gets out front and dictates it to the entire field, they are not afffected by it. · 213 days ago ·

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freddycaple · Definitely a great. Say "all time" really is difficult when thinking about it over a span of time. So much changes over the years. I do believe he is one of the greatest though. derbydeals.com · 212 days ago ·

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likin sparks · One thing I really admire is that Frankel went all 14 with out any race day medication. Just shows that horses can be freaks without doping. · 212 days ago ·

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travel_vic · There are many who believe Secretariat "couldn't have been so dominant" without drugs, but then they never stood next to him like I did, tiwce, and no different. · 212 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · I think it's really difficult to compare the all-time great horses across generations, but I agree with Brian Zipse. In my 30+ years now of following the sport Frankel is definitely among the very best horses I've ever seen!! I don't know that I can remember any other horse who's first big initial burst of speed when ask for run just left fields for dead the way Frankel's initial burst did. The "so-called" experts and racing fans alike will be debating for years to come whether Frankel was the greatest of all time or not? Regardless of whether you feel he was or wasn't? We're not likely to see another horse of his caliber for another 20 or 30 years, IMO. I think everyone would agree that Frankel was absolutely an amazing animal to watch on a racetrack!! · 212 days ago ·

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likin sparks · You know TV, many of us would envy that and just being able to see Secretariat or Frankel race live would be a life lasting memory. · 212 days ago ·

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travel_vic · ALL here, owe it to yourself to save your money, write the various farms in and around Lexington, and go there. GO THERE in November: not much going on, it is cold so many stay away. it is often just you and the stallion as it was for me an Alydar, Sect, Bid, Cougar, Ack Ack, Prospector, Tom Rolfe, In Reality, Dmascus, Polish Navy, Nijinsky, Ferdinand, Cox's Ridge, Slew, Slew O'Gold, Gato del Sol, Bodl Forbes,Exceller, ....when you are there by yourself, you "own" the place. Al the fams addresses are on line. Devil's Bag, Danzig etc all there to see one on one when I visited in November. · 212 days ago ·

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notobsessed · Great advice, tv! I'd much rather see them up close like that and plan on doing a farm tour in a coiuple of years. · 212 days ago ·

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notobsessed · right after I learn to type · 212 days ago ·

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Frankel fires to seven length Juddmonte success‏

Could the 1 1/2 mile Prix de L'Arc de Triomphe be next for the world's best horse?Read More

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AndyScoggin · Running in the Arc is a win-win situation for Frankel. You can't sit at home an expect to be called the best. · 274 days ago ·

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likin sparks · Honestly I feel there isn't a turf race he can't win. · 274 days ago ·

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northport · I doubt it but it would be amazing if he did! · 274 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · They'll never run him against that German filly Danedream. And another one hits the sheds, and another one hits the sheds. Keep him away from that little filly or she'll break his heart. Obviously they agree. · 274 days ago ·

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footlick · everyone wanted him to stretch out. now he has and of course he is expected to do more because he will never do enough · 274 days ago ·

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zatt · He was a great two-year-old, and he has gotten much better each year. Today he is a monster! Wish I had been with you today, Dan! · 274 days ago ·

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footlick · icy- really? I think it might be the other way around. Nathaniel is not Frankel. She barely beat him. I like her a lot, but a filly would need to be extra exceptional, like a Dahlia or an Allez France. Not sure Danedream is at that level. · 274 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · I love the headline, but it's wishful thinking on Horseracingnation's part, as well as the few other thousand turf writers from around the world who within 5 minutes of Frankel dismantling Fahrr and St Nicholas Abbey by an easy 7 lengths at 10-1/2 f, started calling out for Frankel to be taken to Longchamp and let him take on the best of the best at 12f in this year's Arc. I don't think there's anyone who is or isn't a fan of Frankel that wouldn't love to see him tackle the Arc? But everyone closely involved with team Frankel, I.E., Sir Henry Cecil, Prince Khalid Abdullah, and Lord Teddy Grimthorpe, have all remained stead fast with the media that the plan for Frankel from day 1 of the 2012 season will not be changed. They're all 3 on record now as saying no Arc for Frankel, no Breeders Cup for Frankel. Frankel's last hurrah will be in the spot light of Champions Day at Ascot in October. Where Sir Henry Cecil has said repeatedly that Frankel will run his final race in the G1 Champion Stakes at Ascot that day, and will then be retired to stud. I'm assuming for Juddmonte Farms? Can't imagine Prince Khalid Abdullah letting Frankel get away from Juddmonte to go stand for any other stable with a breeding operation in the world. · 273 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · They're not on records at all, ILuvTurfRacing. It's common guess that the QIPCO race will indeed be the last but Lord Grimthorpe was on UK TV tonight saying, and I quote, that 'Options will remains open. He's not in the Arc but the horse will tell us what he wants to do'. Sir Henry Cecil can barely speak at the moment and has not given comment onthe Arc · 273 days ago ·

