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June 19, 2012 6:59 AM

Timeform, the UK equivalent of the DRF, gives Frankel a 147 rating for his Queen Anne Stakes win - the highest Timeform rating ever!

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I've said before that I'm sceptical of Timeform ratings. I've also said that I feel that Black Caviar is being held back in ratings because she is a sprinter, and that I'm happy to corrected if I'm wrong about that, and so far, noone has contradicted me about it. In my opinion, Black Caviar has raced stronger competition than Frankel, for example, I would rate Hay List above any of the horses Frankel beat in the Queen Anne Stakes, and I don't think running longer distances necessarily makes one horse better than another. Black Caviar's connections are not avoiding Frankel, Black Caviar's main target in the UK was always the Diamond Jubilee Stakes; I have read that Frankel's connections refuse to drop him back in trip, even to 7f which is probably the fairest distance for them to meet. Instead, they expect Black Caviar to step up to a mile, a trip she's never tried before, in order to meet Frankel, which doesn't sound entirely fair to me. Frankel is not exactly going out of his way to meet Black Caviar either, since he was never entered in the Diamond Jubilee, and he is not entered in the July Cup, the other UK race that Black Caviar is entered in, either.

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I don't watch International Races much but Frankel is better. He races better competiton, he races longer distances and Black Caviers ownership avoid races with Frankel in them.

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Disco747..... All u do is continue to dis frankel.... if black caviar is as good as u say she is then why is her timeform rating lower than frankel, why are her beyers lower than his..... point is.... stop dissin frankel and accept the fact that he is better than black caviar......(:

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HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If that's true, he eclipses Sea Bird as the highest Timeform rated horse ever. Sea Bird had a rating of 145 in 1962, and both Brigadier Gerard in 1968 and Tudor Minstrel in 1944 had received Timeform ratings of 144. What a performance, what horse!!

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Now the comments seem to be working again, so I don't know what's going on. Frankel does not deserve that rating; Black Caviar should be rated much higher since she has achieved far more than Frankel has, winning 21 races from 21 starts, and mostly winning them more easily than Frankel, since he has often been ridden much harder than she has. Sea The Stars has also achieved more than Frankel, being the only horse ever to win the 2000 Guineas, the Epsom Derby, and the Prix de'l Arc de Triomphe. In fact, I also think that Camelot has achieved more than Frankel, since like Sea The Stars, he has won the 2000 Guineas and the Epsom Derby, and what makes Camelot's Classic double even more impressive is that, being by Montjeu, Camelot is not really bred to win over a mile, he's bred to win over further.