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Yasutoshi Ikee

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(JPN) by Shadai Corporation Inc.

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Stay Gold - Oriental Art by Mejiro McQueen

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Orfevre

Christophe Soumillon has been booked to ride Orfevre in the 2013 Arc

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so glad to see him back in the winner's circle. one of the best active horses!

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ORFEVRE kicks of 2013 with powerful win in the G2 2000m Sankei Osaka Hai!

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paul.nathan.946 · http://web-cache.stream.ne.jp/web/jra/onetag/sub/player.html?movie=jra_seiseki/2013/0331/201302090411&ua=4 · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Cross your fingers for a St. Nicholas Abbey / Cirrus de Aigles / Orfevre / Animal Kingdom in the King George & Queen Elizabeth Stakes · 55 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Great to see him back on the track. Wonderful horse. · 55 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Cocoa, if that happens, it will be the race of the year · 55 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Looking good! · 55 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Barry Irwin already said the Prince of Wales's stakes over 1m2f at Ascot. · 55 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Do you mean 10f, OTG? · 55 days ago ·

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Peppermint Paddy · Is there word of Orfevre to ship to the UK? an AK v. Orfevre showdown would be like the Zenyatta Rachel race we never got! I think I'd rather see Orfevre come to the BC, so I can see in person, IMO, #1 active horse. · 55 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Yes Cocoa. · 55 days ago ·

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Orfevre much the best in 2013 debut

ORFEVRE (Yasutoshi Ikee/Kenichi Ikezoe) unleashed his showstopping turn of foot to run down his rivals and make a winning return to the racecourse in 2013. Read More

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Mixed Emotions on the Point of Entry Decision

Should one of America's best horses stay, or should he go?Read More

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DanMunn1 · Disappointment from me. Whilst I feel he may have been hard pushed to be competitive in an Arc, I had heard rumours that he was destined to compete at Royal Ascot. An aim such as the Arlington Million is superb for US turf racing, but is that an easy goal when considering the options he is turning down? · 103 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · i totally forgot about the Arc. i think it would be difficult for him though. i do like POE, but i'm not sure if he is as good as good as Cirrus, Gentildonna, & Orfevre. · 103 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Glad I will get to see Point of Entry run again in the USA! · 103 days ago ·

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ARBY · Any fan who wishes the best from around the world should come to our Breeders Cup but want to keep their stars home can't have it both ways. If you truly want to be the best you must travel to where the best gather year in and year out. It's not just the good 'ol USA. · 103 days ago ·

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ldemgyhas · Owners are in this game to win. Smart owners stay home, pick their spots, and win. This is what they're doing with Point of Entry. Dumb owners who feel they have something to prove to go take on international company for no reason other than to boost their egos. I'm cheering for him, but I doubt Animal Kingdom will have much success in Dubai and England. Point of Entry, however, will be very successful staying here. · 103 days ago ·

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amino998 · If the ground is good in late September, who better to go to Paris representing American racing than the Phipps. And the by-then newly elected President of Austria can provide the impetus. · 103 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Where was this article when Frankel was running strictly in England, and anyone challenging that in the same manner you just challenged Point Of Entry was nothing less than a heretic. To add insult to injury the connections of Point Of Entry aren't making any claims of greatness, for this time period, or all time, as were the connections of Frankel. · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · How surprising. Another attack on Frankel. · 103 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Really? Can you think of another horse in the history of horse racing that this article is more appropriate for than Frankel? How surprising, no defense of an American turf horse. Oh yes, I forgot for a moment, I just did. · 103 days ago ·

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northport · Last I heard, Shug wasn't undergoing treatment for cancer, resulting in him being unable to travel to even local racetracks, let alone fly elsewhere, which was the case for Sir Henry Cecil. I think Point of Entry is a fantastic horse, but he hasn't done half of what Frankel did, so I am a little confused as to why you even bother bringing him up · 103 days ago ·

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northport · Based on POE's record alone, and the fact that he will stand in America as a turf sire, his value can't be compared to an undefeated Frankel when it comes to the risks involved with travelling. I am indifferent to him staying home, I think he will be more successful here anyway · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · The sad thing is that I was fine with their decision if that is what they wanted to do. Then the attack on Frankel. So typical. And so typical that those comments are the only ones liked, except for Arby's which I liked. It is just sad. · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · Point of Entry is a nice horse. There are many reasons why you don't ship a horse. But only Frankel will be criticized. · 103 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · What's cancer got to do with it? Frankel raced without Sir Henry Cecil before, and you well know it. Did Frankel stop racing? No! I used Frankel as a point of reference to defend Point Of Entry, who's been kicked around steadily ever since beating Animal Kingdom because he's absolutely, positively, the "most perfect" horse I can think of who fits the desciption of this article. What's the real problem? That he's an American turf horse and very good? let the likes of Cirrus des Aigles and Orfevre come to the Arlington Million and the Breeders’Cup as Point Of Entry's connections aren't making a secret of his where abouts. As has been said in the past of other horses, "they knew where to find him." · 103 days ago ·