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edgaropena · C'mon HRN quit it with the gossip, this ain't news. As ILuvTurfRacing stated, there will be no Arc. Does not matter if Frankel does not head to the Arc and whoever else needs to compete to further legitimize his awesome career. His Timeform rating @ Royal Ascot this year is the highest rating ever in their 64 year. So if you still think Frankel is not a freak e-mail Timeform and tell them their 64 year old system (which is likely before you were born) of rating horses is useless. · 273 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Although the Timeform is old and people like it .. It is just a number assigned to a horse.. The only true number that matters is wins... He should go in the arc.. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · Dancing Brave went to the Arc and won even though it was farther than he wanted to go. Brigadier Gerard didn't go to the Arc and obviously it didn't hurt his reputation. I'd rather he go where they want to place him. As far as wins, Tim, he has 13, and he stretched out just as you asked. Now of course it isn't enough for people. There was a time that people would be grateful that a horse like Frankel was running. Now it is just wanting more and more and more. · 273 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · I am grateful he is amazing no doubt that is the whole point... There are still feats to reach... Nathanial,Danedream,Orfevre,camelot etc... Why not proclaim you are entering the ARC send out a press release that anyone who thinks they have the best horse in the world be there or zip it... 13 Wins why not do 20.. add in dubai,Breeders cup arc whatever ..I am a Fan not an owner remember ? I want to see him take on orfevre at 1 and a half why shouldnt I want that? rambled i know sorry · 273 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Tim I hope the Tooth Fairy has your correct address. Something tells me you're going to get a visit tonight. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · because, tim, then it will be the Japan Cup and then the Dubai WC and on and on. If you look at the performances of common foes, Nathaniel is no contest. At 12 furlongs Danedream is strong, but she may not get to the same form she was in the Arc. We will see how Orfevre performs. But, obviously no amount of wins and races will be enough, and that to me is sad. · 273 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · So by your own admission Danedream and Orfevre could potentially run with Frankel? I said State publically you are entering the Arc and call out the worlds best.. If no one shows so be it at least no one can say you did not try... Why is it sad to want to see the best vs the best? · 273 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · HAHA you are so funny Laz .. get a life.. Frankel is 4 years old could easily race 3 more times this year.. WE ARE FANS... WE DONT CARE ABOUT BREEDING... I am aware that Frankel will retire after his next race but why does that mean I should be happy about it? I hope I get at least 5 bucks from the fairy tonight. · 273 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Tim there's nothing wrong with wanting more. I totally agree with you in that respect, but I don't think we can expect to get more. BTW I'm betting you'll get at least a ten spot. · 273 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · That wasn't much of a testosterone fest. It rather fizzled. · 273 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Kinda got me thinking of putting on wings, but charging the hubby. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · Don;t put words In my mouth, tim. Danedream and Orfevre's best chance at even coming close to Frankel would be at 12 furlongs, as long as he could not get the distance. At 10.5f or shorter they are not in his league. So their ability to get 12 furlongs combined with Frankel maybe not being able to stay 12 furlongs might get him beat. But Frankel's inability to get the distance would be their only chance. If he can stay the distance they are outclassed. It is sad that no matter what he does you will keep demanding more and not enjoy, as you clearly don't. You have railed on him for his entire 3 and 4 yr old career, touting the 2 Dans as equals, etc, etc. And then making swipes that he is a turf horse. You do not appreciate, and a fan appreciates. Everything is a demand for more. But I don't hear those demands for other horses. Well, you demanded he run 10 furlongs, and he demolished a field at 10.5 furlongs. And you proved that it wasn't enough. And you are wrong. A fan cares about breeding, because without breeding there will be no horses. He has run 3 full seasons. Rail about all the horses being retired in this country prematurely. Don;t rail on about Frankel. He did what you demanded and passed the test easily. Maybe you should start demanding that · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · Wise Dan go to the Arc or the Champions and challenge him. Then we can see if Wise Dan would defeat Frankel. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · In fact I like the idea of Wise Dan running in the Arc. That would be a real test for America's best horse. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · Let the best run against the best. · 273 days ago ·

