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Breeding Racehorses: Finding A Boyfriend For Groupie Doll

My quest to find a few suitable stallions for 2012 Breeder's Cup Filly and Mare Sprint winner, Groupie Doll. Some choices are obvious, but at least one will certainly surprise you.Read More

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kaitlinefree1 · also rated at A or above with Birdstone, Smoke Glacken, To Honor and Serve, Arch (A++), Blame (A++), Algorithms, First Samurai, Flatter, Horse Greely, War Front, Alphabet Soup, Any Given Saturday (A++), Bernardini, Regal Ransom (A++), Street Cry, Archarcharch (A++), Malibu Moon, Colonel John (A++), Artie Schiller, Bellamy Road, Distorted Humor (A++), Drosselmeyer (A++), Gemologist (A++), More Than Ready, Tiznow (A++), Ghostzapper, Awesome Again, Giacomo, Flower Alley (A++), English Channel, Giant's Causeway, Cape Blanco, Fusaichi Pegasus (A++), Stay Thirsty, Flashy Bull, Include, Devil His Due (A++), Forestry, Freud, Grindstone, Jazil, Johar, Macho Uno, Action This Day, Roman Ruler, & Stormy Atlantic. · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · also rated at A or above with Birdstone, Smoke Glacken, To Honor and Serve, Arch (A++), Blame (A++), Algorithms, First Samurai, Flatter, Horse Greely, War Front, Alphabet Soup, Any Given Saturday (A++), Bernardini, Regal Ransom (A++), Street Cry, Archarcharch (A++), Malibu Moon, Colonel John (A++), Artie Schiller, Bellamy Road, Distorted Humor (A++), Drosselmeyer (A++), Gemologist (A++), More Than Ready, Tiznow (A++), Ghostzapper, Awesome Again, Giacomo, Flower Alley (A++), English Channel, Giant's Causeway, Cape Blanco, Fusaichi Pegasus (A++), Stay Thirsty, Flashy Bull, Include, Devil His Due (A++), Forestry, Freud, Grindstone, Jazil, Johar, Macho Uno, Action This Day, Roman Ruler, & Stormy Atlantic. · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · my favorite five are Elusive Quality, Arch, Ghostzapper, Giant's Causeway, & Fusaichi Pegasus. · 54 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · I looked at her pedigree and her strongest lines are in the 4th and 5 th generations...So we are hoping her talent seeps thru somehow...I really like the 3/4 brother of Frankel for her ... The Nicks are there and you are putting a distance speed horse on top of a sprint speed mare both with acquired class.. BULLET TRAIN....AND he will be in his 2nd season of stud which I like best..... The Prince John Line is a added benefit on the bottom.. along with... Northern Dancer His Majesty etc. · 54 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · I can just imagine what the Colt or Filly she would throw would look like WOW !!! · 54 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · No Frankel around................. How good would Bullet Train look ??? · 54 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Quality Road. Also A++ with Groupie Doll. Liked him since before his spaz in the '09 BCC. That was horrible handling of him, except for the guy that caught him while QR was blindfolded, and didn't let him run off to get injured. I allowed him excuses that others didn't. But, I see plenty o' excuses for their favs. Fast, fast, fast. I don't know a thing about breeding horses or what makes a good match, just liked this one. Hope Groupie Doll can still come back though, not be a mom yet, until a few more nice wins. I like your analysis of the matches, cocoa, but I'm not keen on the town bicycle, Tapit. · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · yeah i'm definitely not a huge fan of Tapit for Groupie Doll. & i really didn't like him for Zenyatta either. · 54 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Quality Road provided such a great potential for racing........Almost got me worked up but then distance and soundness limitations crashed that idea. I just resort to one of the watch words given to me by a pro:NEVER fall in love with a horse. It just confounds your wagering. · 54 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · Bullet Train also Brings along Dosage containing .... Classic Stamina Brillance and Solid · 54 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · And Northern Dancer up front thru one of his greatest son's · 54 days ago ·

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LennyGeorge · Is it worth a $7500.00 shot?? You bet it is............. · 54 days ago ·

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Floridaf · I would argue that Groupie Doll is not late maturing. Yes, she did her best racing last year (2012), but it wasn't like she was not winning in 2011. Personally I like Shackleford for Groupie Doll, but I think his size could potentially be an issue. · 54 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Colin, I would like to add that I am quite impressed with your writing skills. From an editing standpoint, well done! · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · I do want to point out, like floridaf, that Groupie Doll wasn't specifically late maturing. I think she excelled once the blinkers were added. I don't think she'll ever return to form, by the way. Great article, cocoa/colin. I like all your choices, perhaps besides Eddington. · 54 days ago ·