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Age of Reason · Personally, I'm quite excited about seeing Point of Entry aiming for the Arlington Million and Breeders' Cup Turf. The Million always showcases an exciting international field, and I predict a very strong international contingent also in the BC Turf this year. For one, our international friends know at this point that they'll have to bring something better than a second-stringer if they want to run down Point of Entry and his American brethren. For the first time in a long time (too long if you're an American), the American turf horses fought back in 2012 at the Breeders' Cup (Wise Dan/Animal Kingdom, Little Mike/Point of Entry, Zagora/Marketing Mix), and to the Europeans it certainly might appear that the American turf horses are not quite as inferior as they thought. This can be a win-win for we the fans; on the one hand we can feel delighted that so many of our turf stars are capable of matching strides with their international counterparts, and also anticipate strong European fields to challenge them at the B.C. I wouldn't be surprised to see Camelot show up, for example. · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · Always the same thing. Euros have to come here. We are too afraid to send our horse there to run. always the same argument. They have to come here to race. Just sad that Frankel has to be attacked. Always the same. Euros have to ship half way across the world to run on our little turf courses because we can;t possible ship over there. We can't run our horses without meds. It was different when the DWC was on dirt and we had the superior dirt horses. Then everyone could ship to Dubai to run their turf horses against our dirt horses on dirt. Now that it is Tapeta, we aren't so eager. The work has to come to the US to prove themselves. Sorry, it goes both ways. Cirrus des Aigles and Orfevre's connections tell everyone where they are too. And Frankel only raced once, I believe, without Sir Henry. And the BC and Arc were never in their plans. Never. · 103 days ago ·

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northport · Sir Henry missed the Juddmonte International because he was undergoing treatments, I can hardly compare that to having Frankel race in the US without Cecil. If you were ill, and training the greatest horse you and possibly your country had ever seen, the highest valued horse in the world, whose days racing were numbered, you would be fine flying him to America (though it is known Frankel doesn't travel well by plane) to race in the US? As for you expecting CDA and Orfevre to come to America to prove themselves - the highest quality international turf horses will stay where the richest and highest quality turf fields are: England, France, Australia, Japan, and Dubai. I don't think that POE's owners care about the esteem of having an international turf horse, and considering the difference in US turf styles vs. the major turf racing nations, I think keeping POE at home is a good decision, as he can easily dominate in his field. Who is saying Animal Kingdom is the perfect horse? in 4 years of racing he has a single G1 win, and lots of excuses · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · if he is so good, icy, let him prove it without meds on the international scene. He is a nice horse. I like Shug and the Phipps. But demanding Euros come here all the time is lame and favors American horses. Whether you like it or not. · 103 days ago ·

