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Breeders Cup 2015


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I don't think it's a given that Arrogate will be on the lead as many are concluding, although it's certainly possible. In his race prior to the Travers he stalked from 3rd in a 3-horse field through fractions of 24-48-112; a similar reflection of his last work. If he does run back even close to his Travers and Chrome was to press him on the lead, I don't see Chrome being in front at the wire. I know many assume that a wrapped up horse could run faster 'if he wanted to'. But a lot will depend on how the race unfolds. Consider this. Chrome's average speed in the PC was 37.2 mph with a final 1/4 in 24.44 secs. Most would agree that he ran well within himself for most if not all of the race. In the 2014 BCC however, his average speed was 38.2 mph and he ran an all out final 1/4 in 25.36 secs. Bayern won with a final time of 1:59.88. Chrome ran 41 ft or 4 3/4 lengths more than Bayern did. So theoretically, with a rail trip and generously giving him a 5 length/1 sec consideration, he finishes with about a 1:58.88 final time in the 2014 BCC. Interestingly enough, his 113 Beyer/112 Brisnet PC speed figure equaled what he received in the '14 Classic. His lifetime best. So are those saying that he is better now and can run faster than his theoretical fastest saying that he can break the 1:58 mark? I'd have to see that to believe it. Based on his previous figures it would take a freak performance above Arrogate's Travers to accomplish this as he would have to run fast throughout the entire race. If Arrogate does go early and Chrome tries to stay with him I believe he gets outrun in the last quarter. Arrogate has proven he can run fast, and then faster. For now I'll see the glass as half full and his Travers 'anomaly' more of a possibility than a probability. Again, a lot will depend on how the Classic unfolds.
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  • Kimberly Beth via Disqus · perfect! · 2 days ago
  • Pebbles via Disqus · His career best performance was on the lead. He is mature beyond his years and very professional, but why would you take him out of the position which yielded him his career best performance and despite what you have indicated, that performance was light years ahead of his past performances? I think one would be foolish to do so. He was working in company I believe just in case he gets an outside post or breaks poorly. Arrogate is bouncing next out. I doubt he is there at the end which is a shame because with a prep like Monarchos hot after his monster move in the Florida Derby he was primed to win. Each race is different. Each track is different. I think that Arrogate goes to the lead and tires from the pressure. It is one thing to have the Travers set up that Arrogate had with American Freedom and another to be on your own in the race. How much faster can Chrome run? We shall see. I think he can run as fast as he needs to run. Will I be surprised if Arrogate wins by open lengths. No. He could be the superstar his fans are heralding. But with my 25 years of experience it tells me that it is highly unlikely. But then again, I doubted Nyquist in the Derby and thought Beholder would win the Lady Secret and that Arrogate had no chance in the Travers. Would you have said that Frosted could run a 123 BSF in the Met Mile? I would not have. What indicators were there that Frosted could do this? To me the notion that because a horse has not run a faster number he is limited is pretty silly at this point. Look at American Pharoah. He had been running around 105 BSFs and delivered a 120 BSF for the BC Classic. For me if Arrogate had run as a 2 year old, or had a couple more stakes races in him I would have no problem picking him to win. But it is the lack of experience that really make me doubt him. And the likelihood of a bounce next out. · 20 hours ago
Arrogate is very much not a pretender; he is the real deal. As a three year old, he will certain to be up in the firing line when the gates open in the 'Classic'. This horse is even better than American Pharaoh although Baffert would not admit it at this point of Arrogate's career. That's because Bob would want owners to send their mares to the 'Pharaoh', and not wait for Arrogate, should he retire late in his 4 y.o campaign. Good business sense by Baffert. Arrogate will win the classic by 4 lengths.
