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2011 Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

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Date/Track:

11/5/2011, Churchill Downs

Post Time:

7:00 PM ET

Distance:

1 1/4 m (Dirt)

Age/Sex:

3+ M

Time:

2:04.27

Super Screener Winning Criteria - Classic

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Rule #1 - NY State of Mind - When the BC is not at Santa Anita, 9 of the past 10 winners have had at least one of their final two preps in New York.
Rule #3 - Coolmore - There have been 10 Aidan O'Brien starters over the past 11 years - the average finish position has been 7th, with 8 of 10 starters going off at 10-1 or less.
Rule #4 - Always Be Closing - Six of the past 8 winners of the Classic were closers. Since 1999, 78% of the longshots (20-1 or higher) who finished in the Super were closers.
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Horse / Sire

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Trainer / Jockey

Last Start / Next Start

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1st

Drosselmeyer
Distorted Humor

8.06

W. Mott
M. Smith

1st, 2011 Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

Jan 31 - GP Allow (1/31/2010-R6)

15-1

2nd

Game On Dude
Awesome Again

8.25

B. Baffert
C. Sutherland

1st, 2013 Charles Town Classic (G2)

Mar 20 - Florida Derby (G1)

10-1

3rd

Ruler On Ice
Roman Ruler

7.50

K. Breen
G. Gomez

4th, Prx Allow (4/16/2013-R8)

Mar 27 - Sunland Derby (G3)

30-1

4th

Havre de Grace
Saint Liam

8.21

J. Jones
R. Dominguez

1st, 2012 New Orleans Ladies (LS)

Aug 21 - Alabama Stakes (G1)

3-1

5th

Flat Out
Flatter

7.98

C. Dickey
A. Solis

1st, 2013 Westchester (G3)

Mar 14 - Rebel Stakes (G2)

6-1

6th

So You Think
High Chaparral

8.18

A. O'Brien
R. Moore

1st, 2012 Prince of Wales's Stakes (G1)

Jun 15 - Prince of Wales's Stakes (G1)

5-1

7th

To Honor and Serve
Bernardini

7.84

W. Mott
J. Lezcano

10th, 2012 Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

Nov 6 - Nashua Stakes (G2)

12-1

8th

Ice Box
Pulpit

7.16

N. Zito
C. Nakatani

8th, 2011 Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

Mar 20 - Florida Derby (G1)

30-1

9th

Rattlesnake Bridge
Tapit

7.49

K. McLaughlin
C. Borel

3rd, 2013 Westchester (G3)

Mar 12 - Timely Writer (LS)

30-1

10th

Uncle Mo
Indian Charlie

7.78

T. Pletcher
J. Velazquez

10th, 2011 Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)

Oct 9 - Champagne Stakes (G1)

5-2

11th

Stay Thirsty
Bernardini

7.71

T. Pletcher
J. Castellano

1st, 2012 Cigar Mile (G1)

Sep 6 - Hopeful Stakes (G1)

12-1

12th

Headache
Tapit

7.01

M. Maker
P. Lopez

2nd, 2012 West Virginia Governor's (LS)

May 21 - CD AlwOC (5/21/2011-R9)

30-1

What the Nation is saying about the 2011 Breeders' Cup Classic (G1)...

Breed for Distance, America: Drosselmeyer

Can you imagine a Kentucky Derby run at the extended sprint distance of one mile in the not too distant future?Read More

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Floridaf · Between Drosselmeyer and Redeemed, the American racing industry should get a shot of distance IF the breeders send their mares to them. Nobody seems to want to invest the time or money into the babies that take a little longer to come into their own. Instant gratification has been the industry's downfall in terms of breeding. · 130 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · YES!!! Thank you so much for writing about him Brian. If you look at a pedigree comparison of Drosselmeyer to Flower Alley, you will find lots of stamina influences at the 3rd generation. Hopefully we will see great things out of Drosselmeyer's babies · 130 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · I remember the 2011 JCGC when I first neglected the 3rd place finish of Drosselmeyer. Going back and watching the race really shows again that this guy loves distance, and he was ready to tear up the Breeders' Cup Classic. · 130 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · Absolutely right Floridaf. However, Bobby Flay is heading in the right direction. He is starting to invest in European Sire. · 130 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · And Ashley, I completely agree. This is one thing that I think the Kentucky Derby points system may start to slowly adjust. Its too early to tell this year, but at some point there will be some high profile 2 year olds that win G1's that dont even make this big dance in May because of no point accumulation in March/April of their three year old year. I hopeful that change is imminent. · 130 days ago ·

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ARBY · IMO the reasons Animal Kingdom is in AUS - they do breed for distance, they accepted his pedigree which the KY establishment finds wanting, they welcomed his track surface diversity and have a worldwide view at the market place. · 130 days ago ·

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marylandgq · Drosselmeyer made me a rich man when he won the BC Classic. He was one of the few in that race truly bred to go 9f. Obviously, the "Speed Freak" Cappers took a bath. THANK GOD someone has finally realized that if you want an opportunity to have a horse capable of getting the Classic distance (and be a realistic Triple Crown contender), they'll need a larger dose of stamina then the majority of the runners turned out over the past 30+ years. · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Drosselmeyer did not win that race as much as the rest of the field collapsed and he lucked out. Deep late movers NEVER win their share of races unless your name is Zenyatta....AND NO ONE looks for speed freaks at that distance. · 130 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Another problem with the loss of stamina in the breed is the continuing shortening of the major races. This is a real problem, primarily in New York. Remember when the Gold Cup was 2 miles or even 1 1/2 miles and Saratoga now runs two 1 1/8 mile Grade One races, the Whitney and the Woodward. Instead of changing the race distance to suit the breeders, the tracks need to reward breeders for producing horses capable of running at the Classic distances. New York could start by making the Woodward a 1/14 mile race. By the way Drosselmeyer is a great looking horse! · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · shortening of races is universal. My complaint about it appeared in the BloodHorse in the Unbridled K Derby edition it has been going on for so long. · 130 days ago ·

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kedez2012 · I think this just proves that when bred to the right mare, Distorted Humor can get anything. He himself hardly ever raced above a mile, and yet Drosselmeyer is being praised as a distance horse. · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · when or whenever are people going to understand the difference between correlation and cause and effect? · 130 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · I thinke we'll start seeing more distance soon. Look at sires like Street Cry and AP Indy. Both have sons that were proven at 10f time and time again, and are ready to take up the mantle. Curlin could be a good distance influence as well. There are plenty of high profile sires out there who can put a dose of stamina in the breed. Didn't Darley also get Lonhro? Breeders do, also breed to theses horses. Some do not, and some do breed for speed, but there are look at the way major breeding operations have gone. Adena Springs stands a good few stallions that were capable of 10f plus. Gainesway stands a Belmont winner, Derby winner, Travers winner, and one of Bernardini's most brilliant sons. Lanes End, while has it's fair share of sprinter/milers also has an impressive list of classic, distance lovers. Yes, there are some horses that are not bred to be sound, to be durable, but as you can see there are plenty of breeding operations that stand distance influences. If you really want my opinion, stop putting all the blame on the breeders and put some on the trainers and the tracks. If a horse is not trained to withstand the rigors of a race then they won't hold once put into a race. Many trainers baby a horse, but that does more to hurt than help. They train for speed not stamina, so how is a horse who is trained to run 9f tops, supposed to stay well at 10-12f without fatigue or injury? Trainers don't like the distances, so tracks cut them. Are breeders at some fault...yes, but lets not forget that they are far from the only ones. · 130 days ago ·