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Age of Reason · Footlick, I hope you weren't referring to me with the "Euros have to come here" comment, because I clearly never said or meant it. If (and this is intended for everyone, including myself) we're going to defend European horses for staying put in their countries because of purse money and race prestige, we should at least be intellectually honest and give American turfers the same benefit of the doubt; thus, I think the assertion that we Americans are somehow "too afraid to send our horses there to run" a bit ludicrous; we're about to send off our strongest Dubai contingent possibly this century, with a Kentucky Derby winner and a Breeders' Cup Turf winner to go with a two-time BC Distaff winner and a Pacific Classic-winning poly-freak, so saying that American owners/trainers "aren't so eager" to take on international competitors on an international stage seems premature at best. Miss you on the BloodHorse Derby blogs, btw, Footy. · 103 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · I am disappointed Point of Entry is not going overseas. Its not often that we (America) get to say we have a "world class" turf runner that has the talent and international credentials to become a top turf sire standing in the USA. I was hoping Point of Entry was going to become the new Gio Ponti. Now I will keep my fingers crossed that Little Mike stays healthy and goes back to Arlington to defend his crown. · 103 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · footlick, I didn't write this article, which is about POE not aspiring to greatness. All I did was use the best point of reference I could think of. A horse to which I believe this article pertains more to than the American horse who is being questioned. As I stated the connections of POE never made any claims of greatness. The connections of Frankel made every claim of greatness possible, and then followed the path of least resistance. Please don't tell me again about European superiority, as in 2012 they came, they saw, and they were conquered. Quite easily I might add. When our American horses prevailed breaking or coming close to world record times were there cries of greatness across this website? No, just excuses piled upon excuses as to how their really not that good and the track was fast. Well that may be, but they all ran on the same surface, just as in Europe. Unlike many here in America, I'm not ashamed that I live in the greatest country ever to emerge on this planet. For those of you don't live here, but consistently run us down, remember that we provide the umbrella of freedom under which you live and use to insult us. northport, If you want to talk horse racing that's fine, if you want to have a discussion on cancer, it won't be with me. Goodnight · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · Age of Reason- It is all well and good to say that we should defend horses to stay here, but our horses always stay here and it is the majority of people who feel a European horse has not proven itself unless it wins a BC race. Europeans send horses here all the time, to run on what they consider bullrings. The turns are too tight and the stretches are too short, but they do win many of the races that they ship here and they have hugely supported our Breeders Cup. We have not returned the favor, and by the attitudes of many, we never will and it is looked upon as fine. We have only shipped to Dubai, more so when it was on dirt as we dominate on dirt. I am always happy when American horses run well. Shug and the Phipps are very special to me. But, the horse did originally have Dubai in the plans. Then they decided to not go after all. And I am fine with that. But it seems to be ok to attack Frankel for not running in races that were never in the plans. They were never going to ship to the BC and they were never going to run him in the Arc. I defended Zenyatta when she stayed in California and everyone else demanded she ship and run a whole season against males. I defended Zarkava when she never shipped outside of France. My problem with American thinking is tht Euros always have to come here and run on our terms and we do not ever reciprocate. But, sadly, I seem to be viewed as being inappropriate because I think that reciprocation is fair. Anyway, it is just not worth it. · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · Age of Reason- I comment sometimes there, but picking a Derby horse in February is a bit premature. · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · Whoever removed the comment, just so you know it was not necessary. I considered the source, and as the source means nothing to me, neither does the comment. · 103 days ago ·

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jay s. · I, for one, am glad he's staying here. I have made the flight to that part of the world several times, including Dubai. It's not easy. Plus, I've spent about two years living in tents in SW Asia, and it's just different over there. The constant airborne dust, bi-weekly sand storms, the heat, sights, sounds, smells, adjustments to circadian rhythms, etc. Dubai is a great city, but the trip is hard. Wish AK and Little Mike were staying as well. · 103 days ago ·

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footlick · AoR- should have been I sometimes still comment there. Just every one in awhile. · 103 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · I think Point of Entry will show us this year he is one of the best American Turf routers in our country's history. Do I think he could ship and do well internationally? Yes. He handles any track firm to heavy, and now apparently any distance. There are not many horses who can boast grade ones at 9f and 12f. However, he is not going overseas, so we won't know. The only time we may find out is if some of the top Euro's should ship here. Not saying they have too, but they did send some of their best last year in Cityscape, Excelebration, St. Nicholas Abby, Shareta. They could come over again, giving POE a chance to prove himself again. Has accomplished what Frankel has? No, however, this is not a horse that has accomplished nothing. Remember he has won four of his last five grade ones, and the one lost, was a near miss after a horible trip. Has he done what Frankel has? No. But don't diminish what he has done. He is a different horse that excels at a different distance. · 102 days ago ·

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travel_vic · QUOTE: I think Point of Entry will show us this year he is one of the best American Turf routers in our country's history COME ON!! Round Table, Fort Marcy, Cougar II, John Henry, Dahlia, Manila, Theatrical, Steinlen, Sky Classic NO historical perspective · 102 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · quote "I think". I never said he will. He has the potential to be and is already one of the most dominant in the country. He has the potential. That is what "I think" means. · 102 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · THINK: Have a particular opinion, belief, or idea about someone or something: "she thought that nothing would be the same again". · 102 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Personally I think POE staying here has a great deal to do with Frank Stronach buying 100% of his breeding rights and 50% of his racing rights so I think he has had a good deal of influence here. The Phipps have raced horses in Dubai before so I think they would have sent him if it was their decision alone. Personally I am glad he is here. I would like to see him in the Million and other races before retirement. The Arc may be a possibility. After all Buckpasser was scheduled to go there. · 102 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · I have no problem with this. He will most likely run the same campaign as last year , but maybe squeeze in the Milliion at Arlington. · 102 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Orfevre in the Sheema Classic?...nope. But Gentildonna is and that Filly is not getting beat by anyone :) · 102 days ago ·