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likin sparks · It would have been something to see Frankel and So You Think race and wouldn't matter who would win, just to see the two run on the same track would be awesome. · 273 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · Lazmannick, that sounded like a threat. In order for Tim to be visited by the Tooth Fairy he has to lose a tooth- or have it knocked out. · 273 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · loran53....I imagine that Tim still has all his teeth. Maybe he stuffs a fake one under his pillow every night hoping for the best. · 273 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · I doubt the tooth fairy would fall for it. But $5-$10 for a tooth! It's amazing how inflation has jacked up the price. I only used to get a quarter. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · you thought you hit the goldmine if you got 50 cents.... · 273 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · "Please Sir, May I Have Some More? In a scene from the Dickens novel, Oliver Twist, the boy asks for a second helping of porridge. "Please Sir, may I have some more?" he asks in a sweet English accent. "MOOORRRE?!" shouts the man in charge. "MOOOOORRRRE?!? The boy knows the answer to the question, and runs. He was lucky to get what he got." It would seem we haven't come far at all. · 273 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Loran you still get a quarter don't you? · 273 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Icy that sounds like a chapter from that old degenerate Captain Highliner’s novel, “Do you want to go to sea Billy?” · 273 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · "Frankel receives lofty 140 ranking again" I do appreciate this horse and my only fuss is wanting to see him run more. I still haven't gotten over Secretariat being retired as a 3yo. The thing is I can appreciate the view point of the owner when you have a horse with a conservative value of 170 million dollars you want to start getting a return on investment. Then again how much money does a person need, let him run Prince. · 273 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Is that the 2nd or 3rd 140+, according to Brisnet it's the 2nd but I thought I remembered a 142 and 147 before this 140 · 272 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · No Laz, I still lose a tooth now and then but the Tooth Fairy has forgotten me. Icy, I haven't gotten over Secretariat retiring at 3 either. I would like to see Frankel race another year. Horses like that come along once in a blue moon. · 272 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · loran53: Wow, I didn't recall Secretariat retiring at three. I thought he ran as a 4-year-old. I guess I thought his age was 4 because he ran six more times after winning the Belmont. It's not often that a horse runs in the Belmont, and then runs six more times in his/her 3-year-old campaign. · 272 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · It was a lot more common then, Ruffian. Yeah, you never see it now. I think we're getting close to the point where the voters for HOY will have to choose between horses that have only had 2 or 3 starts for the year. · 272 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Sometimes it’s not the number of races, but the number of years that a horse has been in training. Frankel is in his third year of competing and that can be tough mentally on a horse and sometimes make them dull and uninterested. Secretariat raced two years, the Bid, Slew, Affirmed and many others raced until four. The days of Kelso and his 8 year career are long gone, at least for quality horses that aren’t geldings. To me, Frankel is like Ghostzapper. Wowed by their performances, waiting patiently for their next race, and then before you know it, they’re gone. At least we have YouTube. · 272 days ago ·

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footlick · I wasn't going to post anymore, but just to clear up the confusion for icy, this is the second consecutive 140 Racing Post rating for Frankel. It is a different rating system than Timeform. · 272 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · ty footlick, Brisnet was right then. I misunderstood. I know I make a fuss like a child"but I want more." I don't think I'll see another like him, fitting he was named Frankel. A muslim naming the horse of a generation after a jew, maybe there is hope. · 272 days ago ·

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TimSmith · Im with icy.. I selfishly want to see more. · 272 days ago ·

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TimSmith · PS the tooth is under the pillow , I really hope the fairy comes. · 272 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · She requires a magic wand to do that. · 272 days ago ·

