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Honor Code to Skip BC Juvenile

Foxwoods Champagne runner-up Honor Code could see action again this year but most likely it will be at Aqueduct Racetrack, not Santa Anita Park, Hall of Fame trainer Shug McGaughey said Sunday morning.

 

"I'll watch him and see," he said of the 2-year-old A. P. Indy colt, who is owned by Lane's End Racing and Dell Ridge Farm. "I'm not real inclined to go to the Breeders' Cup with him. Obviously I'll talk to Mr. [Will] Farish and see what they want to do. As I've said before, I'd sure like to have a nice horse for next year. You've got the Remsen [Grade 2, November 30] going 1 1/8 miles going around two turns. I'm sure not ruling out the Nashua [Grade 2, one mile, November 3] and the Remsen, or maybe just the Remsen."

 

McGaughey hopes to be represented in next month's Breeders' Cup with multiple Grade 1 winner Point of Entry, who breezed five furlongs in 1:02.88 over Belmont's main track on Saturday, his fourth work since returning to training on September 14.

 

"I'm hoping [Hall of Fame jockey] Johnny [Velazquez] will be back from Keeneland next Sunday to work him on the turf, and go from there," said McGaughey of Point of Entry, who emerged from his victory in the Grade 1 Woodford Reserve Manhattan Handicap in June with a condylar fracture in his left hind cannon bone that was surgically repaired.

 

"I'm more than pleased with how he's doing," he added. "He's going the right direction, the right way, without overdoing it. His work yesterday on the dirt was a nice work. He galloped out in 1:16 so he's getting a good bottom. If he keeps going in the right direction, I'd work him three more times [before the Breeders' Cup Turf], and I think that will be enough. We'll just have to see. Right now, I'm really, really enthusiastic about what I'm seeing."

 

McGaughey also issued a positive report on Kentucky Derby winner Orb, who returned to Belmont Park last week after a brief sojourn at the Fair Hill Training Center in Maryland following his eighth-place finish in the Grade 1 Jockey Club Gold Cup Invitational on September 28.

 

"He's been good," said the trainer. "It's been about a week, so I'll probably try to work him in next week and see where he is. I don't know what I'm going to do with him, if I do anything. I'll let him tell me. If it's time to stop, we'll stop. But the Cigar Mile [Grade 1, November 30, Aqueduct] could be a very good possibility."

 

 

 