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kyle.stasierowski · If Point of Entry did go to Dubai, my personal opinion is that could possibly his last race of 2013 simply because of the fact that with the travel and everything it knocks a horse out usually for the rest of the year. So if he stays here in states and goes to the Arlington Million he might then be able to go to the Breeders' Cup in November. · 102 days ago ·

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kyle.stasierowski · If Point of Entry did go to Dubai, my personal opinion is that could possibly his last race of 2013 simply because of the fact that with the travel and everything it knocks a horse out usually for the rest of the year. So if he stays here in the states and goes to the Arlington Million he might then be able to go to the Breeders' Cup in November. · 102 days ago ·

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kay.robinett · I have mixed emotions on this as well. I feel that Point of Entry would NOT embarrass himself in even the biggest turf races overseas. Note that I am not saying he would win all or even some of them. I am just saying he would hold his own in them. That said, I am glad we will get to see him run here in the US simply because I think he's a very good horse and it will be a joy to watch him this season. As for individual horses (such as Zenyatta or Frankel) shipping or not shipping - I believe that there is a lot that goes on in the background that we fans are simply not privy to. Some horses ship better than others. As fans we will rarely know which ones - or which ones have some minor medical issues, or the like which might prevent them from being shipped. Heck, for all we know there might even be owners or trainers with medical problems which prevent lots of travel, or even (gasp) fears of flying in the human connections. I will not condemn connections for making travel or non-travel plans because I do not know what is going on in the background with the horse or human connections that impact the decision making. · 102 days ago ·

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forego139 · What mixed emotions, the Mighty Frankle never traveled out of his comfort zone and has been declared the Worlds Best, but why is it in America we don't respect our gifted ones unless they travel overseas to run in race's such as the Arc and so forth, where as in other countries they idolize there gifted runners and tout them not put them down for one reason or another. Point Of Entry won 4 G1 last year and that here in the states is still not enough to garner respect by the so called American Racing Fans, instead we find ways to put them down for doing enough. But the real question is what is enough to statisfy Americans so as not to be so negative year after year about our American talent such as Point Of Entry. Makes one wonder doesn't it Hmmmm......... · 101 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · Certainly you can understand Shug McGaughey aiming Point of Entry for the Arlington Million and ultimately another crack at the BC Turf. But the Million is mid to late August and the BC Turf early November. So you're talking about skipping the Dubai World Cup and/or Sheema Classic in late March because it may interfere with targets in mid-August and early November? That's exactly why American horses aren't winning the Dubai World Cup, Sheema Classic, or Duty Free these days. The connections of the best possible horses that we could send never do so. There's not a doubt in my mind that Wise Dan would be a major player in the Dubai World Cup and would likely run rough shod over a Dubai Duty Free field if they chose to go that route. The same for Point of Entry. I have no doubt he'd be a major player in the Dubai World Cup or the Sheema Classic. No disrespect intended to Royal Delta when I said we don't send the best possible horses. But historically, American horses who run exclusively on conventional dirt just haven't fared that well on Meydan's tapeta surface. I actually wonder if Animal Kingdom might not also be better suited for the Dubai Duty Free on turf at 9f instead of the Dubai World Cup on tapeta at 10f? · 100 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · On The Gallop/ northport/ I understand the full picture better than you may think. America is a nation where dirt racing is the main focus, the rest of the world uses turf.Natually the better turf horse should appear in the rest of the world. It's really not that hard to grasp. What I was pointing out in my first comment is the double standard in play in saying POE should ship, while when Frankel was criticised for not crossing the English Channel there was an uproar on this site. Another thing I didn't bring up was that Zenyatta another horse who was a notoriously bad shipper was constantly criticized for not traveling. However people didn't make allowance for the fact she shipped 2,000 miles to Kentucky and put on a fantastic performance. What I really would like an answer to, from anyone, is how a horse can be acclaimed the greatest of all time and not run in even one of the greatest races of all time. For European's that would be the Arc. My god, Ribot won it twice, once as a 3yo and then again as a 4yo, was never challenged in any race, and this horse Frankel, who is certainly among the greats but needed the Arc to challenge for the title he was literally given, is placed above him. Not to even mention Time Form's devaluation of prior horses to elevate him, such as Dancing Brave to mention just one, and I'm biased??? · 99 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · Fantastic point icy... · 99 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Icy- Why did Frankel have to ship to France?. He was running 8f until almost the end of the summer. Frances op 10f race the Prix Ganay is run in the start of the summer. They don't have many GR1 10f races. So he is to skip the Juddmonte for the Prix dollar, and historically the Juddmonte(Aka Benson& Hedges) is a better race over the last 40 years. Just to let you know the Top GR1 middle distance races in europe (classics aside) are the Eclipse Stakes, King george/Queen E II, The Arc, and the Champions stakes. 3-4 are in England. Again why did Frankel have to ship when the Champions stakes is just as important to some as the Arc is. His beating two top shelf 12f horses in the Champions stakes was not enough?. you compare Zenyatta to Frankel as far as shipping...16-17 of her wins came at southern California tracks..vs WHO exactly?. England hosts the Top meets which is why he had no reason to ship. Winning the Arc does not define a horse as the greatest ever( I am certainly not calling Frankel the greatest ever). Plus Time form is not who changed Dancing Braves ratingthe World Thoroughbred Rankings conference that this was done, which I may add was done by representatives from all the Top racing nations so there is no BIAS. Timeform has Dancing Brave 7 pounds behind Frankel, with Seabird, Tudor Minstrel, Mill Reef etc ahead of DB. · 95 days ago ·