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rf0321 · Algorithms..? · 54 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · as cocoa said many months ago... UNCLE MO · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · Uncle Mo, Quality Road, Tapit. · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · ^Top 3. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · @Kaitlin, while TrueNicks is a fantastic device for evalutating pedigree, it should get only so much credit. It fails to bring stud fee, location, conformation, ability and foal size into the equation. Tapit, for instance, is a good example. TrueNicks gives him a C+, yet I found multiple VERY successful horses from a Tapit/Dixieland band cross and from a Tapit/Deputy Minister cross. Why Tapit is rated C+ with her is beyond me and I find it a little crazy. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · @LennyGeorge, Bullet Train is certainly an outstanding individual, however he is bigger than I like and he is also not a great fit for her. While Groupie Doll is not one who excels on dirt, the opposite can be said of Bullet Train. It is rare nowadays that an imported stallion will have great success, and as good as Bullet Train is, I don't think he is a good fit for Groupie Doll. For a mare like Lady of Shamrock, I'd book him right now! · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · @Mary, Katlin and Travel_vic, Quality Road is an outstanding individual. I considered him, but decided that since I had Elusive Quality, I might as well not write Quality Road. If GD and EQ do cross, and their foal is successful, I would expect that GD may visit Quality Road. · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · I agree with cocoa on Bullet Train. And, I think the two are very bad together. But, as cocoa said, for Lady of Shamrock I wouldn't hesitate to book him. I hope he gets plenty of solid mares. He could help establish turf excellence and endurance much like Dynaformer did. I'm very excited for the potential of turf excellence and endurance influences entering stud soon. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Floridaf, Rafi, Groupie Doll hit her best stride not as a baby but as a older individual. While it wasn't like she couldn't win at 2 and 3, it is more that she just was on a level playing field. Now she towers over the whole sprinting division. Bowman's Band was like that too, not starting until his 3 year old year. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Rafi: what don't you like about Eddington? · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · Just not one of my top choices. Hasn't thrown enough big ones out, for me, perhaps beside Secret Circle. Unless, I'm forgetting someone? I really like the choice of Uncle Mo. · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · I also question Eddington's size, based on the pics. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Rafi, Eddington hasn't had the chance to get good mares. With the poor quality amount he does get, he does amazing things! I've emailed Claiborne about his height, just now. · 54 days ago ·

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cab2536 · Good analysis, guys. While it appears to be popular sentiment recently to be a little down on Tapit, I happen to think that he is one of the best sires in the U.S. He consistently produces the goods often with very little to work with. I give a lot more credit to sires like him who do it (rise to prominence) the hard way (starting at $12.5K) rather than those who start off high and flop to moderate levels (Ghostzapper at $200K comes to mind, even though he has stepped it up of late). Based on the choices offered here – to me, Tapit would appear to be the safest bet. · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · Cool, cocoa. Let me know his size/height. Based on my eye (just staring at a pic) he seems big compared to Groupie Doll. Could cause issues. · 54 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Like Kaitline said, Elusive Quality is a great choice, as is Ghostzapper, Awesome Again., Lonhro, and Bullet Train · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · He's 16 3/4 hands, Eddington is · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · That's pretty big. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Ghostzapper, Awesome Again., Lonhro, and Bullet Train could not be worse choices. Please do not just list the names of successful horses. · 54 days ago ·

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rafirox · Those are all sucky horses for Groupie Doll. Uncle Mo's my top choice. · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · what about Shackleford? hes rated a C+. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Shackleford is a tall, lean, Forestry/Unbridled stallion who is unproven. His size scares me. With a mare like Groupie Doll you want something proven, and he isn't. There is really little upside about him. He didn't have amazing blinding speed, just the ability to stay in front long enough to win. I loved him as a racehorse, but his value as a sire and match for Groupie Doll is minimal · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · is Uncle Mo proven? because i'm really not sure. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · No, he isn't. That's why Elusive Quality, then Midnight Lute, then Eddington, then Tapit and then Uncle Mo would be my breeding order. If you remember, proven means the horse has babies that have raced. · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · yeah thats what i thought. i like Elusive Quality. Groupie Doll is also rated an A++ with Smarty Jones. that could be a nice possibility. · 54 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · yeah thats what i thought. i like Elusive Quality. Groupie Doll is also rated an A++ with Smarty Jones. that could be a nice possibility. · 54 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Cocoa- where have you been?. DO you even know what you are talking about?. With comments like yours you would think you started in this sport yesterday. Do you have ANY idea how succesfull Elusive Quality, Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro has been at stud?......learn something. Bullet train is simply judging off his pedigree, which is top notch. · 54 days ago ·