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northport · How is the shortening of races universal? Major European races have been at the same distances for upwards of 100 years, you don't see australian or Japanese tracks changing the distances of their major races every five years. It is America's desire for speed and the track's willingness to give in to the desire of owners/breeders · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · We were talking about the North American racing calendar which has been shortening for years now....I used to be labelled a heretic but now those same people recognize what I saw in the 80's Long races today are SURVIVED, not won · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · dani: want to wager that ANY distances will lengthen in the forseeable future? There are NO domestic sources of stamina on the main track, period · 130 days ago ·

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marylandgq · "vic": I could care less if it takes a field 2 weeks to run 9f. You should know that part of handicapping a race is to "envision" how the race will be run, and that day/race I "envisioned" Drosselmeyer getting to the wire first AFTER "the rest of the field collapsed". IF that is what you call "lucked out", then I'll be happy to get lucky more often than not. · 130 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · If they change the distance of any of the Triple Crown races, I will give up on American racing entirely · 130 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I wouldn't mind seeing faster 10f races. I think the 10f or longer races are being discussed here. Sorry, really not being facetious, but I fell asleep watching the '11 One Count Stakes. · 130 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · If you built them with Stamina and soundness, speed will be inevitable! · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · watch the Ascot Gold Cup and you will get lots of sleep: 20 furlongs · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · quote: If you built them with Stamina and soundness, speed will be inevitable! ...not really fast twitch fibers are there or they are not....Speed is born not made. · 130 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · TV..You're one of those guys in college that have a one way path of thinking. Professor throw a curve ball at them during exam and they freak out. So let me think outside the box for you. If you have horse with stamina and soundness(foundation) breeders will eventually mix in speed(which the US is full of) which will produce some great colts/fillies. Eventually get get back the breeding shed before the 80's. · 130 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · Travel, i never said they would increase. I just named you several stamina influences on dirt, in this country. My point is we don't train for it anymore either. It's not all just about the breeders. · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · When you refer to a person in a sentence is phrases ..in college WHO has one way of thinking. I live in the antifragile world of Talbe Nassem, I abhor routine, and oft quote the statement by Heraclitus "You never step in the same river twice," so your psychological help 5 cents, does not cut it here. · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Having said that I KNOW genetics, and the archaic phenotype breeding is a complete crap shoot once the genes are ranmdomly redistributed in meiosis. Science has NO idea which genes or groups of genes of linked genes or operant genes create speed stamina etc. I doubt there is a single path, so breeding becomes a crap shoot. Always has been. · 130 days ago ·

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travel_vic · In Functional Ultrastructure of cells taught by Dr. Sjostrand from Karlinska Instutue, I recieved the highest marks of the class for creating a new (subsequently found to be incorrect) model of cell membrance synthesis. OUTSIDE the box is where I live. · 130 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · And yet your thinking is within the box. You're define a pessimist. · 129 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · *You · 129 days ago ·

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travel_vic · No having been actively a member of this game in and outside the press box for years, I have become a realist and all this pretty horsey baloney has been put in perspective · 129 days ago ·

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goblin · t_v, Current research (since the mapping of the equine genome) is beginning to hone in on the genes responsible for speed,etc., in the thoroughbred. Myostatin (MSTN) variants seem to be partially responsible, with the locus known for at least one. There is a test being marketed by at least one of the performance genetics companies. The test is for colts/fillies already "on the ground", not as a predictor for the breeding shed. Here is a link to one of the studies--done by a group from the UK I think. Dr. Emmeline Hill is a primary researcher in this area. I believe she is part of a company doing the marketing. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3091701/ · 129 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Granted but you are looking AFTER THE FACT. How can one GET that precise genetic combination into a sperm or ova, and secondarily will it be expressed in the individual? Many genetic qualities are augmented or retarded by operator genes that come with the specific gene is question. Linked genes are only expressed if all are there.......THINK about the complete RANDOMNESS of the process and you will realize that knowing that is FINE for the individual who is already here, but NO WAY can anyone predict it in a breeding. · 129 days ago ·

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goblin · Yes, t_v, absolutely after the fact. The randomness and possible combinations during breeding are pretty much infinite. I do think breeders/owners are going to be using the new tests as they become available though. · 129 days ago ·

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travel_vic · But POTENTIAL is just that. A certain probability that this or that WILL happen.......Someone has a smart marketing agent like the one who cons people to buy breathe rite strips for horses. · 129 days ago ·

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goblin · Yes, I have no idea how accurate the tests are or will prove to be. I find the research interesting, but realize it's being used for monetary gain. · 129 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · I haven't read the article but I must ask this: Can you imagine someone breeding to Drosselmeyer when Flower Alley and Distorted Humor are still alive and well? · 129 days ago ·

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Long time between drinks for Stay Thirsty

Do all the signs point to a big rebound for the colt, and will that be good enough for a Woodward win over the likes of Mucho Macho Man?Read More

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Floridaf · I can't even tell you how many times I have stated that Alpha is this year's Stay Thirsty, and I still managed to forget that ST is another NY monster. I think you're right; the Woodward very well could be his big rebound race. · 264 days ago ·

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Trackside · Stay Thirsty is usually good for one big performance per year in a graded stakes. He will have to hold off the Ritvo and Mott runners. This race should come all the way down to the homestretch, but Stay Thirsty will find the speed to squeeze out a win. · 264 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Floridaf, If the tracks are that good in New York as to bring mediocrity to the top you would think everyone would bring their horses here permanently, but they don't. I wonder why? Then again we did get Ruffian. Wonder if she was just a New York wonder or actually good, food for thought now that it has so clearly been shown she was what you would call "a New York monster." · 264 days ago ·

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Floridaf · That is an interesting point, icy. However, it's not just the NY tracks that create monsters, per se. Fort Loudon is a Calder monster, and I've heard people refer to Acclamation and Zenyatta as California monsters. · 264 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I tend to think it has more to do with form than the course except for CD of course. JMO · 264 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I've always been confused to some extent by the "horse for the course" but the evidence seems to be there to support it. · 264 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · I have been feeling that the best Stay Thirsty will show up in the Woodward. Same thoughts about THAS, is he ready to run a big race? · 264 days ago ·

