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Horse of the Year Point/Counterpoint: Wise Dan vs Royal Delta

Which of these two champions will take the ultimate Eclipse award?Read More

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Mary Z. · Royal Delta is not a HOTY candidate for 2012. For top older female she is up against Groupie Doll and whichever female takes that award, I will not be disappointed. Of course Royal Delta is my personal favorite. Of the HOTY candidates, IHA, P.O.E., and Wise Dan, I'm still thinking about it. · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Please correct the duplicate paragraph in the Royal Delta side of the debate. The stumble start/rushing up in the Gulfstream too short for her anyway prep was left out, as was the Fleur De Lis beautiful romp over far beneath her females. Plus, Mike Smith placed plenty of the blame for the Personal Ensign on himself and I agree with that. · 195 days ago ·

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DebbieBaucom · Either would be great - leaning toward Royal Delta · 195 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · Wise Dan get my vote. · 195 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · this should be between dan and larend not delta. id give it to delta only if she beat mmm and fort larend, but you don't even have to win the classic anymore for hoy ridiculous. · 195 days ago ·

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zatt · Hoping my side of this argument puts the Horse of the Year talk to bed early with a comfy blanket and sweet dreams. · 195 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · exsuxe me fort Larned* · 195 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · I think Wise Dan will be Horse of the Year and Fort Larned the runner up. But look at how racing has changed, from 1936 to 2008 the Horse of the Year was either a classic distance older male or 3 year old colt 69 times, with 6 fillies and 2 two year old winners. Now in the last three years we have had 3 fillies and this year the winner will probably a turf miler. The older handicap males and 3 year old males are in the glamour divisions of racings. Racing needs stars in these divisions, but with older males racing so few times and the 3 year olds not able too finish the year, it is opening the Horse of the Year award to horses that only 10 years ago would have little chance to win. · 195 days ago ·

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barryreedmitchell · NOT SO FAST! You can never discount the Breeders Cup Classic winner. He always is in the FINAL TWO. While Wise Dan has been extremely impressive, he has dodge all the Grade 1 top DIRT races this year, that has always been a requirement for HOTY awards . Huge mistake, even when given the opportunity to race in the Breeders Cup classic to settle the matter. This decision alone, puts Wise Dan behind several others ROYAL DELTA - The Breeders Cup Laddies Classic winner, defeated a far more stellar field and pack with significant championship implication then this year Turf miler. She has won at the classic distance and is the DOUBLE Breeders Cup winner, previously voted champion honors. Royal Delta resume is far more worthy of the Horse of the Year award then Wise Dan. Her record was from FEB-NOV. Ill Have Another could even be consider second in the voting over Wise Dan, because of his powerful wins in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes. We were all assured of the Triple Crown if he had stayed healthy. FORT LARNED gets the nod in this category. Twice defeated stellar fields in the BIGGEST day of racing on BOTH coast, and holds the Breeders Cup Classic victory with a TOP 117 speed ratings at 1 1/4 classic distance. Fort Larned also holds four races above 110 speed rating, 117,113,111,110, also winning at 109,106 rather easily which would be included. So Fort Larned could have eclipse 110 in six top competition races. He would not be denied on Breeders Cup Classic day, and I don't see him being denied at HOTY ceremonies. His record was from FEB-NOV Final Commentary: A quick look at the past HOTY voting would say, a miler on DIRT or TURF could never win the voting because of the level of competition, and there have been some greats to perform in times past. This hold true this year as well. Wise Dan was manificient. But, we must evaluate the playing field, just as we do in NCAA Football or Basketball Division I versus Division II competition. The horses in which Wide Dan defeated this year are NOT consider to be significant leaders towards divisional honors. Wise Dan raced record was from APR-NOV FORT LARNED gets the nod because he defeated the best TWICE and on BOTH coasts, with high racing numbers ALL YEAR long. · 195 days ago ·

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boxersdaddy · Looks like it is about time that an american turf horse won the HOTY award. · 195 days ago ·

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CarolynKolseth · Royal Delta · 195 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · It looks this year the Horse of the Year goes back to the boys. Wise Dan was just way too good this year. I don't think this HOY vote will even be close. · 195 days ago ·