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Averie Elizabeth · I believe Midnight Lute would be on of the best choices for Groupie Doll. · 54 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · How many Gr 1 winners, or Group winners do my list of sires have to sire in order for you to wake up and see the light. My list of sires have sired Classic winners, Breeders cup winners, Multiple GR1, and Group winners.....keep yapping . · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Marcello, just picking successful horses does nothing. Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro, successful or not, are not good fits. We are picking a stallion for GROUPIE DOLL. Therefore we are matchmaking. Awesome Again, Ghostzapper, Lohnro do not suit her at all. · 54 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · What is the program that generates the matchup potential? Does anyone know how the algorithm works? I assume there is a crazy database somewhere. · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · TrueNicks gives the letter grades. (truenicks.com) Their formula is based off pedigree completely. No regard for conformation, and the rest. They try to find nicks, lines that cross well with eachother. the theory of nicks is an old one. · 54 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Thanks, Cocoa. I'll go check it out. I'm familiar with breeding nicks, but I wonder what they use as the metric to determine success grade on their website. They have to use something that gauges progeny with similar breeding? Earnings perhaps? · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · They use graded level and sales prices I think. When one scrolls down on a report that's the statistics given · 54 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Sprinter to sprinter ... How about Kodiak Kowboy? · 54 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · TrueNicks F, the Silver Deputy / Posse inbreeding is something to watch. No major winners off the cross, even though I would like to see it. · 54 days ago ·

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2013 Rebel Stakes: Welcome to Baffert Springs

Bob Baffert returns to Oaklawn in attempt to extend two active winning streaksRead More

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BrianZipse · All good streaks must come to an end sooner or later ... it's time. · 65 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · So whos gonna end it? · 64 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · Texas Bling! · 64 days ago ·

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CauseForConcern · And the beat goes on. You're gonna cry 99 tears. · 64 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · I like Treasury Bill over Delhomme. · 64 days ago ·

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The Beast · I agree w/ Zipse... Treasury Bill comes flying late to Win... Can't agree w/ the Delhomme pice though... thats's an awfully long layoff for him, even though he has gone 1-1/8 before. Treasury Bill, Super99, Oxbow, Den's Legacy · 64 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Late colts just have a very very hard time winning at 8.5 at Oaklawn. · 64 days ago ·

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kentuckyderbypost · Den's Legacy has had an interesting road to 10 KyDerby points: 3rd in CashCall, 2nd in Sham, 2nd in Robert B. Lewis. Another top three finish is going to keep on the slow road to the KyDerby but does anyone think he's flying under the radar? Or will the Rebel be his first time finishing outside the top 3? · 64 days ago ·

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travel_vic · sounds like the consistent sort most would love to own. · 64 days ago ·

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The Beast · Yeah, consistently not good enough... i could see him finishing 3rd or 4th.. no better. · 64 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Black type in the pedigree does not have to come via a win: participate at the top and impress that way a la a Hard Spun, the bridesmaid, Alydar the bridesmaid. · 64 days ago ·

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railbird33 · One interesting move in this race is Gomez from Den's Legacy to the first time starter at 3 YO- Delhomme. The long lay-off worries me (Overanalyze), but not now!! · 64 days ago ·

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jinlie01 · Oxobw and Treasury Bill with longshot Carve. Super99 will be a very short price. · 64 days ago ·

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CauseForConcern · Den's Legacy has a good record(consistent), but, this will mark the 1st time outside of California. Question is, can he ship? · 64 days ago ·

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vigitto · I think that the fractions will be scorching and Treasury Bill will have a chance to be a probable Derby runner. · 63 days ago ·

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bigbill859 · baffert can be beat u will see to much hipe · 63 days ago ·

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amdaman · Baffert will win it alright, but not with Super Ninety Nine, and at odds of 10-1, or better. · 63 days ago ·

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shadowno · S99, Treasury Bill, Dens Legacy · 63 days ago ·

