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2012 Iowa Oaks (G3)

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Date/Track:

6/30/2012, Prairie Meadows

Post Time:

9:07 PM CT

Distance:

1 1/16 m (Dirt)

Age/Sex:

3 F

Time:

1:43.34

*Rank is current Power Ranking among all active horses, based on highest HRN rating. Rating is based on HRN member voting.

Fin

Silks

Horse / Sire

Rating

Trainer / Jockey

Last Start / Next Start

1st

Uptown Bertie
More Than Ready

7.27

S. Margolis
J. Leparoux

5th, 2012 Indiana Oaks (G2)

Sep 4 - ElP MSW (9/4/2011-R9)

2nd

Ice Cream Silence
Street Sense

5.84

G. Arnold
B. Hernandez

1st, 2013 Doubledogdare (G3)

Oct 23 - Kee MSW (10/23/2011-R6)

3rd

Emona
Hat Trick

G. Dorochenko
K. Tohill

3rd, 2012 Iowa Oaks (G3)

Apr 19 - Kee Allow (4/19/2012-R7)

4th

Livi Makenzie
Macho Uno

7.31

R. Moquett
G. Kuntzweiler

2nd, Kee AlwOC (4/25/2013-R3)

Dec 28 - FG AlwOC (12/28/2011-R6)

5th

Tapajo
Tapit

7.04

S. Asmussen
A. Birzer

5th, 2012 Desert Vixen (RS)

Sep 4 - Sar MSW (9/4/2011-R7)

6th

Ize In Trouble
Proud Citizen

B. Hone
G. Corbett

6th, 2012 Iowa Oaks (G3)

Mar 25 - Sunland Park Oaks (LS)

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BrianZipse · The perfect confidence building step to bigger things to come, much as his Turfway Park stakes race was last year. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Confidence again. That is HUMAN trait not an equine one. Horses are simply Pavlovian just like the classic dog salivating when a bell rings. These anmals do not have those complex barin functions and all their running is just a simple case of taking the fight or flight response and conditioning it to running on cue.....KISS Keep IT Simple S......Read anyone of several great books on animal condtioning to find out what is really happening not some antropomorhic fantasy or what is happening. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Konrad Lorenz rote the classic work in this regard · 325 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Could not disagree more, tv. · 325 days ago ·

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buckpasser · Look Vic I still believe that horses have various traits that we as humans ascribe human responses to in order to properly explain them. I have ridden competitively for years and my horse and I were a team. There were a few courses where he knew what to do better than I did. His responses were not Pavlovian. As to Hansen, the trainer did what every great past trainer did in a similar situation, dropped the horse down to get a win and build confidence. Say what you want, call it what you want, this is what it is · 325 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · Seabiscuit used to tease his opponents. Zenyatta did a little dance before each race. Is that Pavlonian? · 325 days ago ·

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buckpasser · What you are missing Vic is that there is a synergetic relationship among great horses and their owners and handlers. Seabiscuit was a tough cripple who partnered with Smith, Pollard and Howard who were all crippled in one way or another healed each other. And that bond brought out the greatest in each and in the end they helped heal a nation's psyche that was wounded by the great depression. That in many ways is the underlying point of Hillenbrands book. I doubt Zenyatta would have achieved the greatest she deserved without Sherriffs, Smith, the Mosses and Mario her groom. Same with Secretariat. That is A bond that defies easy and pat scientific explanation or Pavlovian response. · 325 days ago ·

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Armada · So apparently you think horses are all just dumb animals, travel_vic? If you see a dog cowering in a corner, would you not say that dog has no confidence? If you see a dog strut up to you with his tail held high, would you say he does have confidence? Why would it be any different with horses? Just because a horse or a dog or any other animal is not human does not mean he does not have characteristics we describe as human. Just because we describe these emotions as human (which people only do because they are human and as such have no other to compare them to... or are just dumb and feel they are superior) does not mean others in the animal kingdom do not feel what we feel. · 325 days ago ·

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Capper · So T.V. with your extensive knowledge of the history of racing...in all your years you've never seen a horse seem more confident in a change of scenery or even more a change in weather? You can't truly believe that,r · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · tv, I agree that anthropomorphism can be silly fantasy, but isn't it reasonable to use human terms, nouns, adjectives, etc, for persons such as my dog or horse persons such as Royal Delta, people like that? Do you have any horse persons that you will admit? · 325 days ago ·

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buckpasser · Let's put it another way. If dropping a horse into race that is an easy win for him doesn't work, why do it? · 325 days ago ·

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kay.robinett · Travel Vic, if you study mammalian neuroscience and neuroanatomy you will see that different areas of the brain govern emotion and what you would call "higher reasoning". Most mammalian species have brains which fully able to allow them to experience all or most of the emotions which humans feel. Higher reasoning functions are a different story. So while we are usually able to understand our emotions and the reasons why we have them and animals are not, does not mean that animals do not have emotions. Anyone who spends a lot of actual time with dogs, cats, horses, and other higher mammals knows that they do feel emotions and that each has its own distinct personality complete with quirks. An older book which explains this very well to any intelligent layman would be Carl Sagan's Dragons of Eden. · 325 days ago ·