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Capper · I could see an argument for Little Mike or even Fort Larned, but that loss in the Personal Ensign ruined Royal Delta's chances. · 195 days ago ·

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AmenChampion · Wise Dan. · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Capper, true. Are you reading this, Mike Smith? · 195 days ago ·

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illhaveanothertriplecrown · Has to be either Wise Dan or I'll Have Another. Royal Delta and Point of Entry cannot. · 195 days ago ·

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jane.raymond.7 · You cant make a Boy Vs. Girl P/CP for HOY this yr - doesnt work,esp when the girl didnt run against any boys, her versatility is nothing compared to the boy's (Dan); it's just silly to do it this way this yr. Please do another one between MMM & Dan, or GoD or Dan, or maybe PoE. This one is just totally irrelevant in itself. · 195 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · I'l Have Another is out of the picture. It is Wise Dan, Ron The Greek, Royal Delta or Point Of Entry. POE is a turf horse so cancel him out. You can scratch RD too. Wise Dan or Ron The Greek? Ron The Greek closed more than 10 lengths but finished 4th. His major victories come from the west coast. Wise Dan is our horse. · 195 days ago ·

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fonnerparkfilly · Wise Dan, all the way. I would be very surprised if they handed the honors to another female horse for the 4th year in a row. Like I said, WISE DAN will nail this one, and he deserves it. · 195 days ago ·

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AllenJoyner · I think Royal Delta is a wonderful mare, the the numbers say it's Dan all the way. And he'll win it, I guaranty it. · 195 days ago ·

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AllenJoyner · As I said, Wise DAn. Six different tracks, three different surfaces, the top THREE Beyers for grass, tied for the best Beyer on dirt/synthetic, and misses the World Record by.37 seconds for the mile while breaking isses top Be · 195 days ago ·

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AllenJoyner · Six different tracks, wins on all three surfaces, sets the track record and misses the world record by only .37 seconds at the BC Mile, and has the top 3 Beyer figures on grass, and the best Beyer on dirt/synthetic. WISE DAN for sure. · 195 days ago ·

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northport · royal delta is not nearly as versatile or consistent as wise dan. no contest · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · It was a nice 5 days. Thanks, awfully, for inviting the negative comments about my favorite filly, Matt. · 195 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · I know that was tongue-in-cheek, Mary, but remember, Matt did this out of pure respect for the quality of Royal Delta. · 195 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Mary, I never meant to invite negative comments about her. She is one of my favorites as well, and seeing her up close at Santa Anita last weekend was one of the best experiences I've had at any racetrack. She is a wonderful horse. · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · No, it was not tongue-in-cheek, and negative comments are there lurking and waiting to be unleashed by those who feel that anything has "overstepped its bounds". Also, there are those who lost money chasing winning streaks. Royal Delta is not and never has been a streak setter and then there's that whole subject of the value of streaks. · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Wasn't AF your BCLC pick, AD? · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Forget it, AD. She wasn't just your pick. I'm off of this thread. · 195 days ago ·

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rorschach1992 · As much as I love Royal Delta, I just don't think she has the resume to be HOY this year. Had she won the Personal Ensign, I think she'd definitely be in the running, and we could debate her winning it until the awards are announced, but she unfortunately came up short there. Brilliant as her Beldame/Distaff double were, this just isn't her year to be HOY. She is certainly a lock for Champion Older Female though. Maybe next year will be her year for HOY. · 195 days ago ·