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FredaLogan · I am loving Stay Thirsty....so dream of going to Saratoga one day! Blessings to all! · 264 days ago ·

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thespaah · Trickmeister is the horse to includein your exotics. In the Whitney, Trickmeister gave way after 8 furlongs in which he looked the leader in the eye. The Whitney was a race Trickmeister needed. · 263 days ago ·

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Goodbye to Gracie

While writing my congratulations blog to Johnny V on his recent induction into the National Thoroughbred Racing Hall of Fame I learned the disappointing news of Havre De Grace. While trying to be upbeat and excited for Johnny V finally getting the nod to join our Hall of Fame, I am fighting back fee...Read More

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BrianZipse · Grace was nothing but consistent excellence over the past three years. She will be missed ... Congratulations to Johnny V! · 392 days ago ·

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railbird33 · Nice tribute Brian, the toughest thing in this sport is watching horses exit early. We always expect them to finish their time after more racing. · 392 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · This was written by Angie. · 392 days ago ·

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Capper · Hope with all the 2yo males from last year's BC making it to the Derby, some will progress even more and fill HDG's shoes by the end of the year. · 392 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Angela, that was very well written, with a lot of love showing through. You captured the emotions Grace brought up with your very fine blog. Great job. I will miss her, too. Very respectful to all the fine ladies of racing in the past few years, Zenyatta, Rachel Alexandra, Blind Luck and Havre De Grace. (by age) · 392 days ago ·

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AnnaK · A lovely tribute. Given that she only ever added to racing, gave her best and did so well, and we were expecting at least another year,(too short!) very sorry to read this is it. She is truly admirable. Wish her a long happy life. · 391 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · who is she breedin too? · 391 days ago ·

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2011 Breeders' Cup Class...

I cant wait for the Derby! Im truly enjoying watching and following this sport. Stupid question from the new guy here so go easy on me. At these large races (ie Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont, BC) is it EVER possible to visit the horses? Seeing as the BC is on the west coast this year, we're there! But, what i wouldnt give to visit Shackleford, Hanson, and Creative cause in person!!

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Havre de Grace is almost there

Signaling that she is very much ready for her appointment in next week's New Orleans Ladies at Fair Grounds, Havre de Grace looked fantastic this morning...Read More

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Floridaf · Woo whee! Grace made that look like nothing more than a walk in the park. If I hadn't known what her time was, I never would have guessed it was as fast as it was because she made it look effortless. · 442 days ago ·

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AnnaK · Agree completely, a mere stroll for her. A very nice video of her and Joyful, many thx. · 442 days ago ·

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stevebiscuit · I sure hope she's ready to carry that staggering 117 pounds, against nobodies, in a non-graded stakes! She may be the HOTY, but the best horse in the nation is Game On Dude. Now that's a Michael Jordan. · 442 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · The best horse in the nation GOD? I don't know how you can say he is better Acclamation. I would really enjoy seeing them knock heads. · 442 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Great to have the Horse of the Year ready to run another year! · 442 days ago ·

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Windfall · Havre de Grace is such a gorgeous mare! Look at her @ 2:09 just stunning. My dad said it best when I pointed her out while watching the Breeder's Cup "She's too pretty to run!" · 442 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · Can't wait to see her run again! · 441 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · It'll be excited to see what type of campaign they have mapped out for her. I hope she faces the deep male handicap division on a regular basis this year. · 441 days ago ·

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AnnaK · Such a treat to have the big ones return, given that racing campaigns are so short anyway. And to have her as queen. Very special. · 441 days ago ·

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CraigBradshaw · she won today in facile fashion in prep for the apple blossom. was no competition for her today. and #1 horse gave her 2#?? · 429 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · indeed cocoa and not only that acclamation crushed game on dude in the pacific. acc is best horse in the nation at this moment by far. · 429 days ago ·

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Déjà vu in the Donn

Shackleford is just one many hoping to answer big questions in the 56th running of the Donn Handicap...Read More

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zatt · It's an excellent and wide open field, but I am leaning to Samantha Siegel's Redeemed as the horse to beat. · 467 days ago ·

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Floridaf · If it rains, Ruler On Ice is strictly the one to beat. Beyond that possibility, well, I'm still scratching my head. I'm thinking either Redeemed or Mission Impazible. · 467 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · Ruler on Ice likes the slop, Shackelford loose on the lead, Where's Sterling with Chicago connections... whoa! Chicago favorite Giant Oak won this one last year too. Looking forward to a great race! · 467 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Dont discount Flat Out in the slop either. He did score a win the JCGC last October which was in muddy conditions · 467 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Gulfstream has been running early on the main just abou the while meeting. Any horses not closer than about 4 lengths at the 6 furlong call in routes, have not done well.....When it is wet that is even more a factor · 467 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · I like Ruler on Ice, he could have a great year. · 466 days ago ·

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Is Havre De Grace the Best Larry Jones Trained Horse Ever?

With another showdown against Blind Luck just a few days away, Matt Shifman explores Havre De Grace's place ...Read More

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TimSmith · This should be a great race! Im loving that they are not ducking each other!! · 680 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Great analysis, Matt! I do however, need to disagree with your order. I will go with: 1) Hard Spun 2)Havre De Grace 3)Eight Belles 4)Proud Spell 5)Kodiak Kowboy. · 680 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Actually Just Jenda is my favorite because of her great efforts at Monmouth, but she is not Top 5 material. · 680 days ago ·

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mhswinds · My top five 5. Eight Belles- we don't know how good she really would have been. 4. Wildcat Betty B- Somewhat overlooked since she was a sprinter while the others where two turn horses. 3. Island Sand- If she hadn't run in the 05 Delaware Handicap and if it wheren't for a tornado at Ellis, I doubt Larry would even be at Delaware. 2 (shared). Havre de Grace and Kodiak Kowboy- the only reason why Grace is not co #1 with who the two other horses that I think are #1 is because she has only been with Larry for 3 starts so far. KK, well he's an Eclipse winner even though he spent a good portion of his career with Asmussen. 1 (shared). Hard Spun and Proud Spell- honestly even with Barbaro and Afleet Alex, these two have been the best horses that have come out of DP. Sure the latter two won TC races, but Proud Spell was one determined filly and I was honored to see her win the DE Oaks in person. Hard Spun, what heart that guy had, another horse I saw in person (I actually skipped most of my math class to see his Port Penn win). · 680 days ago ·

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KyOaksRunner · I think Hard Spun was easily his best runner so far, the 2007 crop was incredibl and he more than held his own. Havre de Grace 2nd for me, Proud Spell 3rd, Eight Belles and then Kodiak Kowboy. · 680 days ago ·