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footlick · I just wanted you to know that Bris was quoting Racing Post ratings. Others are using Timeform and there are the IWR ratings also. As far as anything else about the subject of Frankel, I have no comment anymore. · 272 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · For the moment. But may I add, Frankel, W.I.N.Z. He's Frankel. · 272 days ago ·

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TimSmith · ARC why not? for me. come on · 272 days ago ·

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footlick · Mary Z.- you always put a smile on my face ;P · 272 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · ;) I giggle at your sometimes bad language, footy. I enjoy many of your comments--all of the ones I agree with, LOL. · 272 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · I don't profess to know a hell of a lot? But this much I do know. Frankel handled 10-1/2f at York with as much ease as he's handled 8f everywhere else he's been. He disposed of two 130 Timeform rated horses in Fahrr and St Nicholas Abbey by an easy 7 furlongs with contempt. What I saw out of Frankel at York at that distance makes me feel confident in saying that even if the Juddmonte International had been ran at 12f instead of 10-1/2f, Frankel would've still had a minimum of 4 to 5 lengths on a 2-time G1 Coronation Cup and G1 BC Turf winner, IMO. Short of a British SAS sniper popping up and plugging Frankel the next time he pops out of the starting gate, there's not a doubt in my mind that Frankel retires undefeated, and I don't care if he goes to the Arc De Triomphe over 12f at Longchamp? Or the Champion Stakes over 10f at Ascot? Tom Queally proved once and for all at York that this beast can be ridden with restraint early on in the race and still produce that devasting turn of foot when it's called on!! · 271 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · A few days ago I posted that horses like Frankel come along once in a blue moon. I just found out that there's a blue moon Aug 31st! · 270 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Looking forward to it for months now, loran. 5 months. · 269 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · Dare I ask why? · 269 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Thinkin' it fits the timeline given 5 months ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qXIfK4iJg8 · 269 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · Beautiful song but what timeline? · 269 days ago ·

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likin sparks · I don't follow the Euro racing to much but would like to know when Frankel may return to action? · 269 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · So I guess Sir henry's Cancer and his inability to travel is why they kept Frankel in england and not headed for France. give Sir Henry a break. Champions Stakes is just fine. Where are all the top 10f horses over there dodging him like at York?. The Champions will be a sham of a field because regardless of where Frankel runs, the others will run to the other race. He goes to the ARC the others will run The Champions, and Japan Cup, if he goes to the Champions....everyone else runs for the ARC. · 237 days ago ·

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Frankel to stay in England

To the disappointment of many, the great horse will run next in Ascot's Champion Stakes on October 20.Read More

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MichaelArndt · Way too many breakdowns on that Santa Anita dragstrip to risk the greatest horse since Secretariat there. It would have been neat to see him attempt the Arc, but 12 furlongs is by no means his best distance in anyones estimation, so this is probably the route I would go if I owned him as well. · 265 days ago ·

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northport · agree with michael. I wouldn't risk bringing him to santa anita just to face lesser caliber horses on a bull track. It would have been great to at least see him in the arc, but the champion stakes will still be amazing anyway · 265 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · Is it me or does that jockey look like he weight more than 150lbs? · 265 days ago ·

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likin sparks · As much as I like Frankel and realize how great he is I would like Camelot to win this race and become the English Triple Crown champion. Since 1970 when Nijinsky won there have been only 3 horse to win two of the races Nashwan, Sea The Stars and Camelot. If anything I would hope for a deadheat between Frankel and Camelot but seems very unlikely to happen. · 265 days ago ·

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candice.c.curtis · likin sparks the final leg of the English TC is the St. Ledger, not the British Champions stakes. · 265 days ago ·

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joseph.weil.14 · Great horse but I will make this easy: If Barcelona played division 2 competition every game then they would win easily to and · 265 days ago ·

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joseph.weil.14 · Chicken shit connections denying this horse a higher place in history should run the Arc or BC and when he wins his last against lesser by 10 everyone will know great champs must reach deep at least once · 265 days ago ·

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travel_vic · It takes great aability and LUCK to win both the Arc and the K Derby...They know that as much as we do. Trainers, the good ones, are aking to boxing amnagers: they find the situations that make their horse look good. · 265 days ago ·

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likin sparks · Thanks Candice, I read it incorrectly in the Wiki...anyways lets hope C wins the ST Ledger it! · 265 days ago ·

