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Breeding Racehorses: Finding A Boyfriend For Groupie Doll

My quest to find a few suitable stallions for 2012 Breeder's Cup Filly and Mare Sprint winner, Groupie Doll. Some choices are obvious, but at least one will certainly surprise you.Read More

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kaitlinefree1 · also rated at A or above with Birdstone, Smoke Glacken, To Honor and Serve, Arch (A++), Blame (A++), Algorithms, First Samurai, Flatter, Horse Greely, War Front, Alphabet Soup, Any Given Saturday (A++), Bernardini, Regal Ransom (A++), Street Cry, Archarcharch (A++), Malibu Moon, Colonel John (A++), Artie Schiller, Bellamy Road, Distorted Humor (A++), Drosselmeyer (A++), Gemologist (A++), More Than Ready, Tiznow (A++), Ghostzapper, Awesome Again, Giacomo, Flower Alley (A++), English Channel, Giant's Causeway, Cape Blanco, Fusaichi Pegasus (A++), Stay Thirsty, Flashy Bull, Include, Devil His Due (A++), Forestry, Freud, Grindstone, Jazil, Johar, Macho Uno, Action This Day, Roman Ruler, & Stormy Atlantic. · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · also rated at A or above with Birdstone, Smoke Glacken, To Honor and Serve, Arch (A++), Blame (A++), Algorithms, First Samurai, Flatter, Horse Greely, War Front, Alphabet Soup, Any Given Saturday (A++), Bernardini, Regal Ransom (A++), Street Cry, Archarcharch (A++), Malibu Moon, Colonel John (A++), Artie Schiller, Bellamy Road, Distorted Humor (A++), Drosselmeyer (A++), Gemologist (A++), More Than Ready, Tiznow (A++), Ghostzapper, Awesome Again, Giacomo, Flower Alley (A++), English Channel, Giant's Causeway, Cape Blanco, Fusaichi Pegasus (A++), Stay Thirsty, Flashy Bull, Include, Devil His Due (A++), Forestry, Freud, Grindstone, Jazil, Johar, Macho Uno, Action This Day, Roman Ruler, & Stormy Atlantic. · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · my favorite five are Elusive Quality, Arch, Ghostzapper, Giant's Causeway, & Fusaichi Pegasus. · 55 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · I looked at her pedigree and her strongest lines are in the 4th and 5 th generations...So we are hoping her talent seeps thru somehow...I really like the 3/4 brother of Frankel for her ... The Nicks are there and you are putting a distance speed horse on top of a sprint speed mare both with acquired class.. BULLET TRAIN....AND he will be in his 2nd season of stud which I like best..... The Prince John Line is a added benefit on the bottom.. along with... Northern Dancer His Majesty etc. · 55 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · I can just imagine what the Colt or Filly she would throw would look like WOW !!! · 55 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · No Frankel around................. How good would Bullet Train look ??? · 55 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Quality Road. Also A++ with Groupie Doll. Liked him since before his spaz in the '09 BCC. That was horrible handling of him, except for the guy that caught him while QR was blindfolded, and didn't let him run off to get injured. I allowed him excuses that others didn't. But, I see plenty o' excuses for their favs. Fast, fast, fast. I don't know a thing about breeding horses or what makes a good match, just liked this one. Hope Groupie Doll can still come back though, not be a mom yet, until a few more nice wins. I like your analysis of the matches, cocoa, but I'm not keen on the town bicycle, Tapit. · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · yeah i'm definitely not a huge fan of Tapit for Groupie Doll. & i really didn't like him for Zenyatta either. · 55 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Quality Road provided such a great potential for racing........Almost got me worked up but then distance and soundness limitations crashed that idea. I just resort to one of the watch words given to me by a pro:NEVER fall in love with a horse. It just confounds your wagering. · 55 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · Bullet Train also Brings along Dosage containing .... Classic Stamina Brillance and Solid · 55 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · And Northern Dancer up front thru one of his greatest son's · 55 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · Is it worth a $7500.00 shot?? You bet it is............. · 55 days ago ·

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Floridaf · I would argue that Groupie Doll is not late maturing. Yes, she did her best racing last year (2012), but it wasn't like she was not winning in 2011. Personally I like Shackleford for Groupie Doll, but I think his size could potentially be an issue. · 55 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Colin, I would like to add that I am quite impressed with your writing skills. From an editing standpoint, well done! · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · I do want to point out, like floridaf, that Groupie Doll wasn't specifically late maturing. I think she excelled once the blinkers were added. I don't think she'll ever return to form, by the way. Great article, cocoa/colin. I like all your choices, perhaps besides Eddington. · 55 days ago ·

