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Deceased
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Bred:
Maryland (USA) by Alfred G. Vanderbilt  -  [Add Data]
Pedigree:
Polynesian  -  Geisha  by  Discovery
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Q of the D: Who would you say is the best stallion of all time?
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  • kay.robinett · Possibly the thoroughbred sire with the most influence in a variety of breeds would be Messenger. He was an early import into the USA from Britain and he was important not only in the early American thoroughbred lines, but was one of the founding fathers of the breeds of standardbred, American Saddlebred, and Tennessee Walkers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_(horse) · 68 days ago
  • Exterminator · Nasrullah · 68 days ago
Buckpasser how are you. I wanted to ask you about a horse and your opinion if you saw him race or what was the consensus when he ran. As i mentioned to you,unless i experienced the history of the game,my interest is not that high. Unless of course something peaks my apetite. Ths weekend i was at a friends house and he had many relatives there. A gentleman who i surprisingly later found out was in his mid-90s' was discussing horses with us. I will preface this only because of the staement he made. In his time growing up in NYC, he was considered one of the top Racing authorities. He owned many horses and had impecable contacts in the industry. The Statement he made was that Native Dancer was the very best RaceHorse he had ever seen. He still follows the game and has a keen eye. Now i have always heard Big Red and some of the others have stated Fager or Kelso to name a few. My question to you is if you did see him run,is he far off in his statement. If someone else had told me that,i would of smiled and disregarded it. But when someone of his experience said that. It truly peaked my interest.I went back and googled him and i think i read that the only race he ever lost was in th Kentucky Derby.
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  • tmallios1 · Seems like Arcaro was a real charecter. When i was younger,i remeber him doing a commercial or 2 with Wilt Chaimberlain if i am not mistaken. I am surprised that in this age of computer programming,that they have not done a race pitting the greatest of all time. · 162 days ago
  • travel_vic · Met him when he visited OLD Evangeline Downs. Still have the program he signed for all of us. Nice guy and a good racing analyst the years he was on ABC · 162 days ago
Geisha. Dam of Native Dancer. https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=663755957008498&set=pb.189123901138375.-2207520000.1391456010.&type=3&theater
  • airedale2008 · It's easy to see where his color came from, and the story proves that life is fickle for horses or humans. · 205 days ago
Royal Savage , Brother of Native Dancer. https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=664727206911373&set=pb.189123901138375.-2207520000.1391456010.&type=3&theater
I'll just post this under a notable (Native Dancer). Who do you think was the best racehorse to compete in the 1950's? Citation? Native Dancer? Round Table? Tim Tam? etc, etc.
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  • travel_vic · Round Table a warrior 66: 43-8-5 56 out of 66 at the highest levels · 386 days ago
  • travel_vic · GREATNESS means consistency, longetvity, adaptability, weight carrier....that is greatness in the race horse not some ONE season brilliance that fades almost as quickly as it glows · 386 days ago
Native Dancer ran against 138 rivals, and defeated all but one. Had he passed Dark Star in his Derby, he would be the rarest of rare in American racing – the only horse to have won the Triple Crown, and to have never lost. What would his legacy be then, and where should Native Dancer be placed on a list of the greatest ever?
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  • rafirox · Native Dancer was a great colt who definitely belongs in the Top 10 American Racehorses. Bloodhorse would tend to agree, rating him #6 behind Man 'o War, Secretariat, Citation, Kelso and Dr. Fager. Native Dancer never put up fast times, but he did win most of his races very easily. Native Dancer was nearly undefeated in 22 starts, his lone loss coming to Dark Star in the Kentucky Derby by a short head. He carried very nice weight, as LAZ said, especially in his Met Mile where he won handily. He won the Three Year Old classics, including the Dwyer and Travers. The clear best colt in his crop, dominating the season, but he never beat older horses during his 3yr old season. Possibly due to that, as LAZ said, he didn't win HOY and Tom Fool won it in 1953. He's definitely a great one and he gets his credit. I don't think it would change how people look at him, he only loss by a head, and it was quite clear he was the best colt. He was also a very successful sire and one of the best in the second half of the 20th Century. Polynesian as the sire, Discovery as the broodmare sire, and John P Grier and Display on the dam side. As for comparing and debating, I don't see what the big deal is. Why can't the public speculate who was better? To say the least, IMO, these threads, creating by Kait, me, Airedale, etc. are the BEST threads and offer the most FUN on this forum. I love hearing the opinions and it shares knowledge. I've learned several new things about a variety of racehorses in variety of generations and decades.. I can't believe you'd say these threads are "malarkey", tv. Why can't you speculate who was better? You're actually quite a hypocrite, especially when you say things like "I only looked the best in the century's eye to eye once. That was on November 5, 1985 when I met Secretariat." (referring to Man O War vs. Secretariat debate). Also, I might add, you constantly blame others for not checking sources. However, you offered a link, "Read this link to figure out about the idiot who ranked Secretariat 10th on Bloodhorse." but you're mistaken as an idiot ranked Red 14th, causing him to lose the top spot. Just a bunch of "hogwash" and "malarkey". · 440 days ago
  • Sullivan · Native Dancer was fine, but I say that Count Fleet was better. It is unfortunate he never saw the Grey Ghost face Tom Fool, Swaps or Nashua · 440 days ago
this horse was so great it was unreal. definitely top ten of all time.