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BikinMike444 · My rankings are similar to Matt's. 1) Proud Spell 2) Hard Spun 3) Havre De Grace 4) Eight Belles 5) Kodiak Kowboy · 679 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · And Hard Spun is off to a great start as a sire with a Group 2 SW in Europe with a $15,000 Keeneland purchase. · 679 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Proud Spell produced her first foal in the spring, a filly out of Indian Charlie, and was then bred to Medaglio D'oro. · 679 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · Great piece Matt! I'd vote for Hard Spun. I think he performed a very high level, probably at a distance he didn't prefer (1 1/4 miles) by finishing 2nd in the KY Derby & BC Classic. He was super quick as evidenced by his King's Bishop win, but could carry it a classic distance. He should be a truly great sire. · 679 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Just watched a Hard Spun yearling filly sell for $115,000 at FTK. · 679 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Does the Del Cap results change how you rank The Jones horses? · 675 days ago ·

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orangeman88 · Hard Spun is #1, Havre de Grace #2 · 650 days ago ·

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crazymomof4 · Proud Spell - Hard Spun - Grace - Eight Belles - Jenda · 473 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Hard Spu never won a race a foot over 9 furlongs · 473 days ago ·

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travel_vic · we never really know about Eight Belles either · 473 days ago ·

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crazymomof4 · Proud Spell - Hard Spun - Grace - Eight Belles - Jenda · 473 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Hey, it is fun to look back at this question seven months later. Clearly now the answer is YES, HDG is the best horse Larry Jones has ever trained. · 473 days ago ·

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Top 10 Breeders' Cup 2011 Moments

HRN contributor Tony Bada Bing lists his top 10 moments from the Breeders' Cup at Churchill Downs.Read More

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Winplacsho · I was bummed not to see Goldikova not get her 4th in a row, but she should've been disqualified. What would've been more controversial is the fact if she would've won....would she have been the HOY? · 538 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · i was pulling for court vision, it was good to see after so many tries for the winner circle he made it again on his last race. · 525 days ago ·

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jjflash67 · Amazombie winning me some $! He ruled! · 491 days ago ·

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Eclipse Award Discussion: Turf Wars, Gracie, Older Male, HOY, OH MY!

Our last Eclipse Award discussion. The Dark Horse Chris Sorenson and myself will be going over both turf divisions, older male and female divisions, and we'll be crowning our Horse Of The Year!Read More

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Chicago · Great discussion Scott, thanks!! · 493 days ago ·

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stevebiscuit · Cape Blanco beating Gio Ponti (two years past his prime), Winchester, Dean's Kitten(no factor in BC Turf), or Mission Approved(one hit wonder) is hardly something to brag about. Acclamation beat better horses and did so more impressively than Cape Blanco. He was clearly the best turf horse this year. · 493 days ago ·

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WesWhite · Is Falcon Rock better than Gio Ponti. lol hilarious some of the statements posters put out there that makebab · 492 days ago ·

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WesWhite · Some statements make absolutely no sense. · 492 days ago ·

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rorschach1992 · Did he actually state Mission Approved and Dean's Kitten as being some of the best in the WORLD???? MmmHmm. Is he not aware that they both ran on World stages and were absolute non-factors, Mission Approved 14th out of 16 in the Japan Cup and Dean's Kitten 9th and last in the BC Turf. That's really not a glowing recommendation for Cape Blanco. · 491 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Micheal Veitch of the Sratogan has made a very good case for Harve de Grace today in his column · 491 days ago ·

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NTRA Moment of the Year: BC Classic

The upset victory by Drosselmeyer over Game on Dude in the Breeders’ Cup Classic (gr. I) was voted the 2011 National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Year.Drosselmeyer’s victory represented the second classic win in as many days for trainer Bill Mott, who saddled Royal Delta to win the ...Read More

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Breeders' Cup Profile: Havre De Grace

Joe DePaolo and Scott Dick begin their Breeders' Cup "Use 'em or Lose 'em" series with Havre de Grace...Read More

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BrianZipse · Enjoyed this guys, well done! I think I am right between you two on Grace. I like her more than Scott, but less than Joe. She will be one of my main three plays, but Flat Out is my top pick. · 573 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · If she or Mo don't win the Classic then it is BOMBS away! · 573 days ago ·

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Kedez2012 · I agree with Joe that she's the only one without lingering questions. I like her a lot. The only thing that bothered me was your detraction of her Woodward win. You mentioned Giant Oak and Mission Impazible, horses that Tizway also ran against. If you detract from Grace's wins, be ready to do the sam for Tizway, especially since he beat those horses so handily. · 573 days ago ·

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buds · I agree these are the 2 best, but I doubt they are going to finish one two. Im looking for my long shot to throw into the exacta, say maybe To Honor and Serve · 573 days ago ·

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CraigBradshaw · hdg, flat out, stay thirsty, in the money mix. drosselmeyer will outlast mo. · 573 days ago ·

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CraigBradshaw · having said that, i can't forget about game on dude. he and chantal will be the sleeper bet in this race. he has already proven he can battle in the stretch. · 573 days ago ·

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RamonD · GAME ON DUDE is one of my top horses for the CLASSIC!!also i hope that GIO PONTI goes to the CLASSIC!! · 573 days ago ·

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jasen.mangrum · I'm with Flat out, but HDG has a shot but she doesn't tower over this field & she'll be half the price of Flat Out. For a price, I like Await the Dawn, he's bred for dirt a little, but his 1st preference is the Turf. · 572 days ago ·

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · The Dude, the Girl, and the Thinker, 1-2-3. :) Drosselmeyer 4th. · 571 days ago ·

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chalk eyed cat · Love HDG,never really cared for Drosselmeyer but he runs big at the longer distances. · 571 days ago ·

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WilliamCaple · Looks like Havre De Grace is gonna be an Eclipse winner!! derbydeals.com · 495 days ago ·

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WinStar does it again!

Looking for someone within the industry to find and implement innovative ideas to benefit thoroughbred horse racing? Look no further than WinStar Farm.Read More

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Buckpasser · I think Winstar has done an excellent job of bringing fans into horse racing. I love their derby fantasy challenge and will help support their auctions. · 529 days ago ·

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Floridaf · I was just on their website earlier today checking out their auction items. I'm sure these are going to go for some insane prices, and I don't have the money to afford any of it. I must say, though, that I, too, was impressed by what they have done for the industry in recent years. · 529 days ago ·

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mikemoss13 · I can't really explain it, and I've tried to sit down and put in words why. Doesn't exactly work. SO, flame away....I do not like the StableMates program. I have a big problem with WinStar claiming to open their doors and give VIP treatment FOR A FEE. I really dislike the idea of having to pay money to feel like and insider. Because I don't pay, does that make me an outsider? Silly, I know, but it just doesn't feel right to me. · 528 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Mike, you touched on the only thing that is not free ... although as stated, there is a free membership option as well. And keep in mind, it is far more than just opening doors. You get much more, just follow the link to check it out. · · 528 days ago ·