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shadowno · London to Paris is about 250 miles or a 40 minute plane ride. Little farther than Aqueduct to Saratoga just to put the shipping distance in perspective, not saying the animal had to or should have shipped.. · 95 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Frankel was stabled in Newmarket, which is 540 Km(6 hours) from Paris. Aqueduct to saratoga is 300+ KM (3.5-4hrs) all driving figures. · 93 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · They would fly out of Mancehster Airport to Paris which is 1.5 hours. · 93 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Let's just say that a flight from Kentucky to Manchester is 5 hours, how long is a flight from Kentucky to California?. So for example if Wise Dan, or POE fly from the east to go to The Breeders cup, why not in turn fly east over the pond to run at Ascot outside of london?. To face better competition in your discipline/Division/Distance...etc. Now I don't think a horse needs to ship anywhere if they have top flight racing within in their own country. · 93 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · A good example of a horse that SHOULD ship is Game On Dude out west is beyond sub par for GR1 level. If he goes east and ran in a Whitney, Stephen Foster, or JCGC wouldn't that be a better fit for him, instead of staying in only California and winning Graded stakes vs no one. When better horses fly in they beat him. Ron The greek, Dullahan, Fort Larned etc. · 93 days ago ·

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shadowno · So Newmarket to Paris 335 miles. Not much of a trip if you have a shipper who is not unraveled by travel. Get em up. Put on the wraps. Put in van, short ride to plane. short flight to France. Done before lunch. Happens with some regularity for the more prestigous races no doubt. Louisville to LA 2085 miles. · 93 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Since Game On Dude hasn't been proclaimed, "the best horse of all time," as that honor belongs to another recently retired horse in 2012, has nothing to prove, why shouldn't his connections do the smart thing, which is exactly what their doing, and keep him in California. While it's true he can't compete effectively with the top six horses in N/A as of the end of 2012, being the 7th best horse in N/A isn't a bad thing. In point of fact I believe many people in the business would like to have a horse as good as Game On Dude. As for my opinions on horses and horse racing, just to clear up any misconceptions. In my entire life there hasn't been one horse I've hated, or disliked on a personal level. That long explanation may seem redundant, but this is HRN and if one doesn't cross the Ts and dot the i,s it will be misconstrued or twisted. For instance a response like, "I remember you didn't like so and so in this race, would be typical."(for any person to hate a horse, an animal which as far as I'm concerned only bring joy into ones life, is beyond my comprehension) I don't see how attacking the position given to a horse on a historical basis can be construed as personal, as in "Another attack on Frankel." The Irony is that everyone who attacked my comment says exactly the same thing as I do.That although he's one of the greatest horses ever, he's not the greatest. Why did Frankel have to run in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe? because up to that point in time he hadn't gone the classic European distance of 12 furlongs and he only had one race left before he would be retired according to his connections. Beating horses at 10 furlongs, who have won at 12 furlongs, is not the same as Frankel actually winning at 12 furlongs, and you well know it! Who proclaimed Frankel the greatest horse of all time? here's a partial list, his trainer Sir Henry Cecil, the racing manager to Prince Khalid Abdulla, Teddy Grimthorpe. Writing a few days after the race, Marcus Armytage said: "Forget ratings, handicappers’ assessments or any other method by which you measure one racehorse against another, it is unlikely that the world in either this or any previous generation has ever seen a better racehorse than Frankel... What makes him unique is his ability to go a top class sprinter’s pace over distance... he is a lightning strike of genetics which may not be repeated for 100 years.".www.telegraph.co.uk › Sport › Horse Racing. Also Simon Rowlands at Timeform. While Frankel did do everything his trainer asked of him, and enough to be ranked among the greatest horses of all time, he didn't do enough to be accorded the status of "the greatest of all time" and that is exactly my point of contention. If you went to Europe, which I'vedone on many occasions, and mentioned a horse who had proven them self at 10 furlongs, was undefeated to boot, as the greatest of all time you'd be a laughing stock. My personal opinion of Frankel is that he can and should be mentioned with the greatest horses of all time, He just can't be put at the #1 spot because he never ran the 12 furlongs required. Extra distance can't just be assumed and given, it must be done on the track. Frankel is a magnificent horse who IMO had the potential to achieve the status of #1 accorded him, but came up 2 furlongs short. · 93 days ago ·