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Nubaruba · Dan and Delta need to get together in the breeding shed after they retire. · 195 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Had to come back for: He's a gelding. · 195 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · I've heard that some geldings can do extraordinary things, some have magical powers, and of course there is always the Immacuate Conception. · 194 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Look at some of the greatest and our respect for them Kelso, Forego, John Henry, Exterminator.....some of the best all time. They got good and just stayed that way! · 194 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · TV it was in response to a poster saying that Wise Dan and Royal Delta should meet in the breeding shed. · 194 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · "not even the great Royal Delta could overcome the challenge of travelling, but neither could Excelebration a few days ago." · 194 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · Granted, not even the great Royal Delta could overcome the challenge of travelling, but neither could Excelebration a few days ago. UM...Royal Delta had Ample time to prep for the World Cup. Excelebration shipped two weeks after winning the QEII on very soft ground over a top notch GR1 field. Excuse him if he ran a touch under his best..... · 194 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Oh, hey Matt, just stoppin by again to say that I didn't get my post BCLC congrats/ sort of apology from darlin QP MM here like I did last year, and I missed that, of course I was away seeing her Royal Delta in person, but he's here now to lap up your blog like I would chocolate pudding, so thanks again, Matt. Now, would you mind chatting about that crap ride Royal Delta got in the DWC which doesn't count towards any North American awards, and if you have a few mins, couldya do an Inglorious blog for MM here, cuz he's never going to get over the Alabama. · 194 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Here's an idea: take a female horse that's not up for an award, but take the stand that she is, and see how many indignities she can endure, including gelding dates and grudge holders. · 194 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · Wise Dan deserves it, but Royal Delta is great too. · 194 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · As mediocre as some think N/A horse racing is, and for those who constantly hype European superiority, at least we won’t be having a horse with a single victory this year, and another who was defeated by a group of non-Group One winners as finalists for HOY. Some good horses in Europe, but I question the lack of depth. And of course whenever we defeat a European horse it’s because of extenuating circumstances, never because we happened to have the better horse. As for who is best, I think that we can say that the Euros might still have an edge on the turf, but when it comes to dirt and even synthetics, where are they. When those Euro horses start defeating N/A horses on those surfaces then maybe we can say that they’re better overall, until then all we’re hearing is talk and misguided conjecture. · 193 days ago ·

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footlick · Synthetic=Dubai. They show up there, Laz. And they do far better than we do. And, again, when our horses ship there and win, let me know. But if they have to constantly ship here and run only on our terms, there will always be extenuating circumstances. Sorry. · 193 days ago ·

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footlick · And by shipping there and winning, I mean shipping to Europe. We already ship to Dubai and rarely win anymore now that the WC is on Tapeta. I think Wise Dan is a very talented horse, but he gets to run under his conditions. Obviously you feel that is fair and right. Again, so be it. · 193 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Footlick, Nathaniel had a single win this year and Camelot was defeated in arguably the most important race in his career when running in a field where he was the sole Group One winner. They are both up for Cartier Awards for HOY along with Frankel, Excelebration and Cirrus des Aigles. As for Dubai and N/A’s success on non-turf racing, since the Dubai World Cup came into existence the US trained horses have won 8 of the 17 World Cups and another winner was bred in the US but campaigned in the UAE (and they did this in spite of having to ship half way around the world). Conversely, in the Sheema Classic on turf I believe that N/A horses have been shut out. My conclusion is that between the US and Europe, the US have superior dirt and synthetic horses and the Euros have superior turf horses. As for Wise Dan and Animal Kingdom and Little Mike, etc., they did what they had to do to win (and almost win) and as for Wise Dan, he has shown the ability to run on different turf surfaces as evidenced by his commanding Four Stars Dave win at Saratoga on yielding turf in a slow time of 1.37 1/5. I’m not trying to say that Wise Dan is the best. All I’m saying is that he is very good right now and has basically done all he’s been asked to do and it will take a very good horse to beat him. · 193 days ago ·

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footlick · Laz- First off,I wasn't going to mention Camelot, but did he do any less that IHA? And isn't IHA up for our eclipse? Nathaniel has proved his class this year considering who he has finished behind. But, you can downplay his class if you want. As far as the DWC, yes we did dominate on dirt,but Europe always sent horses to run to support it, just like they do to support the BC and to support racing in Australia, Japan and Hong Kong. But, how many DWC have we won since it became a synthetic surface race? It is all well and good to have national or regional pride,but don't downplay what European horses go through and try to overcome because their trainers and wonders come to support OUR racing event. We did dominate the DWC when it was on dirt. It would have been embarrassing not to sine we are the only major racing country that runs predominately on that surface. So of course we were eager to ship there. And Europeans ship their horses there to support that event too,and ran their horses on dirt,as they have in our Classic. They also ship to Japan, Hong Kong and Australia. I can't be impressed by the US shipping to run in a race they most certainly will dominate. But, I am impressed with Wesley Ward shipping to England every year,as are the British. I was also impressed with Todd Pletcher shipping horses there last year. And England was thrilled to have them. You and · 193 days ago ·