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mikemoss13 · Oh no, I've been getting emails from them for months now about it. I know exactly what it is. Also, I find it funny, that with my paid membership, I have the opportunity to spend more money (auctions, $50 picnic, etc). Brian, I have no doubt that a lot of things WinStar is good for the sport. This one is just icky to me, I hope the other farms don't follow the lead of charging their fans to see and participate in activities that are free at many other farms around Kentucky and elsewhere. · 528 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Completely disagree that they are charging for activites that are free at many other farms. No farm that I know of offers anything near what they offer. · 528 days ago ·

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AliceReynolds · I can't say enough good things about WinStar! Their concern, prayers & generosity for my family after my son Tim's "Tiznow to his horse racing family" tragic death in September, will always hold a special place in our hearts! WinStar is truly a very special place! · 528 days ago ·

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AlGem · I have to agree with you what they are doing for the fans. Winstar Farm had a contest a while back and they ran a few of them to name their colts in contests. I entered them and I was a LUCKY winner in one of them. And can you believe that it is Gemol…read moreogist that I named and now is on the derby trail. It makes me feel good that even though I am not an owner I feel like I am a part of him,knowing he his caring that name and for the rest of his life and that is something I am a part of even when he goes to stud and has crops of his own one day. It's so cool when I read the articles about him on the internet with his name and it hits me that I named him or when they are calling his name during the race by the track announcer. It was exciting to see him win the Kentucky Jockey Club Stakes and hear his name called. They sent me a copy of the jockey papers that you get when the colt is named for racing and a key chain with his name on it like you see them wear on their halters. I also play the other contests they have as well. I am a free member of there stablemates and hope to join one of the graded ones one day. I do want to see though if he does make it to the Derby or one of his other big races he may run if I would request tickets if they would agree and be a part of the winners circle. That would be so great. Winstar has figured it out. I know it is all about breeding and owning but if it was not for the fans and people who bet on the races,would there be an industry for horse racing. Sorry to be so long in this message. Just wanted to share. · 528 days ago ·

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yukichan · I admit--I am a Farm Cam user : ) · 528 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · I know they aren't the only ones doing great things for the game, but they do the best job in drawing in fans to support needed services. Also, the farmcam is an awesome idea to show fans a behind the scenes point of view. Especially for a sport that is usually so secretive where the average fan is kept WAY out of the loop. · 526 days ago ·

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Top 10 Breeders' Cup Classics - With Video

See where Zenyatta ranked in our Top 10 Best ClassicsRead More

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mjtags11 · What about Arcangues??? · 567 days ago ·

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RamonD · i know wat about him he beat one of my favorite horses BELTRANDO!!also ARCANGUS was 133-1!! · 567 days ago ·

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annmatt · The 2010 Breeders Cup Classic will always be Zenyatta's "second Classic"! Blame got the "W", but it will be Big Z who will be remembered. Not sure why her 2009 win is not higher on the list, since she was after all the first female to win that race. It was a stunning victory in a loaded field, a feat that had not been done in 26 years, though tried by several. Her three Breeders Cup races I believe have wound up as "greatest moments" of the NTRA. It was her star power that more than doubled the TV viewership, raised the handle through the roof, and brought one of the biggest crowds to see a BC race. · 567 days ago ·

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RamonD · ZENYATTA should be #1 · 567 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · There are no lists to the greatest Classic. Zenyatta owns the top two end of story. In fact, Zenyatta's two Classic races are probably number #2 race alltime behind Secretariat's Belmont and sandwiched somewhere with Damascus' 1967 Woodward, Seattle Slew's 1978 Jockey Gold Cup, and the Affirmed/Alydar Preakness of 1978. She owns two of the top six spots of alltime of American horseracing. · 567 days ago ·

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Waya · Wild Again, Slew O' Gold and Gate Dancer has to be higher than this. It was the first and it may have been the best! · 566 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Have to admit no classic has come close to that wing ding affair of November 10 1984, none of them. · 566 days ago ·

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getthefacts · HAHA keep dreamin vinnie keep dreamin · 566 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · For the sheer magnitude of the upset, Arcangues has to be in the top 10. It is one of the Top 10 upsets of all time. · 566 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · facts - bingo! You've been caught in another trap. · 566 days ago ·

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KyOaksRunner · I think the 2010 Classic field is a joke when compared with almost any of these other Classics. I wouldn't even have it in the top five if it wasn't for Zenyatta's incredible rally...but I certainly wouldn't rank it #1, I think that's way too generous. Curlin, Cigar, Tiznow, Sunday Silence and Awesome Again certainly faced tougher competition and ran much better Classics. My opinion of course. :) · 566 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · What are these top six "moments", Vin. Do they include Seabiscuit vs War Admiral, Affirmed and Alydar in the '78 Belmont, Forego's '76 Woodward, Afleet Alex in the '05 Preakness? I'd like to see this list. Thanks. · 566 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Right you are KOR. It only featured 3 winners of 1 1/4 mile races. Only two of those managed to actualy do so in 2010, and only 1 of the 3 ever won a 1/14 on dirt. And he finished 11th in the classic. Can you really name one that was any worse, or had less proven horses in it Vinnie? Cause last I checked this years has 6 of whom won going 1 1/4 this year, and 5 were on dirt. · 566 days ago ·

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getthefacts · the only reason you think the past 2 BCC meant a damn thing is because they featured the most overly hyped horse of all time. · 566 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Alysheba beat a pretty good field in 1988. · 566 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · It's hard to go against Blame and Queen Z, but I'd have to go with Alysheba! · 566 days ago ·

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RaTalk_Girl · I love to check out these lists, it gives me some schooling since I did not watch many of these races before. Although I consider Blame one of my favorites, I have to say I was most excited about the Awesome Again race. Great list! · 566 days ago ·

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orangeman88 · Where's Tiznow 2000? at least mention it with his 2001 win · 566 days ago ·

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Woodbinemile · Where is Alphabet Soup defeating Cigar, and Louis Qatorze??.....3 horses within a head of each other at the wire. Getting Really Tired of Zenyatta fans, and their disrespect towards Blame, who was the BEST horse in that field that year! Keep overhyping your Restricted Mare who showed her face twice on Breeders Cups, and went back to California, and back to her restricted races. · 566 days ago ·

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Woodbinemile · Ghostzapper is only a HONORABLE MENTION??. He beat a pretty good field, and in Stakes record time. He was the best horse of the last decade By FAR!. · 566 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Zenyatta's losing run in the 2010 BCC was every bit as good as Secretariats Belmont. I'd like to see him make the run she did especially with his affinity for losing to older horses. · 566 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · "Zenyatta had the entire length of the Churchill Downs homestretch to catch Blame and keep her perfect record in tact, but for the first time she met an opponent who was up to the task in the most thrilling race the Breeders' Cup has ever seen." Considering she was moving laterally as well as forward I believe Blame will only be a footnote to her great run. Make no mistake, Blame is a very good horse but run that race in the daytime without the lights she has never seen and you'll have a different outcome. As for Tiznow I find it hard to believe he ever beat after watching his two runs against the formidable european champions. · 566 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · correction:hard to believe he ever GOT beat after · 566 days ago ·