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shadowno · IHB hit the Game on Dude issue spot on. He is getting a bit long in the tooth and more to the point is a gelding so winning the Whitney or any other eastern race is of little long term signiigance. Much wiser to run a Big Cap, Californian, HGC, Pacific Classic campaign leading into the BCC than amass frequent flyer miles. Add to the fact while obviously a top 10 handicap horse, he is not a "name" that will bring people out to any major track. It is a no-brainer to keep doing exactly what his connections have been doing. · 92 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Shadowno- I guess you missed the part where I said 3-4 top races are in england and one in France. The Champions stakes is an Extremely important race and skipping the ARC for the Champions stakes is not a step down quality wise. · 81 days ago ·

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Orfevre

I gotta say i love europeans and asian owners and trainers even the people from dubai there what makes horse racing what it is. Im sick of these american trainers and owners retireing there horses when there still running at peak level of there carear mares fillys or colts. A horse runs lights out as a 3 year old in america there automatically retired and sent to stud just to make money. Orfevre keep going buddy from your american friend

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travel_vic · The EURO horses are not full of DRUGS that weaken their systems. THAT is the difference. Short term goals trump long term realities · 131 days ago ·

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Age of Reason · A lot of American seem to be bipolar; many on here talk about the lack of horses staying sound at 3, but then turn around and b!t€h about terrific older horses like Wise Dan, Zenyatta etc because they didn't beat the best of their generations at 3. As far as Dubai, this year's World Cup will tell the American tale. If Animal Kingdom, Dullahan, and Royal Delta (and possibly Little Mike) combined can't get a piece of it, folks, we're in trouble! · 131 days ago ·

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tcglory · yea as for the world cup i do see dullahan and animal kingdom as the top choices for americans · 131 days ago ·

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Peppermint Paddy · is there press release stating the connections decision not to run Orfevre in the DWC? Very disappointing · 131 days ago ·

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footlick · @Peppermint Patty- not sure there is a press release, but I don't think it was ever a sure thing that he would run in Dubai. · 131 days ago ·

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Orfevre

Orfevre will not be going to Dubai. He will start his year in the G2 Osaka Hai (3/31), then run in the G1 Takarazuka Kinen (6/23).

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northport · damn, at least Gentildonna will still be going though · 132 days ago ·

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tcglory · why would you skip the richest races in the world seeing as your one of the best horses currently running · 132 days ago ·

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northport · Sunday Racing already has Gentildonna, who has proved to be better than Orfevre. I can understand having them spread out their best horses instead pinning them against each other in the Sheema Classic. Prize money in Japan is ridiculous as it is, I think they know how to run their business · 132 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · i think it is a nice decision. he will have a better chance of winning in the Takarazuka than the Sheema, especially with Cirrus Des Aigles & Gentildonna running. · 132 days ago ·

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Shenanigans in the Japan Cup

Gentildonna is a superbly talented three-year-old filly, and with the victory she became the first sophomore female ever to win the Cup, but the decision seem less than just. Simply stated, Orfevre deserved to win the race, just as Buena Vista did two years ago. Perhaps the four-year-old son of Stay...Read More

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yukichan · Absolutely 100% agree! Iwata even received a 2-day ban for interference/careless riding! The only thing I'll add, and I've commented ad nausem about this race and ruling, is that perhaps the fact that Sunday Racing owns both Orfevre and Gentildonna, made easier to leave the order stand? Orfevre, by inital announcements from Ikee, will be back next year. So who knows, he may run the JC in 2013. One thing is clear, the JRA stewards have no credibility in my book. I do want to state that I believe Gentildonna is a hands down incredibly talented filly. · 180 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · That was a bad no call. Iwata made a hole when Orfevre was already there. · 180 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · I stopped watching the Japan Cup after 2010. Absolutely ridiculous call. What's even more absurd is that it took them so long to even make a call! You have to wonder what took them so long..... · 180 days ago ·

