2012 C. F. Orr Stakes

They say perfection is unattainable, and as a practicing golf instructor, I’m inclined to agree, but maybe even if this is the sad reality for the human race, we can still strive to find perfection within our world. Perhaps a glimpse of our unattainable will be in store for us tonight when Black Cav...Read More

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gabriel · Hey,can I have my own blog? · 100 days ago ·

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zatt · Keep working hard and it will happen before you know it, Big G! · 100 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · When you're a little older kid... geez · 100 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Hope she comes home a winner. It would be a shame for her streak to end here. · 100 days ago ·

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footlick · Zarkava was pure brilliance. Just watch her races and there is no doubt. She faced her won age group, older fillies/mares and older males. She was extraordinary. JMHO · 100 days ago ·

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footlick · should have been "own" age group. · 100 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Absolutely Zarkava was, but 7 lifetime starts does not earn her the right to join the undefeated legends of the sport. · 100 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Live video of Black Caviar's race 11:50p.m. Eastern at drf.com · 100 days ago ·

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yukichan · Go Nelly!!! Seven furlongs? No problem! · 100 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Perfection! · 100 days ago ·

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yukichan · Like I said--seven furlongs...no problem! Watch out world, her she comes! · 100 days ago ·

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footlick · Beautiful race. · 100 days ago ·

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footlick · As far as Zarkava and greatness, I've debated it before and not going to do it again. If someone could tell me how many starts a horse needs to make, I would appreciate it. It must be something I missed. · 100 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Zarkava is a filly that no horse in history should be favored in a race with her. There may have been better but, who?, when? She destroyed Goldikova in her Goldi's prime at her distance twice. You can go up and down the bloodhorse top 10 list and she matches with any of them. This is not my humble opinion but a statement of fact proved on the track. · 100 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · @footlick According to sorces unknown the answer is obvious as to how many starts you need, that would be 63 the same as Kelso. Good as any other number above 6. · 100 days ago ·

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TimSmith · Ill go with more than 7.. Not enough races IMO .. Try doubling that 15 rac · 100 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I guess that leaves Goldikova out in the cold no matter how many races she had as Zarkava destroyed her twice at her prefered distance in only her fourth and fifth starts of her life. As a 3yo in seven races she matches up with or surpasses any other 3yo in history. If you can't rate her then how does bloodhorse rate Ruffian who only had 10 races against 3yo fillies at #35. Nothing against Ruffian but this is a point of interest to me unless of course you feel Ruffian doesn't belong. Secretariat faced older males three times losing two, Zarkava faced them once destroying the field in the Arc! I'm curious as to the origin of this logic used to determine how many races.I personally rate horses by performance. · 100 days ago ·

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footlick · Thanks, icyhotboo. I also think that sometimes you have to look at quality instead of quantity in determining greatness. She won two French filly classics, the major filly/mare prep for he Arc, and the Arc itself. She set a new stakes record in the Pouliches and equaled the stakes record in the Vermeille after dwelling at the start. But, that is just my opinion. · 100 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · I have to agree 1000% with ICYBOO, and Footlick. The unfair biased judgement against an International horse who was THE BEST Filly to run since All Along...(Another Super Mare ignored by your biased fan base) . You tell me any filly in history to win the ARC, Canadian International, The Joe Hirsch Turf Classic, and the United nations Handicap????. All 12f, and all vs open company in just over a month!!!, or The great AUSSIE Mare Makybe Diva?. 3 Straight Melbourne cups vs open company at 2 MILES!!, or her Cox plate?.. See past the Zenyatta Goggles and you will see there were better Fillies, and Mares who ran before her. · 87 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · Nobody was giving a Sh1t during the Diva's great career to even give her a mention...or the great mare Sunline prior to her?.....I could list you a dozen Fillies, or Mares who would be much more deserving as #1, #2 on your useless 250 Filly/Mare All time list. · 87 days ago ·

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footlick · @MarcelloMarocco- Makybe · 87 days ago ·

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footlick · Sorry- Makybe Diva certainly was one of the greats of all time. And Sunline would not be far behind her. But their view of Zarkava is tempered by her total starts. They ignore the actual quality of the races she won with ease. But everyone has their own opinions. · 87 days ago ·

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RuffianQueenOfRacing · I would find it hard to believe any filly would be more deserving then Ruffian in the number 1 spot for best filly, but there is a number 1 spot for best mare that a lot of mares can claim. Makybe Diva, Black Caviar, Sunline, Kincsem (54 and 54), Fashion, Peppers Pride, Zarkava, Zenyatta.... A lot of mares can claim that number 1 spot for best mare. They are all so good. · 86 days ago ·

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RuffianQueenOfRacing · I cant see my comment... I was going to add Goldikova to my list too! Zarkava beat her, a Goldikova won what? something like 3 BCmiles? · 86 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · RuffianQueenOfRacing - "Peppers Pride...can claim that number 1 spot for best mare. Please. The insane comments never cease here. But, and again, Peppers Pride raced only against New Mexico bred horses. · 86 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · As for the measure of greatness I would also have to say that a horse must also have raced at least two seasons and at least ten races. · 86 days ago ·

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RuffianQueenOfRacing · 1st off vinnie, i said she was 1 of many who can hold a claim to that title. A horse does not have to win at least 10 races to be great! Regulus 9 for 9! Same as St Simon, Raise A Native, only 4 starts for 4 wins, yet he won champ 2 year old, and broke record in those 4 starts. Sow how about you take your oh so popular insane comments and go put them somewhere will no one will see them so you dont continue to embarrass yourself · 86 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · RuffianQueenOfRacing-sure. Just like Landaluce, a two year old filly champion that was five for five winning those five races by almost 50 lengths and not even listed in Bloodhorse's Greatest 'American' racehorses. · 86 days ago ·

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RuffianQueenOfRacing · Well by your own words, a horse isn't great unless theyve raced in 10 races, so if you want to be ignorant, then I can be to, you win. Guess this means every horse that hasnt raced in 10 races isnt great. Poor Landaluce. · 86 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · And RQoR-Peppers Pride is not, will not, and forever never "hold claim to that title" (1 spot for best mare). Plain and simple. She won only against New Mexico bred horses. Any comparison with horses that ran in Grade 1 races and defeated Eclipse Award Champions is absolutely absured. · 86 days ago ·

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RuffianQueenOfRacing · Well too bad, she is =) · 86 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · If you think that ten races is ignorant then just look at the list by Bloodhorse. As far as I can gather there is just one horse, #94 Artful (1902) that raced less than ten races. All other horses raced at least ten races. · 86 days ago ·

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RuffianQueenOfRacing · Hey, im just trying to get my head around you saying Landaluce was great, and then you said no horse that races in under 10 races is great. Yeah she died young, but doesnt mean she could not have raced more, if she was so great, i mean im just going off what are saying sooo · 86 days ago ·

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