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schwann · I think that HDG should win. I am from New Zealand, where SYT comes from. I have my doubts about SYT, as he is not the same horse that won the Cox Plate twice. I am also concerned about the wide barrier draws of Mo and HDG. It could even be an upset. My money is on HDG at 6/1 though. Hope she lives up to the hype. · 566 days ago ·

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francis · My favorite BCC is the '97 version because I was there jumping up & down on the rail as Skippy thundered by. What a magnificent horse! · 566 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · @schwann Uncle Mo got a perfect draw outside of the speed he just lays off the flank. As for SYT how many horses in this BCC can finish only 5 lengths behind a filly that runs a 2:24.2 and receives a timeform rating of 132+? He will be in the money in his last race of all the closers he was coming strongest, who in this field has face such formidable horses as him? · 565 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · BTW: Uncle Mo, and I'll take my money and he'll go. Best 3yo since Slew. You'll see. · 565 days ago ·

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JPC · Im tired of hearing about Mo...he couldn't even beat Calebs Posse on a dry track...he will be lucky to even hit the board on saturday~ · 565 days ago ·

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travel_vic · I am no big MO fan but to race like that off the shelf against that level of competition the first back against seasoned horses, one had to be impressed with that Saratoga effort fiirst time off the layoff. · 565 days ago ·

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JanetFauble · I think of all the horses wanting to win this and ready to win it is Uncle Mo who showed it when he finally got back to doing what he likes so he is a real likely good bet in the Classic... · 565 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · I loved the 2K BC, when Tiznow withstood a "heart-pounding, pulsating" stretch drive from Giant's Causeway. · 565 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · "If the Breeders' Cup were to change it logo, many believe a likeness of Zenyatta would be the fitting image. Through a Ladies' Classic score in 2008, by becoming the first female to win the Classic in 2009, and in spite of missing her return victory by a nose in 2010, the bold racemare captured the hearts of thousands." Taken from Claire Novak of ESPN.com or http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/7178490/zenyatta-blame-year-later. · 565 days ago ·

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buckpasser · Loved seeing all these races. Brought back alot of great memories. But I have to say my favorite breeders cup race of all time was not the classic but Personal Ensign's victory in the Ladies . · 565 days ago ·

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getthefacts · I dont think a BC ladies classic score coupled with a BCC win both on synthetics, which have been ridiculed and switched back to dirt. And a runner up finish against possibly the worst Classic field ever assembled. Even begins to equate to Goldikova's already 3 and possible 4th Mile victories, nor Tiznows far more fantastic back to back victories. · 564 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · @buckpasser That was a run for the ages. · 564 days ago ·

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jason.luttgens · sunday silence should be no.1! c'mon people! Then Cigar, then Zenyatta, the rest really don't cut it. · 535 days ago ·

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travel_vic · I was on the wire at the inaugural and it was a race to behold: three horses going full out bashing into one another but none would give an inch to the wire....NONE like it since other than Cigar and Alphabet Soup at Woodbine in 96 · 535 days ago ·

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stevebiscuit · Zenyatta's run in the 2010 Classic was one for the ages. Coming from further back than ever before, having to check off of Quality Road, hitting the breaks and angling out in the stretch, plus having to regather momentum would have kept any other horse from hitting the board. But Zenyatta's class overcame these obstacles and nearly won. Had she pulled it off the victory would have been one of the greatest in racing history, one that would've rivaled Secretariat's Belmont. Instead, that Classic will be viewed in the same light as the 1919 Sanford Stakes or as Allen Jerkens put it: "They will look at the Classic the same way they look at Man O’ War getting beat”. I wholeheartedly agree! · 534 days ago ·

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travel_vic · I really appreciae Zenyatta, BUT that pro ride at Anita helped her a lot. · 534 days ago ·

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stevebiscuit · I wouldn't say "a lot". All but a couple of the males in the 09 Classic were proven over the surface. Overall it was a level playing field. · 532 days ago ·

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CauseForConcern · Out of a 13 horse field, Colonel John, Richard's Pass, and Mine That Bird, were the only males that prepped at that track. All but a couple????? · 532 days ago ·

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shadowno · How would you not consider Einstein and Awesome Gem as proven? And Gio won the Sir Beaufort at SA. Plus who was the 13Th horse? Are you sure you are looking at the 2009 field? · 532 days ago ·

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CauseForConcern · In prepping, Einstein ran @ Del Mar in the Pacific Classic, and prior to that, ran in @ Arlington in the Million. Awesome Gem prepped @ Hawthorne, Del Mar, and Emerald Downs. Gio Ponti prepped on turf @ Belmont & Arlington. I stand corrected, there were originally 13 horses, but Quality Road was scratched at the gate. · 532 days ago ·

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shadowno · I guess i'm missing your point. By your standards then 0 horses prepped @ CD this year, Blame in 2010 0 horses prepped @ CD, same 0 at Woodbine 96 for Alphabet Soup and Ghostzapper @ LoneStar in 04. Curlin 08 @ SA had 1 horse. Curlin 07 @ Monmouth 0. Seems like a common occurence. · 532 days ago ·

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CauseForConcern · Your comment is well taken. I handicap most recent form, being the last three months up to the race. No horse could've prepped @ Churchill, since they had just opened the track for the fall meet. But, Blame and Curlin had won the Stephen Foster in July. But, to say that Awesome Gem si "proven", when his career record on synthetic is 1-for-10, is a stretch. Einstein is probably one of the greatest at running on all three surfaces. You mentioned that it's a "level playing field". My question is, if "it's level", why did Santa Anita take up the track after two plus years(long enought to run 2 BC's)? · 532 days ago ·

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shadowno · The level playing field not my comment, but with regard to the surface, geography played a part given the tracks proximity to the San Gabriel mountains. Heavy rains and flooding/runoff from the mountains washed away part of the pro-ride surface in 2009-10 costing them racing days and $$$$$. Also, I don't believe it ever drained as advertised like the cushion track that cost multiple dates in 08.. It was a safer surface for horses, by reported fatilities, signifigantly so, even factoring in the lost days. But here (probably even more here given the state budget and miserable economy), as everywhere $$$$ talks and a closed track can't produce revenue. And with Awesome Gem that 1 win happened to be the Hollywood Gold Cup and he produced clutch efforts in the Pacific Classic, San Antonio and Goodwood in over synthetics so I'll give him credit for his ability to handle prety much anything thrown his way. · 532 days ago ·