Way too low a rating. Won 21 of 22 races. Lost only the Derby by a diminishing head after a horrible trip. One more jump and you're looking at an undefeated Triple Crown winner. On the breeding side,one of the most important sires in history, through sons like Mr. Prospector and daughters like Natalma, dam of Northern Dancer.
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  • bigbill859 · rifirox my wife is at the track she is betting i bet the 5 to win and she bet a 5 1 ex and wp on the 5 good luck · 533 days ago
  • rafirox · Good luck to you as well, bill. · 533 days ago
Interesting book by John Eisenberg. Hero of a golden age?
  • airedale2008 · Native Dancer was the first horse to become famous through the medium of television. On their small black and white televisions in the early 50’s, viewers could spot the grey as he passed bays and chestnuts one by one, thundering down the stretch. Fans crowded at train stops to catch a glimpse in the flesh. It was routine for celebrities, socialites and business tycoons to flock with over 50,000 to the track to see him. He made the cover of Time Magazine. Joe Estes wrote “The stout gray from Sagamore Farm would be remembered as the horse which first revealed to the millions the courage and nobility of the Thoroughbred.” Was he a hero of a Golden Age? Yes. He also was a short head away from becoming just the second undefeated American racehorse, and the only one also to be winner of the Triple Crown. A good book by Eisenberg. · 544 days ago
Just out of curiosity: Who were some of the best horses (in your opinion) who just fell short of the Triple Crown? Native Dancer is at the top of my list
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  • Sysonby · I've done likes for Rafi, done them for TV -- I'm a Libra, what can I say? · 550 days ago
  • Buckpasser · Since we are identifying our likes. I gave you Icy a like and TV a like and dressage and Sysonby · 550 days ago
What an impressive record Native Dancer achieved... One question though, why did the '53 Triple Crown series have 3 weeks between the Derby & Preakness?
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  • buckpasser · Hshfarms. I found the answer why the change. Maryland racing after 1949 was in serious financial trouble. Pimlico was on the ropes as were all the other MD tracks. Baltimore business men Herman and Ben Cohen bought the track and saved it from becoming the largest parking lot. One of the first moves to restore the second jewel was to reinstate the $75,000 purse which had been cut. The new owners moved back the date of the Preakness three weeks instead of the normal two because if some enhancements to the facility etc. in other words, they wanted everything just so for local champion Native Dancer since there was so much excitement with his entry. This information comes from a book entitled The Preakness by Joseph J. challmes pp. 139-143 in the chapter entitled The 1953 Preakness. As an aside I believe Ben Cohen was the owner of Hail to All the 1965 Belmont Stakes winner · 606 days ago
  • hshfarms · Thanks Buckpasser on the info · 606 days ago
Amazing horse!! He really was! 22: 21-1-0. Great horse. Unfortionet for the soft bone gene he passed on.... if you look back almost all of the horses that break down today have him somewhere in their pedigree... not trying to take anything away from him, but its true. He was a great horse, I compleatly agree. And I do relize he is in almost 75% of race horses pedigree's.
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  • CreativeCause · Sorry it isn't him that is in 75% of all race horse pedigrees, its northern dancer... not sure why I got the two mixed up.... · 631 days ago
  • Buckpasser · If Northern Dancer is in 75% of horse's pedigrees then Native Dancer is as well. He was the Broodmare sire of Northern Dancer. · 631 days ago
Absolutely love him. One of my all time favorites! My grandfather use to tell me stories of his racing career and I wish I had been around at the time, though it seems as if his greatness now shines on through his offspring.
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  • AnnaK · Just started the Native Dancer book by Eva Jolene Boyd. Will see how it goes. · 692 days ago
  • airedale2008 · Thanks for the heads up on John Eisenberg’s book, travel_vic. It is on the way. The Eva Boyd book is a good one, AnnaK. · 687 days ago
22: 21-1-0. 1952 Horse of the Year at 2. 1954 Horse of the Year at 4. 1953 Preakness and Belmont winner. 1952 Champion 2 Year Old Colt. 1953 Champion 3 Year Old Colt. Lost one race - by a head. Native Dancer is worthy of a spot in the Top 10.
April 19th marks the day 60 years ago that Native Dancer began his 22 race career. Only denied a win in the Derby, but for a few more lengths he would have passed Dark Star to become the only undefeated Triple Crown winner in history. He proved his versatility with wins from 5 furlongs to the mile and a half Belmont. Any horse with this phenomenal record deserves a spot near the top of the rankings. Native Dancer should be there now, instead of languishing at #17. Who’s with me?