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Thanks for the links >> This re thread topic__“A lot of my winners have been 2-year-olds,” Mandella said. “If it helps anybody to be at home, it would be a 2-year-old. Action This Day, for instance, I wouldn’t have been in a hurry to take him somewhere, even though at the time he was doing the best of the three I had in the race. Phone Chatter and Halfbridled were proven. But Beholder, I might have been a little bit concerned about taking her somewhere because she’s so excitable. She’s not easy.” -- Richard Mandella
Interesting article kay. Thank you. I'm currently reading this article. http://www.thinkythings.org/horseracing/lasixinfo.html#causes
here is a link to the article I mentioned: http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/restricted/pdf/magazine/RidingthePine-1005-distilled.pdf?CFID=78741107&CFTOKEN=24687621
Sorry for the dbl post. The screen froze and the only way to get out was to repost.
Years ago you did not have winter racing in NY etc. This came in because of OTB and simulcasting. Most horses finished in December and started back in March at Hialeah or either Hollywood, Santa Anita or a Tanforan ( which was a long time ago). In NY many years ago in the '60's the 2 mile Display handicap was the last race on the calendar. One of the problems with expanded winter racing is not only the horses lack a break but also as the foal crops shrink, there are not enough horses to fill the races in other venues which used to be full prior to the advent of winter racing and are contributing to the demise of many tracks and the desperation to gets slots at the tracks. Also while LASIx is a major driver of drug problems, there is also the combination of other drugs and steroids that is not helping horses either.
Years ago you did not have winter racing in NY etc. This came in because of OTB and simulcasting. Most horses finished in December and started back in March at Hialeah or either Hollywood, Santa Anita or a Tanforan ( which was a long time ago). In NY many years ago in the '60's the 2 mile Display handicap was the last race on the calendar. One of the problems with expanded winter racing is not only the horses lack a break but also as the foal crops shrink, there are not enough horses to fill the races in other venues which used to be full prior to the advent of winter racing and are contributing to the demise of many tracks and the desperation to gets slots at the tracks. Also while LASIx is a major driver of drug problems, there is also the combination of other drugs and steroids that is not helping horses either.
i read a good article recently on why horses in europe can run races closer together in time than our american horses. the conclusions were that overseas horses were much more physically fit that they get nice long winter breaks due to a shorter racing season and no lasix which can cause debilitating dehydration. i am on my kindle or i would try to link it.
One thing that everyone is not taking into consideration when comparing two year old to the glory days is Lasix(furosemide). I'm just a fan and don't know about the effect of such medication but from what I've heard, it take a horse long to recover from it. Maybe I will do some research on it and post my finding later. I agreed with Mike that horses that run often normally stays more sound but it not that alone, it is how gradually you increase their workload. You just can't jump them from 5f to 8.5f or 9f, I think horses to gradually increase their distance.
Mike i will explain the Preakness and the 2 week turnaround.Heck lets add the 3 weeks to the Belmont Stakes also.I am not saying they can't run big races.But just look at recent history.How many of the recent greats who were very competetive in all the races,where around later that year to talk about it at a high level.Not to many. It has nothing to do with them being able to do it or not.All about how much do you want to preserve your horse for the long run.I will still use Orb as the example.It is embarrassing in my eyes that the Derby Winner had to come back and run a good race in the Travers and almost pull up in the JCGC. Sooner or later,you keep going to the well with them to many times .They will answer to the Man. I am not saying either one of us is right,but when it comes to horses careers.I am one that looks at it as a Marathon,rather than a sprint.
Mike in SB, I like your comments.
I like this move with Honor Code. The Juvenile while it can be an exciting race, it has provided exactly ONE Kentucky Derby Winner in 28 years in Street Sense. Either our Juvenile winners have been injured and subsequently retired before the big day or they just don't show up performance wise that day.
I agree TCGlory. There has only been one BC Juv winner win the Derby(Street Sense), as well as there's been only one BC Juv Filly winner win the Ky Oaks(Silverbulletday). The breeding has changed, as well as the offspring population has escalated.
probally skipping due to the juvenile is a death trap for horses trying to get to the derby
Tmallios the point I am trying to make is that I do not believe it is better for the horse to have 5-6 weeks between races. I am not saying run Honor Code in the Juvenile, I don't think it is the best way to get to the Triple Crown races and I also don't think he has the style to win the race. If horses can't run two good races in 2 weeks how do you explain the Preakness? Everyone talks about wanting a fresh horse but the vast majority of Preakness winners ran the toughest race of their lives just two weeks earlier in the Derby. I simply do not believe it is good for the horse to have long gaps between races. The history of the sport shows that horses often have great proformances with 2-3 weeks between races. I am not disapointed as a fan that horses don't race more often, I believe that running so infrequently is bad for the horse, leading to more breakdowns and injuries.
Mike, it has nothing to do with how frquently or infrequently a horse runs. It is about what type of an effort the horse put through. This thread is about Honor Code.Do you have any idea as to how strenuous an effort this horse laid on the line this past Saturday. It will probably take him a week or so ,just to recover and gain back strength he might of lost due to the exertion.Then you have to get them back on track.Remember,because the race is in Cali. , your time is cut shorter due to travel time and getting acclimated in new surroundings. I am not saying he can't or won't win. But after such an effort,why flip him right back and possibly expose him to a more strenuous task. It is not worth it. As far as the 70's and 80's . As i said earlier,it ws a different time back then.More people are involved in high stakes racing now.The purse structure and the many races afforded owners.This allows them to pick and chose.Save their horses for maximum efforts. A s a fan, i agree. It sucks when you do not see them as often.As a realist, i agree 1000 % with the safer the better approach.
I just don't understand why people think running horses as few times as possible is either good for the sport or for the horses. As Lazmannick said the great horses from the 1970's all ran a lot more as 2 year olds, the difference is they started in sprints and built a foundation over several months. Todays 2 year olds run once or twice and are put right into two turn races. As for 3 year olds again just look at the records from the 1970' and 1980's, horses ran more often, more frequently and stayed sound more and had longer careers. Look at last years 3 year old males, both Union Rags and Ill Have Another had long gaps between races and neither one lasted past June, compare that to this year, both Palace Malice and Will Take Charge have run 9 times and are still going strong. I see no evidance that it is in any way better for the horses to have 6-7 weeks between races. If Princess of Sylmar is in top form and the connections must think she is, I see no point in not running her in the Distaff.
If ANYONE does not have a bit of the iconoclast in them, they will not last long in the parimutuels.
Anne you might be in the minority.The good thing is that you are on the correct side of common sense.How many times can one go to the well,before it dries up.Many will argue in the past that they ran with more frequency. Maybe it was that the purse structures were not what they are to pay in comparison to the economies at the times.You know i love Todd as a trainer,but idf you look at his track record with the Distaff.Fleet Indian broke Down on the Track and a couple of years back (i forget her name) never picked up her feet in that controversial race at CD. God forbid, i am not saying anything like this will reccur. But how can this filly be at 100 % after the incredible performances she just laid out on the line.Best news i can hear from the barn.Is that they pass.Win or Lose if they run.i THINK THE RISK IS NOT WORTH THE REWARD.
It’s 1000% if you really want to polish the Posse apple, LAZ :D
I agree 100% Tom.

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