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ria_d · I'm going with a long shot tri - 1,2, 9 - Treasury Bill, Carve, Oxbow. Also 1, 2, 10 switch Oxbow with S99. · 63 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Treasury Bill should be sitting a good trip, no worse than 5th. · 63 days ago ·

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ria_d · I'm hoping for the 1A, 9, 4, 10 set some very fast faction which should setup for the Presser and deep closer. I know OP has been bias E and E/P but hoping for a change. This has been a balance week of bias at OP with the S being a bit lower. · 63 days ago ·

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travel_vic · at shorter route differences, there is no guarantee that the speed will not just run away with the contests as they often do. Why is there this common belief that fast early means closers will win? It just does not happen to the extent people believe it occuring. · 63 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Energy distribution bias is built into the track surface, the drainage and cushion...It takes active effort by the track crew to even begin to alter it. · 63 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · The first six horses in this race at the 2nd call should be among the first four finishers. · 63 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Thanks for the observation that is logical at this distance. · 63 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Exertion gets to be more a factor the longer into the race the field goes....A unit of energy lost early (behind the pace) takes two units of late energy to make up · 63 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

Anyone have any updates on Secret Circle? I looked around and last workout was Jan 31st. Dont know if a month is a long lay off for work outs. I just would love to see this horse come back from an injury like that and do well.

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Watch Out Hot Springs, Bob Baffert is Back

Bob Baffert is going for his 5th consecutive Kentucky Derby prep win at Oaklawn with Super Ninety Nine in the Southwest Stakes. Read More

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BrianZipse · I was at the split-divisions of the Southwest last year and tried to start a "Bob" chant after the second victory ... the Oaklawn fans would have none of it! · 90 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Brian, you make me laugh out loud practically every day. I can just picture you trying to get the Oaklawn fans to chant "Bob." · 90 days ago ·

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kentuckyderbypost · Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob! Hilarious · 90 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · I am going with Channel Isle. If he doesn't fire this time then Lukas surely has to put him on the turf. · 90 days ago ·

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jinlie01 · Big Lute and Office Alex · 90 days ago ·

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jay s. · Longshot pick is Texas Bling. Overlooked Texas-bred with a Texas-sized heart. · 89 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · TEXAS BLING!!!!!! I can see it now :) · 89 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I like the heck out of that Texas Bling! Very nice-looking, too, imo, but Ill take a look. He wasn't even in my picks last time, even though I saw his Springboard Mile win. He's got that story--underdog. · 89 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Of course Ill is I'll. · 89 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · I'd like to see him in the derby. I like him and Bern as my favs. Don't know why exactly, just like those two boys. They make my heart swell when I read their names on any article. :) · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · TB got caught on the front last time out. Don't think he needs it. We'll see. Some good runners in this one. I kinda expect Super Ninety Nine to run second or third. Wish Big Lute could've squeezed-in another race for some seasoning prior to this. Hey, he may not need it. · 89 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · I've never heard of Big Lute is he just a maiden? · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · Won maiden impressively. Generating a lot of buzz, http://www.oaklawn.com/media/uploads/the_southwest_pps.pdf · 89 days ago ·

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travel_vic · wasn't there another Lute that held a track record at the original hybrid synthetic at Anita? · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · Sorry tv, I was still in the military and hadn't returned to racing by then. I assume you're talking about Midnight Lute (or Midnite Lute, don't remember the spelling)? I've watched ML · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · ...ML's BC Sprint victories and, WOW! If Big Lute has any of his daddy in him, and so far it looks he may, then the rest need to watch-out. · 89 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · It might have been Midnight Interlude who was recently shipped to India. I really hope Midnight Lute gets good mares. · 89 days ago ·

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Sysonby · It feels wierd to have a prep race going without a Pletcher horse · 89 days ago ·

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yukichan · Does sloppy condition change anyone's picks now? · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · I think slop favors Texas Bling and Big Lute. This race is wide-open IMO. I still can't single-out a horse from this field. Here it goes: 1. Always in a Tiz, 2. Will Take Charge. 3. Texas Bling · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · Correction: 1. Will Take Charge. 2. Texas Bling. 3. Always in a Tiz. Same as Smarty Jones. · 89 days ago ·

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likin sparks · nevermind, #6 showed to much class for any horse here and now moves directly into Derby contention. · 89 days ago ·

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jay s. · Boy...was I wrong! · 88 days ago ·