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  • airedale2008 · jmcleav: Yes, the great Seattle Slew was undefeated through his Triple Crown races. Afterwards, he had a fourth and two seconds. If Native Dancer had won the Derby, he would have been the only Triple Crown winner to have never been beaten. Does someone have an explanation why a horse with this spectacular record is floundering at #17? · 934 days ago
  • cugel the clever · As I mentioned in an earlier thread, most people around here are relatively new to the sport and they only know about, and bother to learn about, the horses in recent years that they've seen. Therefore, horses racing within the past couple of decades are ranked disproportionaly high. · 934 days ago
It gets real hard to rank, we like to handicap and debate and we all have opinions, but Really Native Dancer was unique and his contribution was incalculable, so we have to forget simplistic ranking. Really, he was truly a great on so many levels.
Native Dancer is #18 today. This is a horse who went 21 for 22, only beaten in the Derby by a head after being bumped twice and suffering a poor ride from his jockey. Another few yards and he would have retired at 22 straight. The Grey Ghost was HOTY in '52 & '54 and only missed out in '53 to Tom Fool's undefeated season. Native Dancer was the first equine superstar on TV and deserves a spot in the Top 10.
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  • cocoa2 · @icyhotboo: If what you are meaning to say is I don · 935 days ago
  • cocoa2 · t respect horses from the past your mistaken. I wouldn't put any horse from the past year on the top 100 list, although a few might be close. · 935 days ago
Amazing horse, would have wanted to see match race with Tom Fool!
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  • cocoa2 · I would call Alsab and Whirlaway the best example of a speed horse starting and winning out front. · 936 days ago
  • icyhotboo · simply a comment cocoa2 no problem. keep em coming amusing as hell · 936 days ago
My horse is a descent from Native Dancer. She is a Quarter Horse who used to race. She was good. She is retired and is the same color as her great great great grandfather. She gets colic at least once every year. Guess she gets that form Native Dancer. (Who died at age 17 of colic)
Native Dancer is one of my favorites, who other than Secretariat in the Belmont, would he have not had a chance to track down? I think he's worthy of any top 5 list. John Eisenberg's book about Native Dancer is a must read for any Horse Racing fan.

Native Dancer - Race Results & Past Performances

Date(Descending)
Horse
Fin
Tr
#
Dist.
Sf.
Race
$
Cnd
1st
2nd
3rd
Time
View Details08/16/54Native Dancer1stSar17 fD  4+ MNative DancerFirst GlanceGigantic1:35.20
View Details05/15/54Native Dancer1stBel61 mileDMetropolitan Hcp. (Met Mile) 4 MNative DancerStraight FaceJamie K1:35.20
View Details05/07/54Native Dancer1stBel66 fDAllow 4 MNative DancerLaffangoImpasse1:11.80
View DetailsView Video08/22/53Native Dancer1stWaP71 1/8 mDAmerican Derby 3 MNative DancerLand LockedPrecious Stone1:48.40
View DetailsView Video08/15/53Native Dancer1stSar61 1/4 mDTravers Stakes 3 MNative DancerDictarGuardian II2:05.60
View Details07/18/53Native Dancer1stAP71 mileDArlington Classic 3 MNative DancerSir MangoVan Crosby1:38.00
View Details07/04/53Native Dancer1stAqu61 1/4 mDDwyer 3 MNative DancerDictarGuardian II2:05.20
View Details06/13/53Native Dancer1stBel61 1/2mDBelmont Stakes-G1 3 MNative DancerJamie KRoyal Bay Gem2:28.00
View Details05/23/53Native Dancer1stPim71 3/16 mDPreakness Stakes-G1 3 MNative DancerJamie KRoyal Bay Gem1:57.80
View Details05/16/53Native Dancer1stBel61 mileDWithers  3 MNative DancerInvigoratorReal Brother1:36.20
View DetailsView Video05/02/53Native Dancer2ndCD81 1/4 mDKentucky Derby 3 MDark StarNative DancerInvigorator2:02.00
View Details04/25/53Native Dancer1stJam61 1/8 mDWood Memorial 3 MNative DancerTahitian KingInvigorator1:50.60
View Details04/18/53Native Dancer1stJam61 1/16 mDGotham 3 MNative DancerMagic LampSckl's Sound1:44.20
View Details10/22/52Native Dancer1stJam61 1/16 mDEast View 2 MNative DancerLaffangoTeds Jeep1:44.20
View Details09/27/52Native Dancer1stBel66 1/2 fDFuturity 2 MNative DancerTahitian KingDark Star1:14.40
View Details09/22/52Native Dancer1stBel56 fDMSW 2 MNative DancerTahitian KingReprimand1:09.60
View Details08/30/52Native Dancer1stSar66 1/2 fDHopeful 2 MNative DancerTiger SkinPlatan1:18.80
View Details08/23/52Native Dancer1stSar46 fDGrand Union Hotel 2 MNative DancerLaffangoTahitian King1:11.20
View Details08/16/52Native Dancer1stSar46 fDSaratoga Special 2 MNative DancerDoc WalkerSouth Point1:13.20
View Details08/04/52Native Dancer1stSar65 1/2 fDFlash 2 MNative DancerTiger SkinBradley0:10.60
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