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footlick · Laz- First off,I wasn't going to mention Camelot, but did he do any less that IHA? And isn't IHA up for our eclipse? Nathaniel has proved his class this year considering who he has finished behind. But, you can downplay his class if you want. As far as the DWC, yes we did dominate on dirt,but Europe always sent horses to run to support it, just like they do to support the BC and to support racing in Australia, Japan and Hong Kong. But, how many DWC have we won since it became a synthetic surface race? It is all well and good to have national or regional pride,but don't downplay what European horses go through and try to overcome because their trainers and wonders come to support OUR racing event. We did dominate the DWC when it was on dirt. It would have been embarrassing not to sine we are the only major racing country that runs predominately on that surface. So of course we were eager to ship there. And Europeans ship their horses there to support that event too,and ran their horses on dirt,as they have in our Classic. They also ship to Japan, Hong Kong and Australia. I can't be impressed by the US shipping to run in a race they most certainly will dominate. But, I am impressed with Wesley Ward shipping to England every year,as are the British. I was also impressed with Todd Pletcher shipping horses there last year. And England was thrilled to have them. You · 193 days ago ·

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footlick · Sorry about the double. I'm on my iPad. I just don't want to keep going on. You obviously don't think much about them shipping here and home field advantage, and that is your right. Weary ever going to agree on this. I have never downplayed Wise Dan and have praised him many times. You can downplay as many Euros as you want. Have a good day. · 193 days ago ·

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thatbigbay · It's about time for a turf horse to take home the big prize. If IHA gets the award, HOTY is officially meaningly. He may have been a good horse, but what about the OF THE YEAR yart? He was only around for a couple months. · 173 days ago ·

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illhaveanothertriplecrown · Yeah but he won bigger races. None of Wise Dan's races compare to the Derby or Preakness. He dodged the BC classic. · 172 days ago ·

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Wise Dan Crushes them in the Breeders' Cup Mile

Wise Dan stakes his claim to Horse of the Year with a devastating performance in the Breeders' Cup Mile!Read More

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ARBY · Crushes ... realy ? He won in a great fashion but Animal Kingdom coming off 8 months rehab, no prep race, steaded and blocked then closes to within 1 1/2 lengths chasing NTR time of free running competitor and WD gets " crushes " headline - I for one think not. · 200 days ago ·

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travel_vic · le. They are tiresome as they rarely ever get there but are continually praised. A horse UP on the lead, battling and then STAYS there are the wire is the champion. He took it all in and was still there. · 200 days ago ·

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travel_vic · These types are always closing and only getting there after the `5/16ths pole..Ho Hum dime a dozen · 200 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Wise Dan IMO is an easy HOY.. But saying AK wasnt amazing as well is nuts.. Well done by both horses.. I will take AK vs any horse on the planet in 2013 · 200 days ago ·

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wantwoman100 · Mike Shutty:outs were 3 out 4 ..the Wise Dan beat him..Good job Mike .... · 200 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · The Turf course was killer fast. Not a fan of firm ground like that. The course needs some cut in because all of the turf races had ridiculous final times.. Hats off to Wise Dan, Excelebration, and AK for a great run. · 200 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Wise Dan was not ina drive. · 200 days ago ·

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travel_vic · putting green as my description much like all the western turf courses. · 199 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · You have to love Wise Dan. Horse of the Year. · 199 days ago ·

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Capper · Just watched the race again & even though AK had some traffic at the top of the lane, Wise Dan had them in his pocket the whole way. They could've gone around again & they weren't getting him, IMO. · 198 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Wise dan = Unreal.. HOY for me · 198 days ago ·

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2012 Breeders Cup brought Thrills and Chills

Wow…after watching a weekend of nothing but the best Thoroughbreds duking it out, a weekend of upsets jumping up and favorites proving their mettle, all I can say is what a fantastic Breeders Cup.Read More