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footlick · the other problem with the Pro-Ride surface at Santa Anita was that they never cleared out the former surfaces completely when installing and then reinstalling the Pro-Ride, so it was never a pure surface to begin with and that added to it's instability · 532 days ago ·

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How Good is To Honor and Serve

To Honor and Serve put on a quite the display, November 26, 2011, when he rolled clear of the classy Calibrachoa. The son of Bernardini has been a puzzling this season, to say the least. After his two year old season, he had built up such a reputation that he was made the favorite of the Fountain of...Read More

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MikeRullo · I think if they can keep him at 1 mile or 1 1/8 miles he will go undefeated next year. dont try the breeders cup classic · 541 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Mikew you wouldn't want to wager $500 on his going undefeated with me would you? I would take that wager in an instant. · 540 days ago ·

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MikeRullo · travel vic, Who do you think can beat this horse at 1 mile ?? · 540 days ago ·

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gocashking · I'd bet $500 he doesn't go undefeated - providing he races all year. No shot. · 540 days ago ·

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atamulonis · Great points, Laura. I had not realized that THAS had done his best running at Aqueduct, but you're certainly right there. Should be interesting to see what he does next year. · 539 days ago ·

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Point - Counterpoint: Will The Clark Crown An Eclipse Winner?

Ruler On Ice or Flat Out, which horse has a better chance to earn an Eclipse Award this weekend? Read More

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lou'sfan · This debate just made the Clark a whole lot more interesting! · 546 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Only another wet track can help Ruler on Ice in the Clark. · 546 days ago ·

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joe.turner · Animal Kingdom is more deserving than both of them based on his win in the Kentucky Derby and place in the Preakness. · 545 days ago ·

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atamulonis · It will be an exciting race no matter how you look at it. Both Ruler On Ice and Flat Out should hit the board no matter what, but I, personally, have not decided which has the better chance of winning. Though I must agree with Andy, Ruler On Ice could certainly do nothing but benefit from a wet track. · 545 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · Caleb's Posse or Animal Kingdom will win the 3yo championship, even with a victory by Ruler on Ice. If Flat Out wins this, I guess he's in the conversation even though my vote would to Game on Dude, Cape Blanco or Acclimation. · 545 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · ruler showed us he can run of fast and sloppy. · 545 days ago ·

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CraigBradshaw · i think that rroi has the stamina to handle the deep cd surface a little better than flat out, who is at his best on nyra trax. · 545 days ago ·

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RyanBrady · This is the best field of The Clark Handicap ever assembeled in recent memory, and it actually means something this year more than ever. An eclipse in the two horses mentioned above in their respective divisions, and a set up for 2012 as a leader in next years older division. It will be an exciting race with excellent value if you are the wagering persin much like myself. · 544 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Will not make a difference as the stage is not big enough..an after thought · 544 days ago ·

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cugel the clever · If Ruler On Ice wins the Clark he will be the Eclipse 3yo champ. · 543 days ago ·

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cugel the clever · For better or worse, there is always a bias towards those horses which can win major stakes at a route. This will eliminate Caleb's Posse. AK, if he'd campaigned the whole season, probaly would have been the 3yo champ. But there's no way he should be given the Eclipse given his short campaign and the quality of his major rivals for the award. · 543 days ago ·

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Point - Counterpoint: Will The Clark Crown An Eclipse Winner?

The Clark Handicap is the consolation game for a few horses looking for Eclipse cred in 2011. HRN's Girl Next Door, Angie D'Amico, and Managing Editor Brian Zipse of Zipse At The Track, discuss which horse will have a better chance at a year-end award after this weekend, Ruler On Ice or Flat Out. Read More

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Horse of the Year: Can Redux Rise to the Occasion?

Who would have though a gelding competing in starter allowances would cause such an enormous uproar in America? Well, Rapid Redux managed to do just that when he broke the modern American win streak last night, Thursday, November 21, 2011. The record was held by America’s sweetheart, the great mare,...Read More

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likin sparks · I know I said this before but for all whom really appreciate and love this sport, what are the chances of seeing a horse at any level accomplish what Rapid has done? He should definately be honored for his accomplishments and what a way to end his career with some achievement award etc...we may only get to see him race a few more times according to his connections. · 546 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · No, he doesn't deserve consideration for HOY, but maybe some sort of lifetime achievement honor rewarding everything accomplished this year. If anyone should be considered for HOY that's been running in restricted races its My Miss Aurelia. · 546 days ago ·

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brooklyn.steve · Does not deserve anything for beating allowance/claiming horses. If he raced in an allowance race in NY he wouldn't come in the money. In a claiming race might hit the board. His race times and Beyer numbers speak for themselves. · 546 days ago ·

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josh.atkinson2 · should take NTRA's moment of the year, not horse of the year · 546 days ago ·

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CandaceJones · He deserves to be acknowledged for sure! What he has done, physically, is nothing short of amazing and the horse has enough heart to carry a freight train. Did you see him last night when any challenge was thrown? No way he was getting beat. So yes, he deserves something...but not HOTY. · 545 days ago ·

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atamulonis · He definitely deserves to be acknowledged for everything that he has accomplished. Even though he certainly has done more in terms of consistency and versatility than most, it is unlikely that he will get much consideration for HOTY despite what we think. · 545 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · It is pretty cool that he won his 20 races within 12 months, & it took Zenyatta 4 years to win her 19. He is an iron horse who brings his lunch pail with him everyday. · 545 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · He does have some admirable qualities to him, however, while this year was and still is muddled, the two horses I mentioned above him were pictures of consistency. I do think he deserves his due, but not HOTY · 545 days ago ·

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missedgehead · He should get some sort of award at the Eclipse awards, but surely NOT HOY · 545 days ago ·

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genie918 · While I feel Rapid Redux should be recognized at the Eclipse Awards for his accomplishment, I do not believe that he deserves HOY because of the level of competition/races he has participated in. My vote would go for Havre de Grace. This year she won 5 races--3 GI and 2 G2 that included a win in the Woodward against the boys. Her only defeats were in the G2 Delaware Handicap by a nose to the great Blind Luck and a fourth place finish in the BC Classic. In the Classic, she overcame traffic problems, being bumped and was still finishing strongly in the end, so her loss was respectable. Curlin won HOY honors in 2008 with a similiar record: 5 wins/4 GI and one ungraded race in Dubai, a second in the Man o' War and a fourth place finish in the BC Classic. Now, I realize that one of Curlin's wins came in the Dubai World Cup--a race that adds extra points to ones resume when reviewing championship honors, but we have to keep in mind the type of year it has been in 2011. Havre de grace's record has been solid and consistent ALL year, so I hope the voters recognize this and give her the year end honors. · 545 days ago ·