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travel_vic · That was a field of babies today, real unseasoned rookie runners save two of them · 88 days ago ·

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frank.irvin.18 · Super 99 and Fear The Kitten were by far the best of that field. 99 will be extremely tough, and Fear The Kitten will get extremely tough the longer they go. · 88 days ago ·

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travel_vic · alone on the lead on an alone on the lead track ins a rainstorm......Did not proved greatness, just fit the profile and having an advantage, utilized it. · 88 days ago ·

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jerzmade · i was impressed with this horses race in a stampede in a lousy weather at oaklawn. Baffert is a monster shipper at oaklawn. I agree didnt show greatness but def impressed me by that dominating performance. · 73 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

obs march sale of 2 year olds in training hip no. 30 is a full brother to secret circle. thats awesome they went to the same sire again

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tcglory · hip no.43 is a 2 year old colt called Prince Bernardini whos dam is rooneys princess buy the great princess rooney another great pedigree colt · 96 days ago ·

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tcglory · hip no 49 half brother to birdrun by dunkirk · 96 days ago ·

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tcglory · and so forth and so forth there is gem in this sale buy the looks of it just hard to figure out which one it is · 96 days ago ·

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Horsefan90 · I believe there is also a full brother to Balance the Books in that sale as well. · 96 days ago ·

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Peppermint Paddy · Whats not very awesome is the fact that full siblings hardly if ever duplicate(sounds like T_V, I know. · 95 days ago ·

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Peppermint Paddy · replicate whatever.. · 95 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

Secret Circle worked 3f in :36.80 (9/24) at Santa Anita on 1-31.

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Secret Circle

2012 Arkansas Derby runner-up Secret Circle is back on the worktab. On January 8, the Baffert trained colt handily worked 3F in 37:20 (9/18) at Santa Anita Park.

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rafirox · Finally. · 130 days ago ·

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Floridaf · On January 14, Secret Circle handily breezed 3F in 36:80 (5/16) at Santa Anita Park. · 124 days ago ·

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mdracing69 · Secret Circle worked 4f in :51.40 (39/43) at Santa Anita on 1-20. · 118 days ago ·

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travel_vic · 51.40 who was up, a 180 lb rider? · 118 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Training times mean absolutely nothing vic geez louise · 118 days ago ·

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rafirox · haha, tim. · 118 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · BAHAHA I couldnt resist.. · 118 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

Pssst...my workout buddy was Take Control ;-)

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Secret Circle

Any word on him, it's been a while since the Arkansas Derby.

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Mary Z. · Someone at another website just mentioned that Secret Circle had a workout today at Santa Anita. I am surprised that Secret Circle was not retired after a sesamoid injury. · 130 days ago ·

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ghelguera · Thanks Mary Z just saw he worked 37.20 at Santa Anita · 130 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

Where is he? The worst he has ever ran is 2nd?

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Floridaf · Secret Circle was discovered to have a sesamoid injury a few days after the Arkansas Derby. He was expected to miss up to four months, but it seems they're really taking their time with him since it's now been about 8 months. · 136 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

What's the deal with Secret Circle?

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Secret Circle

I'm so much miss you, Secret....

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Secret Circle

where IS this colt.?

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rafirox · I don't know either. · 194 days ago ·

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rafirox · I don't know. · 194 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Back in April he sustained a sesamoid injury and was supposed to miss about 4 months. It's possible that he's back in light training, but I have not seen any recent works for him. · 194 days ago ·

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rafirox · Thank you Floridaf. I didn't even know he was injured. I never heard any news about him in a long time. I thought he might have been retired. · 194 days ago ·

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Floridaf · You're welcome. I wish I had more info for you, but there hasn't been an update on him (that I know of) since his injury was announced back in April. It sounded as though he would be brought back, but with the way things have gone this year, if he were retired, it wouldn't surprise me. · 194 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

Is he ever going to return????? What's up with him?

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Secret Circle

most likely he is sent into retirement

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notobsessed · I thought he had returned to training recently · 251 days ago ·

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Secret Circle

What's up with Secret Circle?