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papillon · horses may not care about winning in the same way or for the same reason that humans do, but they are very sensitive creatures, and they pick up on the emotions of the humans around them, i gaurantee that horses enjoy the good vibes they pick up after a win, and dislike the bad vibes they pick up after a loss--building confidence works for the whole team--dominguez just won by ten in a hand ride--you know he was stoked when he looked back in the stretch, this restores his faith in his mount, maker is stoked and has had his faith in his charge restored, hansen is picking all that good will up, and i guarantee it is good for him · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · I have degrees in Zoology and Biology along with a life time of study. Animals are animals. Higher brai functions require both the anatomical threshold of size and complexity in order to regain higher brain functions. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Greatest epiphany in horse racing: Horses run and that is it, to the extent of their ability and form cycle. The rest is un-necessary complication. · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · That makes you more of a catch, for sure, tv, but you didn't really answer my question, unfortunately. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · It is a human frailty to ascribe "reason" for this or that happening. OFTEN of the time things happen randomly without reason no matter how much reason one re-writes to the event. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · you posed a question? where was it hidden? · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · You almost never answer the question I asked, come to think of it. You can't figue me out. I don't compute in that C3P0lian brain of yours. I will charm you yet, tv. Brace yourself. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · some hwere amidst the guttural trash talk there might be some question, but that horrid English does not allow one to elucidate it...Try again remember subject very\b and object · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · tv, What does "motivate" a horse to win? What natural incentive makes it try to take the lead if it's a closer for instance? Not a front runner trying to escape being eaten or running from fright or other theories you may have offered. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Simple: repittion with reward · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · wgat you regard is some "clsoing" on the pace is merely the OTHER pace horses decelerating: happens each and every day in each track · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · wgat(what) is the reward? · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · This one's next outing should at least have another looking at him for 6 furlongs. That race last night was a joke · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · reward varies by the training method.....Wake up early some moring, go out to the track and find out · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · He just can't handle me, yet. · 325 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · tv, They don't run the horses here in the summer. I'd have to fly up to your area and meet you for breakfast. · 325 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · The fact that your telling us that animals have no feelings is ridiculous tv. I don't care what form of degrees you hold, I've been around animals my entire life- I don't need a bunch of scientific facts that support what my eyes have seen. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · As stated, it is a human tendency to overwrite meaning upon which there is none. I love animals too, have all my life, but just am a realist as to what they do: they SURVIVE with instincts...HUMANS are the ones to make up interpreations on what they do based upon their experiences, that they THINK, are somehow equivalent to human experiences.. · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · look up the narrative fallacy · 325 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · I know what a narrative fallacy is thank you. Of course animal's survive with instincts- but so do humans. I too am a realist to what animals do, and it seems to me as if humans and animals aren't all that different. · 325 days ago ·

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notobsessed · repetition with reward? they get more attention, more praise, more carrots & peppermints if they win · 324 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Humans are TAUGHT all that they know. Hard wired instinctual behavior is not amongst those lessons. · 324 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Explain why babies into things into their mouth? It couldn't be instinctive to prevent the baby from starving? · 324 days ago ·

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notobsessed · humans are not taught all that they know, they are taught to overcome inherited instincts · 324 days ago ·

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notobsessed · this is getting silly, if we are going to get into human psychology vs horse psychology, we will need expert testimony from qualified experts in each field of study · 324 days ago ·

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travel_vic · yup they really have a time overcoming tay-sachs disease, cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia and the rest · 324 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Wonder what this colt has on his schedule NOW. Take on a challenge or hide away and steal a purse?? · 324 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · I had a dog who would wait until we got to the designated area of our apartment complex to relieve himself- when the ground was DRY. If it was raining or snowing or the ground was wet from recent precipitation he would go whereever he wanted. To me that shows the ability to reason. He figured the ground is wet anyway so it doesn't matter. Faulty reasoning but reasoning nonethe less. We could not break him of the habit. He knew we didn't want him to do that but he just figured "they're wrong so I'm gonna do it!" · 324 days ago ·

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travel_vic · conditioning: which goes back to an old Jewish saying "Don't Shit Hwre you Eat." Once the gustatory re-affirmation was established, the area was designated for fecal matter. Dog did the same thing: handy for clean up but cuase and effect is lackig sorely. · 324 days ago ·

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travel_vic · why do you think cats return to the same place everyday to relieve themselves? CONDITIONED reflex · 324 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · cocoa, maybe babies do that because their toys or whatever look like food to them or because that is a way to learn about something and also own it. I'll ask my oldest daughter who remembers everything from her birth(claims pre-) on. · 324 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · T-vic, I think you missed the whole point of what I said. I wasn't talking about fecal matter, I was talking about urination. It had nothing to do with ease of cleaning up. And yes, his going every day in the designated area WAS conditioned reflex, but going whereever he wanted when the ground was wet WASN'T. That required a very basic form of reasoning. · 324 days ago ·

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travel_vic · waste, whats the difference? · 324 days ago ·

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loran53@hotmail.com · (Sigh) Never mind. · 324 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · you cant argue with TV he doesnt read your post he just continues to babble away without reading the other side of the argument. · 323 days ago ·

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Mr. Thirsty · Well Paynter is rounding into one of the best of the class. · 323 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · He is an up and comer but needs to string together some victories.. · 323 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · On one hand, UR is being criticized at running one of the slowest Belmont's, and, THEN, Paynter is being praised, despite NOT winning the slowest Belmont. Think I'll pass. · 323 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · good point.. · 323 days ago ·

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notobsessed · I didn't get one of those cute little horses...I saw a little girl with one and she had a death grip on it... · 324 days ago ·

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buckpasser · Not obsessed. That little horse is cute. You might want to try eBay. Many of those things come up there. Also I hope you enjoyed seeing your favorite horse. Nothing beats going to the track and watching your favorite horse live. · 324 days ago ·

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daniel.c.butrum · you said it buckpasser. i drove 10 total hours to see Hansen run. drove there, watched him and came back home that night. nothing can beat any of those moments for me at a racetrack. · 324 days ago ·

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buckpasser · Daniel how true. Long trip but it is worth it. Hansens owner helped racing out a great deal by gaining new fans by racing his horse in Iowa. · 324 days ago ·

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notobsessed · All of the horses were beautiful, but it is so special to see one of your favorites · 324 days ago ·

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