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Snowking6 · Rapid Redux is already in the history books--and deserves special notice at the Eclipse Awards and in other venues, and should never be forgotten. I would love to see him retired as soon as it makes sense to the Kentucky Horse Park. But Horse of the Year--even in a muddled year, does not make sense--simply because he is not at the class level to have made his record against the other contenders for HOY--almost certainly. We love him, though!! Great to see his sort in these modern times. In some ways, he is MY Horse of the Year! · 545 days ago ·

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Ruler On Ice Shoots High

For Ruler On Ice, next week's Clark Handicap could tell the story in his attempt for an Eclipse Award...Read More

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Protagonist · Hey,this is an incomplete picture,General Quarters is also going in this race. At least that is What his Trainer Tom McCarthy told me this morning at his barn! · 551 days ago ·

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Protagonist · :D · 551 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Thanks, Protagonist ... adding him to the list. · 551 days ago ·

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annmatt · So, has it been decided that Drosselmeyer will not run in this race? · 551 days ago ·

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zatt · I'm not expecting to see Drosselmeyer in the Clark. · 551 days ago ·

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atamulonis · Great article on one of the nation's most underrated 3-year olds. · 551 days ago ·

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Eclipse Awards...Part Two

Earlier this week I gave you the first half of my thoughts on the year end awards and now, after endless hours of contemplation, I give you Eclipse Awards … Part Two. Read More

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zatt · What about Never Retreat in the Female Turf division (see Adam's article) and Musical Romance in the Female Sprint division? · 557 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · I don't know about Caleb's Posse for Champion sprinter, I guess it depends if you consider a one turn mile a sprint. If you just count the traditional 6-7 furlong or shorter races as sprints, then I think Amazombie is the Champion. · 557 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Mike what exactly are we supposed to consider mile races? They aren't taken seriously as routes and there is no award for best miler. People look at them more like sprints and they should. Is it an elongated sprint yes it is, however it is a sprint. It is not middle distance, it's not a long distance it is a sprint. · 557 days ago ·

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stevebiscuit · Last time I checked, Caleb's Posse won the BC Dirt Mile which, though it's one turn, isn't a sprint. Amazombie is clearly champion sprinter. If Game On Dude wins the Clark, the HOTY race is between he and Acclamation alone. Havre De Grace would be HOTY to me had she shown that she belonged with the best older males. Kudos to her connections for running in the Classic, but her non-threatening 4th place finish confirmed my belief that the Ladies Classic was where she truly belonged. · 557 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · steve then what is it? It's not a route. If you want it to be a seperate division then they should make one for it. If not then it should be viewed as a sprint. · 557 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · I'd say hdg. Is h.o.y. As of today · 557 days ago ·

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Ann Maree · I would love to see Drosselmeyer blow the doors off in the Clark. It would make the race for HOY more interesting · 557 days ago ·

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ruhlmann · Since there is no clear cut favorite for Champion Older Male, I think the award should be a dead heat between 2 or 3 horses. Or perhaps since every horse beat every horse at one time of the year, the crown should be given to the BC Classic winner.......after all he did beat everyone except Tizway.....just give it to Drosselmeyer! · 557 days ago ·

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annmatt · It really is a shame that Blind Luck wasn't able to complete the season. She was a shoe-in to win the Ladies' Classic, and with HdG's 4th in the Classic, I believe BL would have been Older Female and with no outstanding male, she had a shot at HOY. Her spectacular career, unfortunately, spanned more than this year....her amazing feat of 13-14 races in 15 months, 36,000 miles of travel to different tracks and distances, it will be a long time before any horse -- male or female -- top that! She competed at nine different racetracks in seven states at distances from 4 1/2 furlongs to 1 1/4 miles. BTW, I don't think it's simply a matter of the BL / HdG rivalry being 1 for 1 this year. Blind Luck won at the Classic distance of 1 1/4 mi - twice - something that HdG has never been able to do. HdG's Woodward against the males was at the shorter distance, but she is given pts for taking on the males, I get that. Not disputing that HdG is a class filly, but, it really is a shame Blind Luck was not in the final runup to the end of year honors. She was a class act, to be sure. · 556 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · annmatt, HDG could get 10f plenty fine, and I'm sorry, BL was not even close to a shoe in after her last race, and would not have been because of her two losses prior. FO who won at 10f finished behind HDG in the Classic, and I heard people just yelling about the fact that with one extra furlong he would catch her...how did that work? HDG does not seem to run her best over Churchill. She did not have an overly impressive work over the track this year and still finished well. Trying to say what could have been will drive anyone mad. BL is a great horse, but did not have it this season plain and simple. HDG should not get a minus becase her two losses to BL at 10f were by a neck and a whisker. You don't take off because she beat her at a shorter distance. If you do that then you might as well take off BL for beating her at a distance longer than 9f. The score was 1-1, even. It goes to the horse who did the most, Grace. · 556 days ago ·

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gocashking · Amazombie, by finishing the year with big wins in the Ancient Title and BC Sprint is a no brainer for the Sprint Champion Eclipse. It won't even be close. There's no way 7F and 8F wins will be rated higher than those two wins at the "traditional" sprint distance of 6F. Caling Flashpoint "brilliant" is also a bit of a stretch, I think. · 555 days ago ·

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2011 Breeders' Cup Class...

This was a SLOW race. Even slower than the Jockey Club Gold cup on the mud!

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RamonD · yeah but still it was a good race!! · 562 days ago ·

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CraigBradshaw · the jcgc is a one turn race, so it stands to reason that the pace and final time would be slightly faster. belmont is not as deep a track as cd, especially that inside cd rail path. · 558 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · what's so good about watching a 5 million dollar grade1 race run in the time of a low level allowance race? · 558 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Far too slow.. The only reason Drosselmeyer won is because of the slow time. Can No horse run in 2:oo anymore on dirt? WTH Bring back curlin hed probably beat these coming off the bench. · 558 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · People, note that the time may not be just because of the horses but because of the track itself. HDG and GOD had already shown that they were capable of running 10f much quicker in the DE Cap and HGC, respectively. MMA, a very fast filly went 8.5f in 1.46. Hansen and UR, both fast colts ran that distance in 1.44. Many mile races over dirt from Thurs to Sat were 1.36 plus. Only CB had anything below that. The so called Marathoners, who were led by PP, who set quite the pace for that distance, had a 10f split of 2.05. That was not because of a slow set up, nowhere close. PP set 23, and 48 for the half. No way should they have hit that marker in 2.05 with that pace. Does anyone remember Saratoga this year? How about Whitney day? It was a dead track. Tizway went 9f in 1.52, yet we know he is not slow because the race before he ran 8f in 1.32. The track, while safe, is very demanding and probably like Saratoga needs to be resurfaced. However, the fact that the track was extremely sticky also did not help. If you were on the rail...I was, you could see just how sticky it was. · 557 days ago ·

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footlick · Drosselmeyer certainly is not the fastest horse on the planet, but the track, as DeadHeat said was much to blame. Churchill's dirt track was testing. · 557 days ago ·

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