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Secret Circle

does anyone know when he'll race again? hes a very talented colt

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I’ll Have Another’s Preakness was the real deal

Just how good a race was the Preakness? Judge for yourself ...Read More

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MjHawk · Brian,, you brought tears to my eyes. This is what I've been feeling. This was not just "another Preakness". I thought I'll Have Another lost it before the turn. He was too far back, behind a monster who had it his own way. Bodemeister would not be coming back, and I could not believe my eyes when I saw I'll Have Another cut into that lead. It was inexcorable, but I still didn't think he'd get there until the last two jumps. It was the most amazing Preakness I've seen since Secretariat's. · 356 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Poetic, Brian. Watching that replay, it just made glad that someone had the talent to put all that I was thinking into words. I couldn't agree with you more. If I'll Have Another goes on to win the Belmont I think we can all say he certainly had to earn it every step of the way. · 356 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Two very good horses put it all out there for two very good races. 2012 has been quite a treat to racing fans so far, and with the Met Mile and Awesome Maria on Memorial Day and the Belmont looming. Very Good Stuff!!! · 356 days ago ·

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kendra.marshall2 · I couldn't agree more Brian! He is all heart! By far the most fabulous Preakness I have seen. Words can't begin to describe how amazing he is but you did it poetically. · 356 days ago ·

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Cigar16 · Great commentary Brian! I watch my DVR replay quite a bit, and I always get such a kick out of the fact that I enjoy watching it so much. I feel like I a newbie, not a fan/player/mutuel clerk who has numbly stared at a simulcast signal for over 25 years. I have not felt this way about a 3yo in a long time. Often enough a horse will get you excited, and regardless of how good they are, you just don't get attached. Not the case for me with I'll Have Another. I just want to wrap my arms around this colt, win or lose, and pepper him with hugs and kisses! It is so satisfying to see him run as he turns for home, legs flipping forward, ears pricked every which way, looking everywhere, but mostly ahead, and almost greenly, he runs the horse(s) in front of him down. And as you said, he just does it, not because the race set up for him that way. He is special. I am really looking forward to watching this horse grow. An expose in a few years as he romps in his paddock will find him to be a jaw dropping specimen of the perfect horse. · 356 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · Joel Rosario ruined any chance Went The Day Well had by squeezing him out on Creative Cause. Not Sure how Gary thinks what he did at that point is worth applauding. IHA NEXT TRIPLE CROWN WINNER!!! GO MR.REDDAM, MARIO, and IHA....CANADA HAS YOUR BACK! · 356 days ago ·

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DedaBaber · Wow, xlnt article! so glad someone feels the same way as I do about this Mighty little horse. I too thought it one of the best races I've seen in many years. I watch it over & over also. I too still get goosebumps! GO IHA! · 356 days ago ·

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PhredSmith · even though brian is absolutely right, i was hoping the positive comments would have stopped by now. cmon urags and dullahan supporters speak out. need IHA to go off at 3/1. · 356 days ago ·

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peggy.lindsay2 · Thank you Brian for your putting things into perspective. Goosebumps, me too!! · 355 days ago ·

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The Kentucky Derby Never Sparkled so Bright

Is the 2012 crop of three-year-olds the best in several years? Laura Pugh thinks so...Read More

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Rasta · So many contenders for the victory that I'm beginning to feel - will not anyone.Lol. · 393 days ago ·

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brooklyn.steve · This is the most excited I have been since 2007 for sure. There are many legit G1 type horses in this field, and very few horses that you can actually say have no legit shot at wining the Derby. I have gotten so use to the 3yo fillies being the much better crop, this year is the complete opposite. Nice piece to get me more pumped up and wishing that 2 weeks flies by. · 393 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · I agree that this is the best crop since 2007 and another thing is that this group seems to have better distance breeding than past crops. A lot of the top 2 year olds in recent years were not suited to the classic distance, this year many of the favorites going into the Derby look like they will have a good shot at 1 1/4 miles. · 393 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Mike, I would agree very much with that statement, as it is something i have noticed too. The breeding of most of the horses in this race screams distance, and not the typical speed push that we are used to seeing. · 393 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · Nice read Laura, and I agree this year has a very good field heading to Churchill! · 393 days ago ·

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wcbguy1 · it been an great season to watch, my first year watching horse racing and I been impressed wwith the level of racing these horsers are at. · 393 days ago ·

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mmidland · I think you've nailed it on the head! This is a great Derby class - and the facts are there to back it up! Even beyond that, I think this is deepest Derby I have ever seen - going back to 1990. There are probably 9 or 10 horses here who could run their race - and we would say they were deserving winners. · 393 days ago ·

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wilkins631 · Agree with everything except you forgot Algorithms in the horses lost to injury. Otherwise, you're spot on. This is going to be incredible. · 393 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · willkins, i am not saying we have not had injuries, however, we have had a total, including Algorithms of three so far, and Algorithms was far from a serious injury, which is a blessing. · 392 days ago ·