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  • Mr. Sandman via Disqus · Better than American Pharoah? Can I have what your taking. How can you go on record stating that after one freak performance in the Traver's? There is no guarantee he is going to duplicate that performance. You should really take a wait & see approach before placing a crown on his head. · 21 hours ago
  • timber28 · He defeated the winners of two Jockey Club Gold Cups, the Belmont Stakes, Metropolitan Handicap, Whitney, Travers, Santa Anita Gold Cup, English and Irish 2,000 Guineas, St. James’s Palace Stakes, Suburban Handicap, Wood Memorial, and Pennsylvania Derby. Sounds like a bunch of Grade 3 horses? This years field at this point looks stronger but have some respect. AP was just good at making other horses look inferior just like CC has been doing so far this year. · 19 hours ago
Fastest EVER? Fager was, is and will be considered the KING for many a year. None like him....
BREAKING NEWS: Trainer Richard Mandella has announced that the 2016 Breeders Cup Distaff will be the final race of Beholder's long and storybook career. Beholder will run in the Distaff and be transferred back to Spendthrift Farm where she will begin her career as a broodmare.
I am making a prediction - if Songbird wins the Distaff, her owners will make one of these three choices next year: American Pharoah, Tapit, or Uncle Mo
  • Pebbles via Disqus · Not a chance. · 6 days ago
  • Kimberly Beth via Disqus · Regardless of winning or losing, she is racing next year they have already stated that - and she will race against the boys · 1 hour ago
I'm going to go ahead and add my thoughts. I'm excited to see Arrogate run. I'm not jumping onto any kind of bandwagon, and I'm not saying he's going to win, but his maiden and two allowance wins were run in fairly consistent times, and are either within the times or even better than other three year olds like Nyquist, Gun Runner, and American Freedom. They could even be comparable to California Chrome, but I haven't seen replays so I don't know how much Arrogate was pushed in his maiden and allowance races. Of course, this is only over the 1 1/16 mile distance, and he hasn't faced crazy good competition other than the Travers, but I don't think that should count against him as much as it does. As I said before, his past times are within the other three year olds, and possibly some of the older horses. I do think that with as strong as Arrogate's been working he stands a good chance of placing high in the Classic, especially if he turns in a performance even close to what he did in the Travers. However, I will not go as far as to say he the best in the field. I would still expect Chrome to beat him. I do understand Arrogate is unproven, but I'm not ready to not give him a chance to prove he can be great.
soon they will forget me - just a little new's
one thing for sure you will never catch him at 11-1 again hehehe
Probably the fastest horse EVER!!!! Supreme speed, he still holds the course record at York for the Nunthorpe Stakes, a record that has stood for 26 years! You can see here in the video that he had 'Safely Kept' beaten in the BC Sprint, he was on his way to winning by about half a length or so, before he jumped the shadow on the track, losing all his momentum, a very unlucky loser indeed. :-(
Had it not been Hot that 2012 Kentucky derby he would have fared better
Letssss gooo Frosted💙
I remember when in the 2013 Kentucky derby Rev was coming up the rail with Calvin aboard I thought he would have won his 4th derby in 6 years
everyone please keep Street Cry in your thoughts. its been discovered that he has some type of neurological issue, which is causing him to not be able to stand for long periods of one time, also causing him to be lame in one leg. he has not been covering his full book of mares over in Australia. hopefully he can be saved, hes an awesome stallion.
  • travel_vic · why is virtually EVERYTHING from soup to nuts an ISSUE? SA medical condition, disease, deficit, problem or malady would express that much more succinctly and accurately · 781 days ago
  • sczen50 · Very sad! R.I.P. Little guy. · 18 hours ago
Arrogate has looked great in his workouts! He just floats through the air..... I can only imagine how much more impressive he must look watching him work in person! He has an incredible reach and just wants to keep going and going...... He looks like the real deal!
I've already got 2 headlines written up for Frosted's performance in the BC Classic. Which one do you thinks best folks, give me your thoughts: "Frosted gets Smoked in the Classic" OR "Frosted gets iced in the Classic". :-)
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  • elhubbo · I like Nyquists Revenge is a dish best served cold. · 1 day ago
  • timber28 · Cold front moves into California causing Chrome to become brittle and crack.......Unlikely but global warming has caused weird events! lol · 18 hours ago

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