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likin sparks · Also think for now I'll just stick to the races on my side of the pond ;-) · 265 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · Like most, I feel like the 10 to 10-1/2f question got answered at York. It would've awesome to see Frankel put that greatness on display at 12f at Longchamp in the Arc De Triomphe. Nathaniel, Cirrus Des Aigles, or any other horse that runs against Frankel at 10f at Ascot in the Champion Stakes will play second fiddle that day, IMO. You can bet the farm the Champion Stakes will also be Frankel's final race of his career. He will not come to Santa Anita in November for the Breeders Cup. IMO, he'll win the G1 Champion Stakes in October and be retired unbeaten within a few days after the race. · 265 days ago ·

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stevestylesclark · I agree with everyone and anyone who wishes to see Frankel The Freak in the ARC or Breeders Cup (Turf Race at least) but it is funny how the only people who want Frankel to race in those races is all of us who have watched him dominate everything he does. Do you really think any trainers for horses in the ARC or BC want Frankel there? I think Baffert, Pletcher, and the Likes would pull out horses in the race Frankel entered. I wish I wish I wish he would run here in the states once, but my only hope is he isn't ready to retire after the year and the race him at Dubai or something. I am selfish, and just want to see him race more anywhere to tell the truth! · 265 days ago ·

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footlick · whatever Sir Henry Cecil decides is fine with me. My prayers are with him in his battle with cancer. · 265 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Everyone knew this was coming... dissapointing but at least he will race 1 more time,,, AAAAH what could have been. · 265 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · I love assholes like Joseph who don't realize Sir Henry always travels withFrankel, and considering he has stomach cancer, and has been battling it you would show some F**KING RESPECT. Nobody give two Sh!ts what your opinion is and trust me if Frankel went in the ARC the other would run and hide..... · 247 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · So because his trainer ALLWAYS travels with his horse and cant make the flight to France we should as fans not care to see Orfevre,Frankel,Danedream,SnowFairy etc?? Send him with your brother sister aunt or mother I could care less he NEEDS to be in the Arc.. · 247 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Where were you thinking Frankel would face Orfevre and Danedream at 12f, MarcelloM? · 247 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · P.S., MM, You'd have to come up with some new combination of profane words before I'd even notice you might be ticked off. · 247 days ago ·

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footlick · So nice to see that you have such a big heart timgsmith10. Let's hope you never know what he is going through. A very crass, cold comment. · 247 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Was it deleted? · 247 days ago ·

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notobsessed · I don't understand why they need to fly him all over the world to prove to some people that he is the best, just leave him where he is and let him run where he is accustomed to · 247 days ago ·

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footlick · Sometimes, Mary Z., you have to have enough compassion for someone suffering that what you want and what you think a horse NEEDS, as was emphasized, is transcended by the situation at hand. I thought the comment that only cares about what somebody else wants without any compassion for what the trainer is going through was crass and cold. Maybe I'm the only one, but there are some lines in my opinion you don't cross. This horse is obviously very special to Sir Henry and if he wants to be where the horse runs, then that's fine with me. If others, who have no connection whatsoever with the horse, feel differently that is their prerogative. I just rubbed me the wrong way. · 246 days ago ·

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karen.sweatman.9 · They don't have to do anything to prove Frankel is a top notch horse, best running today, no doubt, but to say he is the greatest of all time and act as though he is the second coming of Christ**** Well, that takes alot more proving in my book. · 246 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I get ya, footy. There's a situation to a different degree right here in the States. I se which comment you were referring to now; just didn't think it was as cold, just about being competition minded.. · 246 days ago ·

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aj.mindiola · Once again Frankel will faces the same tomato cans he always faces, stop calling him the greatest horse in the world..Go ahead and retire him cause we just laugh at him in America · 242 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Count me out of we. I don't laugh at Frankel, and I don't call all of his competition "tomato cans". · 242 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · But it is kinda crappy that they wont take on the ARC.. How can it not? Is he better than Danedream? Orfevre? SnowFairy? We will never know..BOOOOOO · 242 days ago ·

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Frankel Dominates Juddmonte International