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mikemoss13 · I don't know the jocks, but Orfevre did not exactly run a straight path to the finish line either. He moved in toward the rail LONG before Gentildonna pushed him out. Then after the contact, continued to move towards the rail. Had there been NO CONTACT, it's of my opinion that Gentildonna wins the race by a larger margin. · 180 days ago ·

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mkstorm · Have to agree with my namesake on his first point - Orfevre did not run a straight path and this probably contributed to the filly's non-DQ. I'm sure these two will face each again if they both continue to race next year. How about a rematch in Dubai??!! · 180 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · All nonsense. If they felt Orfevre would beat Gentildonna they would run him in the Sheema Classic. · 136 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Mike is 1000% correct. Orfevre did not run a straight line and the Filly simply muscled her way through. But hey you all above complaining can just simply not watch the race then :) · 136 days ago ·

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Japan Racing Association Champions

The winners of the 2012 JRA Awards were announced yesterday. The Awards will be given to the winners at a ceremony on Jan 28th. Read More

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Orfevre

Curious to know how Gentildonna is not in the top 5 ? Japan's filly triple crown winner, and Japan Cup winner.

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zatt · Not enough people have rated her yet, Marcello. · 154 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · 10-4 Zatt. · 153 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · I can't wait to see her in Dubai in the Sheema Classic. She is gonna lay the Smack down ;) Americans should take more notice in her, seeing how her grand sire is Sunday Silence :) · 153 days ago ·

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RamonDimas · She should be in thye top 5 for sure · 140 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · All of their grand sires are Sunday Silence. Stay Gold is a good stallion. · 140 days ago ·

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footlick · another legacy for Sunday Silence. His son's are breeding on · 140 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Interesting story on how SS got his name. A family send several names to Hancock and he liked SS a lot and invited the family to go to the race with him · 139 days ago ·

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Orfevre

Orfevre will bypass the Arima Kinen, but will remain in training next year.

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footlick · my favorite description of him was Racing post calling him the "highly talented excuse machine". I love the horse, but always has some excuse for losing since his Triple Crown. · 170 days ago ·

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yukichan · He will be back next year as a 5-yr old with his goal---winning the Arc! · 169 days ago ·

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Orfevre

He was robbed. She is a great filly, but the interferance cost Orfevre the race. I am very surprised by the stewards rendering, given that they took Buena Vista down for less...

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ILuvTurfRacing · @yukichan, I didn't really catch how severe the interference from Gentildonna on Orfevre was in real time, but when I saw it slowed down from a head on view I completely agree. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of both of these horses. But if that result is allowed to stand you really have to wonder how in the world the stewards could've ever taken down Buena Vistan in 2010? · 182 days ago ·

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mkstorm · Have to wonder if the filly would have been taken down by the stewards if it weren't for the Buena Vista DQ from just two years ago? Now it seems like the fillies are even-steven again. Girl Power is back! · 182 days ago ·

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yukichan · Gentildonna's jockey, Iwata, receives a 2-day ban for interference with Orfevre, yet the order is not reversed when he lost by inches. Sunday Racing owns both Orfevre and Gentildonna, would the inquiry result have been different if owners? · 181 days ago ·

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notobsessed · You may be right, maybe it didn't matter since they have the same owners? · 181 days ago ·

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SSilence86 · This should of been his race. · 181 days ago ·

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Orfevre

Sunday's Japan Cup seems to be his for the taking. But is it? He draws the widest stall--17. No horse has won from 17 in the Cup's 31-year history. In fact, no horse has finished in the top five from there. Solemia by contrast will break from stall 14, which sports the highest number of winners. However, it has been reported that Solemia did not travel well, looking listless and losing weight initially. Arguably the best horses in the field all drew to the outside of Solemia, with Japanese Filly Triple Crown winner Gentildonna breaking from 15, Tosen Jordan from 16 and Orfevre from 17. Others out to challenge the likely favorite include American St. Leger winner and third recently in the Melbourne Cup, Jakkalberry. Also pulling in from the Melbourne Cup, Mount Athos and Red Cadeaux who finished 5th and 8th respectfully. If you recall, Orfevre drew barrier 18 in the Arc, and lost by a neck to Solemia. Many felt Christophe Soumillon moved Orfevre to the front too soon in that race. For the Japan Cup, Orfevre's regular jockey Kenichi Ikezoe will be aboard. I believe Orfevre will win and break that 31-year superstition. He's just that good a horse.