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AndyScoggin · The West and the Euros did not have that much for which to cheer. BC12 provided a bit of redemption for the East. · 199 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · A bit? I'd say a little more than a bit since the East took the Ladies Classic, Filly and Mare Turf, Filly and Mare Sprint, Sprint, Turf, Mile, Classic and Juvenile. But, honestly, shouldn't matter where they come from. These horses gave their all and just wowwed us. · 199 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · A great Breeders Cup, but not a great showing by the western horses, it shows the effect of the early retirement of I'll Have retirement of the top 3 year olds I'll Have Another, Bodemeister and Paynter, those horses would have · 199 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Sorry wrong button, those horses would have helped the western cause. On a personal note, this Cup showed how far I have fallen as a handicapper, my two big wins were Little Mike because well my name is Mike and Fort Larned because I grew up 30 miles from the real Fort Larned. · 199 days ago ·

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buds · Thats funny mike, my brother hit hightail right off the bat because it was the highest price on the board, little mike cuz of his friends name, and also hit with Jim Roames horse, cuz he likes his radio show. · 199 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Three-hundredths of a second off is pretty darn close to being a tie. I hadn't realized just how fast Little Mike's time was until I read this. · 199 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · Florida, another thing to note is that Hawksters time was done in fifths of a second, before they started using hundreths. That is the one thing i dislike about times today vs years ago, you can't compare accurately, since 4/5th could have been .90 in today's world, while still measuring 4/5ths 20 years ago. Mike ran very well, very very quick. · 199 days ago ·

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illhaveanothertriplecrown · That is interesting other than Groupie Doll my 4 other hits were my "long shot" or just for fun picks. · 199 days ago ·

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Floridaf · With that in mind, we'll call it a tie, then. Kudos to Little Mike and Ramon Dominguez for a well run race. · 199 days ago ·

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Impressions from the Breeders’ Cup Backstretch

Who is looking good at Santa Anita? Who may not be looking so good before the Breeders' Cup?Read More

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AndyScoggin · From what I heard My Miss Aurelia looked as good as any horse on the Santa Anita backstretch. · 202 days ago ·

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Indiana · Super impressed with the Lumber Guy, Coil, and Groupie Doll. Can't wait to see how these horses fare this weekend. · 202 days ago ·

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Floridaf · I'm glad you mentioned Excelebration because I was going to ask for your opinion on how he looked. I had read somewhere today that he didn't seem to be handling the heat very well. · 202 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · At least they'll have an excuse after WD runs a monster race, and he will. I'm curious about all the predictions I've made with certainty how many people are waiting to replay after I lose? Well don't hold your breath folks Icy is having a year of years. · 202 days ago ·

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footlick · icy- it is a legitimate excuse. We don;t realize that because our top horses never venture over there to run in totally foreign environments with courses they have never encountered before. I don;t think people appreciate enough the fact that they do ship here. · 202 days ago ·

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zatt · Two great wins and a good second from the horses that caught me eye ... it pays to see them in the morning. · 200 days ago ·

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footlick · I had some big win bets on Calidoscipoco, Flotilla, George Vancouver and Tapizar. And I had the Tapizar exacta. Lost some too, but overall it was a surprisingly profitable BC for me for a change. After the Turf, I thought any Euro would have to run an atypical race to contend. Aiden must have sensed that too because Joseph was riding them very agressively early. Euros tend to like to settle and make one big run. But, that is the risk when they ship here. And they know it. · 200 days ago ·

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Biggest Betting Favorites in the Breeders’ Cup 2012

As the Breeders’ Cup fast approaches, it is not too early to start thinking about your betting strategies. No doubt there will be some very heavily bet horses, which of the favorites are you going to use in your tickets?Read More

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BrianZipse · Matt, I have to question you on your listed favorite in the BC Juvenile ... do you really think Power Broker will be bet below Shanghai Bobby? Also, I would expect Groupie Doll and Executiveprivilege to be bet lower than Game On Dude. · 213 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Personally, I don't see Coil as the Sprint favorite, but that's just my opinion there. I also have a hard time seeing Wise Dan as the Turf Mile favorite despite the year he's had; I think most people will opt to go with Excelebration. · 213 days ago ·