Scores 13th career victory by seven lengths!Read More

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deirdre.boyne.9 · I knew he'd win. Great job, Frankel. · 274 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · what a awesome race, just a shake and boom he wins. Frankel is fantastic! · 274 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · Frankel handled 10-1/2f today at York with as much ease as he's handled 8f over the past couple of seasons. He ambled into contention at his own leisure and totally blew apart G1 Coral-Eclipse runner-up, Farhh, and back to back G1 Coronation Cup and G1 BC Turf winner, St Nicholas Abbey by an easy 7 lengths in the Juddmonte International Stakes. Almost immediately after the race ended, the cries from many in the racing media started to allow Frankel to go to Longchamp and face the best of Europe's best over 12f in the G1 Prix De l' Arc De Triomphe. But Juddmonte Farms owner, Prince Khalid Abdullah, told RacingUK post Juddmonte International that the same plan that Sir Henry Cecil, Lord Teddy Grimthorpe, and himself have had for Frankel all along will not change because of this victory. He said no Arc De Triomphe for Frankel, no Breeders Cup for Frankel. He will run one more race in the G1 Champion Stakes at 10f in October at Royal-Ascot, and then Frankel will be retired to stud. Even if the Champion Stakes turns out to be Frankel's last hurrah, I still feel damn privileged to have bore witness to the ability this mighty champion possessed in my lifetime!! · 274 days ago ·

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footlick · very true. It has been a privilege. Well said. · 274 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · Now there is no reason to question Frankel's ability · 274 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I've haven't questioned his ability since he beat Canford Hills as a 3yo but Is the name of this game breeding or racing. One of the best England ever had. Didn't Zenyatta beat a couple in that group today EZ? · 274 days ago ·

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footlick · icy- not on their home turf. And Frankel has raced for 3 seasons now, longer than many. But the money is in breeding. Be thankful they have run him as long as they have. They didn't need to. · 274 days ago ·

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RichardBlakley · This horse needs to run in the ARC! · 273 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Many odds on horses have faltered in the Bois de Boulogne. It has a notable UPHILL STRETCH · 273 days ago ·

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yukichan · Frankel has won at Newmarket/Rowley which has a notable uphill final furlong finish. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · yukichan- the Arc trip is rather unique where there is also a false straight before the final straight. And remember his uphill urns were at 8 furlongs, not 12. It may not make a difference, but it is 4 furlongs farther with an uphill final run · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · should have been "runs" not "urns" · 273 days ago ·

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TimSmith · They have the best horse ..why not run in the best races... He can make 12F without breaking a sweat... The Juddmont solidified his greatness to me.. And I was all over the connections before this race. More 10-12 F please... Arc is logical · 273 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I guess I haven't understood some racing concepts and of life in general since I was born. Why should I be happy to support anything that doesn't give me maximum satisfaction when I'm paying and they can but don't? Why should a horse racing on a tiny Island, who's owners waited two full years to show his best be considered the best when he hasn't met the best. In her 2010 trip to the BCC Zenyatta traveled farther than this horses lifetime totality in miles and that's just a recent example. If this is horse racing, then race them, otherwise close the show! The idea that I should be thankful for the greed thrown in my face is insulting, oh for the days of Kelso. · 273 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · icy, I keep reading that the top turf racing is in England. disagree that Frankel's owner waited two full years to show his best. I think he's been showing that, at the mile, for some time. Oh for the days of fill in the blank. You don't have to be happy or thankful for anything. P.S., I'm sure she was out grazing today, just to add to your reference. · 273 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Maybe the solution is a Secret Gelder who wears a mask, takes from the rich and gives to the poor (us). I think a lot of these sound and unsound horses would find strength to race for their owners again. I think I'll go back to standardbred where they race em 20 time a year put em away then bring em out the next year. This is BS and I'm not happy nor should I be. They got 33% more out of Secretariat and he was the one who showed them the path to the gold and ruination of thoroughbred racing so why should anyone like this guy who can only run on grass. · 273 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Why should anyone like a horse that only runs on dirt or only sprints or only you name it. Frankel wins med free and I hope American mares are bred to him. Enjoy the standardbreds and the past greats, icy. Looking forward to your weekend picks. I'll be figuring out my picks later. · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · icy-you can say and believe whatever you want. They also have the right to do what they want with their horse. As far as stretching Frankel out, I have stated the reason it took so long, as Sir Henry has said it many times and has been confirmed by Frankel's jockey. Cecil did not want to stretch Frankel out until he learned to relax behind horses. He has not done that until this year. I think the constant retirement of the 3 yr old crop this year would be far more worrying · 273 days ago ·