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rf0321 · Algorithms..? · 55 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · as cocoa said many months ago... UNCLE MO · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · Uncle Mo, Quality Road, Tapit. · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · ^Top 3. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · @Kaitlin, while TrueNicks is a fantastic device for evalutating pedigree, it should get only so much credit. It fails to bring stud fee, location, conformation, ability and foal size into the equation. Tapit, for instance, is a good example. TrueNicks gives him a C+, yet I found multiple VERY successful horses from a Tapit/Dixieland band cross and from a Tapit/Deputy Minister cross. Why Tapit is rated C+ with her is beyond me and I find it a little crazy. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · @LennyGeorge, Bullet Train is certainly an outstanding individual, however he is bigger than I like and he is also not a great fit for her. While Groupie Doll is not one who excels on dirt, the opposite can be said of Bullet Train. It is rare nowadays that an imported stallion will have great success, and as good as Bullet Train is, I don't think he is a good fit for Groupie Doll. For a mare like Lady of Shamrock, I'd book him right now! · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · @Mary, Katlin and Travel_vic, Quality Road is an outstanding individual. I considered him, but decided that since I had Elusive Quality, I might as well not write Quality Road. If GD and EQ do cross, and their foal is successful, I would expect that GD may visit Quality Road. · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · I agree with cocoa on Bullet Train. And, I think the two are very bad together. But, as cocoa said, for Lady of Shamrock I wouldn't hesitate to book him. I hope he gets plenty of solid mares. He could help establish turf excellence and endurance much like Dynaformer did. I'm very excited for the potential of turf excellence and endurance influences entering stud soon. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Floridaf, Rafi, Groupie Doll hit her best stride not as a baby but as a older individual. While it wasn't like she couldn't win at 2 and 3, it is more that she just was on a level playing field. Now she towers over the whole sprinting division. Bowman's Band was like that too, not starting until his 3 year old year. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Rafi: what don't you like about Eddington? · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · Just not one of my top choices. Hasn't thrown enough big ones out, for me, perhaps beside Secret Circle. Unless, I'm forgetting someone? I really like the choice of Uncle Mo. · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · I also question Eddington's size, based on the pics. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Rafi, Eddington hasn't had the chance to get good mares. With the poor quality amount he does get, he does amazing things! I've emailed Claiborne about his height, just now. · 55 days ago ·

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cab2536 · Good analysis, guys. While it appears to be popular sentiment recently to be a little down on Tapit, I happen to think that he is one of the best sires in the U.S. He consistently produces the goods often with very little to work with. I give a lot more credit to sires like him who do it (rise to prominence) the hard way (starting at $12.5K) rather than those who start off high and flop to moderate levels (Ghostzapper at $200K comes to mind, even though he has stepped it up of late). Based on the choices offered here – to me, Tapit would appear to be the safest bet. · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · Cool, cocoa. Let me know his size/height. Based on my eye (just staring at a pic) he seems big compared to Groupie Doll. Could cause issues. · 55 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Like Kaitline said, Elusive Quality is a great choice, as is Ghostzapper, Awesome Again., Lonhro, and Bullet Train · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · He's 16 3/4 hands, Eddington is · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · That's pretty big. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Ghostzapper, Awesome Again., Lonhro, and Bullet Train could not be worse choices. Please do not just list the names of successful horses. · 55 days ago ·

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rafirox · Those are all sucky horses for Groupie Doll. Uncle Mo's my top choice. · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · what about Shackleford? hes rated a C+. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Shackleford is a tall, lean, Forestry/Unbridled stallion who is unproven. His size scares me. With a mare like Groupie Doll you want something proven, and he isn't. There is really little upside about him. He didn't have amazing blinding speed, just the ability to stay in front long enough to win. I loved him as a racehorse, but his value as a sire and match for Groupie Doll is minimal · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · is Uncle Mo proven? because i'm really not sure. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · No, he isn't. That's why Elusive Quality, then Midnight Lute, then Eddington, then Tapit and then Uncle Mo would be my breeding order. If you remember, proven means the horse has babies that have raced. · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · yeah thats what i thought. i like Elusive Quality. Groupie Doll is also rated an A++ with Smarty Jones. that could be a nice possibility. · 55 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · yeah thats what i thought. i like Elusive Quality. Groupie Doll is also rated an A++ with Smarty Jones. that could be a nice possibility. · 55 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Cocoa- where have you been?. DO you even know what you are talking about?. With comments like yours you would think you started in this sport yesterday. Do you have ANY idea how succesfull Elusive Quality, Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro has been at stud?......learn something. Bullet train is simply judging off his pedigree, which is top notch. · 55 days ago ·

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Averie Elizabeth · I believe Midnight Lute would be on of the best choices for Groupie Doll. · 55 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · How many Gr 1 winners, or Group winners do my list of sires have to sire in order for you to wake up and see the light. My list of sires have sired Classic winners, Breeders cup winners, Multiple GR1, and Group winners.....keep yapping . · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Marcello, just picking successful horses does nothing. Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro, successful or not, are not good fits. We are picking a stallion for GROUPIE DOLL. Therefore we are matchmaking. Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro do not suit her at all. · 55 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · What is the program that generates the matchup potential? Does anyone know how the algorithm works? I assume there is a crazy database somewhere. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · TrueNicks gives the letter grades. (truenicks.com) Their formula is based off pedigree completely. No regard for conformation, and the rest. They try to find nicks, lines that cross well with eachother. the theory of nicks is an old one. · 55 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Thanks, Cocoa. I'll go check it out. I'm familiar with breeding nicks, but I wonder what they use as the metric to determine success grade on their website. They have to use something that gauges progeny with similar breeding? Earnings perhaps? · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · They use graded level and sales prices I think. When one scrolls down on a report that's the statistics given · 54 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Sprinter to sprinter ... How about Kodiak Kowboy? · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · TrueNicks F, the Silver Deputy / Posse inbreeding is something to watch. No major winners off the cross, even though I would like to see it. · 54 days ago ·

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