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TimSmith · Lets go Orfevre!!! I say Solomenia does not hit the board... · 183 days ago ·

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mkstorm · This year's Japan Cup is shaping up as a great race with the first two Arc finshers and last year's TC winner versus this year's Filly TC winner. I'm not too concerned by Orfevre's outside post but more worried about whether he gets a clean trip in this large field. Betting wise, I'm going with "horse for the course" strategy and boxing Orfevre with other Japanese runners who've had success at Tokyo and will be throwing out the Euro horses. · 183 days ago ·

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Big Pete da bookie from Chicago · Orfevre/Fenomeno/Red Cadeaux is my tri. · 183 days ago ·

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Arc Top Two to Meet in Japan Cup

Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe second Orfevre will have a chance to exact revenge over his Longchamp conqueror Solemia when the two clash in the Japan Cup on November 25. Read More

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MarcelloMarocco · Pay back time!! In a romp! · 194 days ago ·

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footlick · Solemia was best on Arc Day because of turf conditions. She has never been rated close to Orfevre in the past. Unless she improves quite a bit, I would think this was Orfevre's race to lose. · 194 days ago ·

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Dubai Millennium · I thin Orfevre will win the Japan Cup coz is the best horse in long distances on turf and he know this field · 193 days ago ·

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northport · if orfevre can run in a straight line no one will come near him. · 193 days ago ·

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rafirox · Big like on the above comment ^^^^ · 193 days ago ·

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mkstorm · Still think Orfevre is the horse to beat in JC. Don't agree with the naysayers that this horse tired in the Arc. This horse has already proven that he can win at longer distances. I think his Arc loss was just a matter of the horse just letting up thinking the race was over. Can't really blame his French jockey who was urging him all the the way to the wire. Orfevre seems to be his own worst enemy. · 183 days ago ·

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Orfevre

God knows how much talent this horse has. My vote for most impressive 2nd place finishes, ever!

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Orfevre

Showdown at the Japan Cup. Orfevre will have a chance to turn the tables over his Arc conqueror Solemia when the two met in the Japan Cup on November 25.

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Orfevre

Orfevre should try Breeders Cup Classic... Horse seems to love 1 1/4 miles type races. Grandsire is Sunday Silence so conventional dirt should not be a factor!!!

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koolazguy24 · ... plus his late turn of foot would work perfect with Santa Anita's 3/16 mile stretch!!! · 226 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · This horse is a 12f + horse. Also 1m2f over dirt for this horse is nuts. Besides the Japan Cup is coming up and I would bet every last dollar he enters there. · 222 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Closers due HORRIBLE on one of the shortest turf stretches in North America. This turf course is ony 9/10ths of a mile around, the short DIRT stretch outside it is only 990 feet so the smaller inner circumference must be substantially less. · 221 days ago ·

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travel_vic · That of course is Closers DO horribly.......I'll never forget betting Manila against Dancing Brave there based JUST upon that idea: not enought room for the very deep closer to get up. · 221 days ago ·

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11:58 AM

Orfevre, 2nd in the Arc, under consideration to take on Frankel in the British Champion Stakes [Oct 20]

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timgsmith10 · Come on orfevre.. go take a shot. · 227 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · Not with the Japan Cup coming up. · 222 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Fell out of my chair when I heard this... Talk about champions doing battle, if both show up it will quite possibly be the race of the decade, maybe century. · 222 days ago ·

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yukichan · Interesting as I've read in a couple of different places that Orfevre and Aventino arrive in Japan on Oct. 10... · 222 days ago ·

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yukichan · *arrived · 222 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · Really hope they'll take that chance. It would be one of the greatest races I've been around for in quite awhile · 222 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Where is orfevre today? · 222 days ago ·

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northport · he is back in Japan I think, most likely aiming for the cup · 222 days ago ·

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buds · I read he could only be out of Japan for 60 days or he might miss the Japan Cup due to quarantine. · 222 days ago ·

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SSilence86 · Orfevre arrived back in Japan on Oct. 10th · 221 days ago ·

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Orfevre

Local Fans reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AXgGuInYOY&feature=youtu.be&t=1m53s

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notobsessed · Great video of Japanese fan's reactions · 227 days ago ·

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Armada · That was great. Pretty much sums up my reaction, too XD · 227 days ago ·

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yukichan · Sugoi ne!!! Yep, that was me. Watched it the next day too...he really did lose... · 227 days ago ·

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Orfevre - Pedigree

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Stay Gold	Sunday Silence	Halo
		Wishing Well
	Golden Sash	Dictus
		Dyna Sash
Oriental Art	Mejiro McQueen	Mejiro Titan
		Mejiro Aurora
	Electro Art	Northern Taste
		Grandma Stevens