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footlick · Grass is the racing of the world, not dirt · 273 days ago ·

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Frankel locks horns with St Nicholas Abbey‏

On Wednesday, Sir Henry Cecil's exceptional four year old colt, Frankel, bids to further enhance his reputation in his inaugural attempt at the ten furlongs trip in the Juddmonte International.Read More

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UnionRagsRules · Wow... Frankel is getting more and more compition! · 276 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Let's see what the great horse can do a quarter mile further than he's ever been before! · 276 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · This will be tough. Not only is he going farther than before but he is also facing a monster in St. Nicholas Abbey. It'll be a lot, watch for a late scratch. · 276 days ago ·

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edgaropena · 2 errors in this Article: 1) St. Nicholas Abbey lost to Cirrus de Aigles in the 2012 Dubai Sheema Classic, not 2011 2) It is actually around 10.5 (10fur +88yards), not 10 furs. · 276 days ago ·

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NickGunritz · Frankel will win with ease like usual. · 276 days ago ·

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edgaropena · Oh, I forgot to say. Frankel will win and make Sir Henry Cecil and Bobby Frankel proud. His timeform of 147 is no joke. · 276 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Glad to see you enjoyed the article, Edgar ;) · 276 days ago ·

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rafirox · This is going to be tough for Frankel. He will go way further than ever before, and face TOUGHER horses than ever. I'm not a BIG fan of euro racing, although I do believe Twice Over, Farhh, and St. Nicholas Abbey are great horses. I'm not saying Frankel won't win, but I don't think he'll win with ease. · 276 days ago ·

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MuchoMachoGirl · Nathaniel not in? · 276 days ago ·

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northport · no nathaniel, gosden opting to send him irish champion stakes next month. · 276 days ago ·

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yukichan · I actually think his competition will come from Planteur, who is most definitely a 10F type, and who has defeated the likes of Cirrus des Aigles and Cape Blanco. And he is coming off a freshening. I am not so sure St. Nick will relish the 1 1/4 (and 88 yds), even with the pacesetters. Frankel continues to bring his own pacesetter in Bullet Train anyway. Cecil has been targeting this specific race, and I do not see Frankel losing. · 276 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I've been saying for over a year that Frankel could get this distance, so I'm sticking with him in his first 10f test. · 276 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Im curious to know what odds Frankel will go off at. · 276 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · The stamina question of whether Frankel will stay further than a mile is getting ready to be answered on Wednesday in the G1 Juddmonte International Stakes at York over 10f. Personally, I think Frankel will stay 10 or even 10-1/2f standing on his head. I'm a big fan of St Nicholas Abbey, also. But not at this trip. I think 12f is a minimum trip for SNA nowadays. But times SNA has raced at 10f in Ireland, he's been defeated by horses far inferior to himself. I think Planteur at his best could be the biggest threat, and I could possibly see Farhh closing the gap a little bit from what Frankel put between them in the G1 Sussex Stakes recently at a mile. But here's the thing, if stamina really doesn't turn out to be an issue for Frankel, and he's still able to show that blistering turn of foot he has at the end of 10f with the same level of devastation that he's shown it over a mile, than who the hell is honestly ever gone catch this beast? If Frankel handles 10f as easily as I'm predicting he will, he'll blow apart the middle distance division with however many races are left in his career with the same ease he's blown apart the mile division. But that's only one man's opinion. · 276 days ago ·

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likin sparks · This race should be no more than a jog in the park, hitting the 2 mile mark would concern me because he may start to tire, just a little. · 276 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Thank god he is moving on to 10+ !! this makes me happy. · 276 days ago ·

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travel_vic · EVEN in Europe, pace will make the race, THAT IS if anyone can go with this one late. BUT at the distance that is a real possibility · 275 days ago ·

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Mr. Thirsty · Does anyone know who won or what time the race starts US Eastern time? · 274 days ago ·

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notobsessed · I think it is 9:45 eastern · 274 days ago ·

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MattBernier · 8 minutes to post EST. · 274 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · 10:45EST · 274 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · 3 wt 7 wt 246 wt 246 super · 274 days ago ·

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likin sparks · Frankel, "My God what a performance" is right Ms Commentator! I guess the 2 mile morning gallops makes this race just a drop int he bucket for him. Please Sir Cecil send him to the BC, pweese. · 274 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Beautiful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr_ChX6Jv4s · 274 days ago ·

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Frankel Tries Ten Furlongs in Juddmonte

FRANKEL steps into the unknown on Wednesday when he tackles 1m2f for the first time in the Juddmonte International. Read More

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2012 Juddmonte Internati...