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travel_vic · ol' Luara who arailed against Smartyafter the Derby, after the Preakness and after the 1 1/2 lenght loss in the Belmont...See I told you so!!! · 392 days ago ·

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myntjulius · Cold hard facts that only two major contendewrs are out??? What about Algorithms, Sky Kingdom, Fed Biz?? As for "Depth of field" it might be more accurate to describe it as an "Evenly matched yet so far unremarkable field". Very few records will be falling this year, but as a consequence the competitions will be more exciting. Here's hoping that they all stay healthy!! · 392 days ago ·

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larooski · Sky Kingdom was never really a contender. It is a deep field when you look at the fact that pretty much every major Derby prep winner will most likely be there as of now. Less major players have been knocked off the Derby trail than usual. · 392 days ago ·

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wildfins131 · I think this field is tough but Gemologist didnt even try in his last stakes win and still held off Alpha. He has a whole other gear that we have yet to see. · 391 days ago ·

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sallyeastman · And don't forget I'll Have Another the winner of the Santa Anita Derby who also has a very good chance at Roses! · 391 days ago ·

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BrianAppleton · It's so exciting to see how strong this crop is and how well they have all held up and improved since running the in the Breeders' Cup. · 391 days ago ·

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travel_vic · the attrition rate has not been as high as in recent years, so more qulaity are going to the big dance this time around. · 391 days ago ·

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railbird33 · with 5 or 6 jockeys in the field of twenty that have won KY Derbies, the "trip" will be the key. like in '07, If Calvin can't sneak up the wood, I don't know if he catches Hard Spun. · 390 days ago ·

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travel_vic · The race dynamic really changes iwht colts goint a distance many will never see again, uder weight most will not carry again with a huge field, about half of which should not even be there · 390 days ago ·

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johnsnare · I think he nailed it spot on. Should be a great betting race. · 387 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Did you see the interview with Andy Beyers in the Paulick Report? Because of the low Beyers speed figures for the prep races this year, he said this crop could be even worst than last year which he said was the weakest crop of 3 year olds in his lifetime. · 380 days ago ·

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An Early Kentucky Derby Program

Wondering what the Kentucky Derby field may look like in 20 days? Enjoy my early projection.Read More

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JohnSigerson · surprised that you gave Hansen 12-1 odds. after not feeling his best yesterday he finished a good second. · 398 days ago ·

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zatt · Remember these odds are not my opinions on the relative chances of each horse, John. Rather they represent what bettors will do on the first Saturday in May. · 398 days ago ·

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sallyeastman · A lot of money is going to go to Bedmeister that's for sure, but having never raced as a two-year old Bode-Man is not very likely to hit the wire first · 398 days ago ·

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AnneShaw · Saw the odds, has Domguez switched to Alpha? · 398 days ago ·

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ChrisRueb · good list..i think Union rages will be 5.5 - 1 however...bode second choice close to gemologist... · 398 days ago ·

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zatt · It would not be a matter of switching, Anne. It's a matter of which one Ramon will choose, and my guess is Alpha. · 398 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Great chart, Brian, and what an amazing field for this Derby. Bode's great race will surely increase the odds on Union Rags! · 398 days ago ·

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Tony bada bing · Good first attempt Brian at odds. Here's some early toss outs from me for win consideration - Hansen, Dullahan, Rags, Sabrecat, Liasion, Secret Circle, I'll Have Another... · 398 days ago ·

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3e3e · This is very nice, but I don't think El Padrino will make it into the field though. Very unfortunate. · 398 days ago ·

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railbird33 · Nice effort, this year will be a bettor's Derby -great payoffs if you can nail the exotics. Brian I hope you will also give us your WET track, DRY track analysis. · 398 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · How can you TOSS RAGS HANSEN DULLAHAN ILL HAVE ANOTHER > Yopu have a crystal ball? · 398 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Great list, Brian. 25-1 is mighty tempting on both of the Daddys, if thats what they both actually end up at · 398 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · Zip, this year there will also be also-eligibles. Any guesses on who those might be? · 398 days ago ·

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Tony bada bing · Good first attempt Brian at odds. Here's some early toss outs from me for win consideration - Hansen, Dullahan, Rags, Sabrecat, Liasion, Secret Circle, I'll Have Another... · 398 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · HANSEN DULLAHAN Rags Ill have another? Explain early toss out lol · 398 days ago ·