Two days ago, Racing Post.com reported that Cirrus Des Aigles WILL NOT take on Frankel in the G1 Juddmonte International Stakes at York on August 22nd. The race to be Frankel's first go at 10f. The connections of Cirrus Des Aigles said the infection he developed awhile back on one of his ankles still hasn't healed yet to the point they feel he's ready for the Juddmonte International. Cirrus Des Aigles hasn't raced since finishing 2nd to the filly Golden Lilac in the G1 Prix D'Ispahan back in May. The injury to Cirrus Des Aigles had already previously forced him to miss possible dates in both the G1 Grand Prix De Saint-Cloud and the G1 King George. Then yesterday, AtTheRaces.com reported that trainer John Gosden has said that Nathaniel will also likely be an absentee for the Juddmonte International, too. Saying that his connections are leaning more toward sending him to Leopardstown in early September for the G1 Irish Champion Stakes. I think there was a lot of excitement about the possibility of rematch between Frankel and Nathaniel given that Frankel had beaten Nathaniel only a 1/2 length in what was the very first race of both's career back in 2010. So assuming that Cirrus Des Aigles and Nathaniel are both out of the JIS, it looks like Coolmore would possibly have the strongest hand to left to play against Juddmonte Farms and Frankel. Since they still have both St Nicholas Abbey, Imperial Monarch, and Daddy Long Legs all still entered in the JIS as of now.

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The Legacy of Frankel

With an assist from William Shakespeare, Zipse at the Track offers his perspective on the career crossroads the world's best has reached.Read More

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AndyScoggin · I would love to see Frankel run at any place or any distance. C'mon make his namesake proud and race him in the country of Bobby Frankel. · 295 days ago ·

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yukichan · I see no problem with Frankel handling the Juddmonte, which has always been a goal (perhaps more of a goal of his owner, who is sponsor of the JI). His maturity as a 4 yr-old and ability to relax will help him get the 1 1/4, along with his pedigree and class. I am thrilled that Cecil is also considering the Championship, also at 1 1/4. Watching talent is never boring, be it at 1 mile or 1 1/4, be it a 100m or a marathon. Supreme talent is breathtaking. I saw it today. · 295 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · If there was ever a time to cash in some frequent flyer miles to the UK, August 20th might be the time to do it. I'd even battle the Olympic crowds with a smile on my face for what is going to come on August 22nd. It never gets boring to watch this horse. When he explodes at the 2f marker it gives me goosebumps · 295 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · He will absolutely destroy the Juddmonte Field. Do you people not see for your own eyes how much he has changed in regards to how he runs. He went from a run and gun Miler to a Horse that has over every race this year rated, and exploded when asked. He will leave ST.Nicholas Abbey, and Camelot, and whoever else Ballydoyle want to enter. This is a class horse, and you find him boring, well go tell the Euro connections to enter their horses against him. The Best miler for sure, and he will show that he is the best 10 furlong horse also. · 295 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Yes, bring on the distance. About the workout today, he can bore me anytime, lol. That was beautiful. · 295 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · I have no doubt he will win. But I thought the same of Zenyatta in the 2010 BCC. I hope he can do it though. · 295 days ago ·

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yukichan · Frankel's connections are now speaking of taking him to Longchamps for the Prix du Moulin. Just when Excelebration (last year's winner) thought he had this one in the bag... · 295 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · hah! Excelebration can't beat Frankel. How many times has he beat him? Twice? · 295 days ago ·

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northport · five times · 295 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · Even more than I expected. Why not make it a 6th time? · 295 days ago ·

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jasen.mangrum · I'd normally say if it ain't broke don't fix it, but I agree, I'd like to see him face new challenges. · 294 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Frankels connections are cowards.. · 294 days ago ·

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