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tktile · Ramon should be on Hansen. · 398 days ago ·

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DeePotter · Keep telling yourself that, and maybe I'll get some good odds. Baffert will have him ready...count on it. · 398 days ago ·

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DeePotter · Bodemeister and Dullahan in a key over quite a few others. I'm putting them in first and second. There are some definite throwouts though like Rousing Sermon, Sabercat, Hanson and quie a few others....will definitely keep the other Baffert horse in the mix though. · 398 days ago ·

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arazi · Awesome, Brian. I think this is spot on - although I might make the bottom four 50-1... · 398 days ago ·

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DeePotter · For those of you that say Bodemeister has not raced enough...go back in time to Grindstone. He had 5 races before the Kentucky Derby and he won handily under Jerry Bailey. Nothing is impossible. · 398 days ago ·

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gelded1 · Of the 20 listed above ,I think these 5 can get a 1 1/4 and have a chance to win: 1) Union Rags,2) I'll Have Another,3)Creative Cause,4) Dullahan,and 5 ) Bodemeister.I'll be using these on top in my Exotics on top.. · 398 days ago ·

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El Kabong · Nice job on the odds, I wonder if Battaglia visits your post for help? I do think Battaglia will toss in a few 50 to ones in the mix. · 397 days ago ·

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El Kabong · Tony, "Derby Closers usually get minor rewards." You mean derby dlosers like Animal Kindgom, Street Sense, Mind That Bird and Giacomo? C'mon pal, do some more homework. Dullahan will make you pay. And by pay, I mean Pay me. · 397 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · 6-1 on the favorite, this is why the Derby is such a great betting race. I think all the horses up to Alpha at 15-1 have a chance. The hard part is picking the right one, but if you do it will pay. · 397 days ago ·

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topturf07 · I can guarantee this...there's no way 8 horses will be bet heavier than Take Charge Indy. I'm not even a fan of the horse, but off the Fla Derby win and the simple fact its Calvin Borel, the horse will get bet a lot lower than he should be. The horse will be no worse than the 5th shot on the board when the gates open. Novice players who know nothing about the derby bet him just because hes won 3 of the most recent. Put him on an animal that actually has some form too, and he's no higher than 9-1 in my opinion. I mean, Twice the Appeal had ZERO chance in the derby last year and was 20-1 ML, and went off at 11-1. Battaglia even said the horse would have been 30-1 if any other jock was on him. · 397 days ago ·

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SallyWatanabe · What a great field there is today! · 396 days ago ·

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SallyWatanabe · I mean *this year · 396 days ago ·

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jkaiser · this has to be the best field in many years. · 395 days ago ·

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jkaiser · at least half the field has a great chance at winning. Some really powerful horses. Am thinking Bodemeister could be a tripple crown horse. · 395 days ago ·

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KendallHansen · jockey wrong on Hansen....likely Ramon, Secret Circle is not running in Derby....so back up for Hansen is John V or Raphael Bejarano · 395 days ago ·

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ChrisRueb · Dr. Hansen where did you confirm that Secret Circle will skip the Derby? I know you have SERIOUS connections and info..if that is true I can make a few bucks... · 395 days ago ·

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mendozag · as for the west coast horses, Bodemeister looked like a monster in his win, so what does the win of I'll have another over Creative Cause who beat Bodemeister say, does it move him up or did the lightly run Bodemeister improve by leaps and bounds, hmmm, I think I'll have another has a huge chance off the win · 395 days ago ·

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mendozag · as for the west coast horses, Bodemeister looked like a monster in his win, so what does the win of I'll have another over Creative Cause who beat Bodemeister say, does it move him up or did the lightly run Bodemeister improve by leaps and bounds, hmmm, I think I'll have another has a huge chance off the win · 395 days ago ·

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KendallHansen · Oh and if I get 7 to 1 or better in the Derby as in the Breeders Cup.....I plan to take half the pick 4 pool again)) · 395 days ago ·

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KendallHansen · Don't make Bodemeister a false favorite...he got a 25 and change breather in the middle of his win at Oaklawn as there was no real competition. Not gonna get away with this in Derby. · 395 days ago ·

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ryanpatrickpatterson · 12-1 would be a fat price on Take Charge Indy. · 395 days ago ·

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mrags · My pick before the breeders cup was Union Rags ,And still love him in the Derby · 392 days ago ·

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