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MikeScetta · Animal Kingdom destroys them in the Mile at 15-1 · 212 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · I'll take Fortify in the Juvenile. Never raced on Lasix, and has hung with the best so far. The question is the removal of Lasix worth the the 6 1/4 lengths he gave to Shanghai Bobby in the Champagne? · 212 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Brian, I believe the Baffert/home track money is going to play an extremely big role in the betting. Without question Groupie Doll should be the biggest favorite and the most deserving favorite. Also, Game On Dude will be the most overbet favorite. I'm not saying that Game On Dude does not have a great chance in the Classic, but that he will be very overbet. · 212 days ago ·

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james.potter.12979 · if the dude dosent see ron the greek flying late like he didnt see drosomleyer last year then i see an upset with ron going off at odds of 7-1 · 212 days ago ·

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Armada · As skilled as he may be, I seriously do not see Power Broker as the favorite for the Juvenile over Shanghai Bobby. There is just no way. · 212 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Wise Dan is the 9-5 morning line favorite on several online betting sites. · 212 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · other than his first out execelebration only lost to frankel · 212 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Wise Dan may be the favorite right now, however, I think a lot of people are going to give more consideration to any European shippers over our American runners in the Turf Mile. · 212 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · My bets as of know (could change): The Classic- Ron the Greek and Dullahan (like him so much, I have to put a bet on him); Juvi Turf- Brown Almighty and Dry Summer; Sprint- The Lumber Guy; Dirt Mile- Shackleford (can't bet against him) and Jersey Town; Turf- Point of Entry and St. Nicholas Abby; Juvi- Power Broker, Bobby, and Know More; Turf Mile- Excelebration, Animal Kingdom, and Wise Dan; Turf Sprint- Don't have one; Ladies Classic- Awesome Feather, Love and Pride; Juvi Fillies Turf- Sky Lantern; Ladies Turf- Lady of Shamrock; Marathon- Atigun; Juvi Fillies- Dreaming of Julia; Ladies Sprint- Don't have one. Who I bet on come race day depends on the odds · 212 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Animal Kingdom has not run since Feb. A BC win would be remarkable against Wise Dan and Excelebration. · 212 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · AK has always been a favorite of mine- he was even my Derby pick. Excluding the Belmont stakes (where he had a terrible start and was injured) he has never placed below 2nd. I have the faith that Graham Motion wouldn't enter him in he thought AK wasn't ready. I expect him to hit the board at the very least. · 212 days ago ·

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buds · can someone explain to me why Worth Repeating is the favorite in the Marathon · 212 days ago ·

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Armada · I'll be looking for AK to pull an awesome comeback in the Mile. · 212 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Cali long distance runner that has won on dirt. · 212 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I was answering buds--that's my guess anyway, about Worth Repeating. · 212 days ago ·

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buds · he just doesnt look dominating to me, i found my favorite im going to try and beat · 212 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · buds--which favorite are you trying to beat? · 212 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Wise Dan has a lot of upside while we've seen the best of excelebration. I need a horse for 3rd to nail the tri solid. · 211 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · I think Executiveprivilege and Groupie Doll are the most likely winning favorites. Since you get such great odds in the Breeders Cup, I am going to try and beat the other favorites. I don't know what the average winning payout is in the Breeders Cup, but I bet it is pretty big. · 211 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Mike in SB -- the Classic average payout $27, the Mile $16, and the Turf $19. · 211 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Wow, thanks Matt, that is a pretty good payout for the Classic, now if I can just pick the right horse. · 211 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · If the average payoff for the Classic is $27, didn't Arcangues pay somewhere in the $250+ range? If so, the average would come down rather drastically? · 211 days ago ·

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travel_vic · We were behind a young couple at Anit in '93. THey had lost in every way possible: bumped, photo'd out of a placing etc. but were undaunted. The wife says to the hubby "I hear this guy Andre Fabre is a good trainer. Let put 5 win , 10 place on this AR-KOG-NAYS horse and see what happens." What a payday right before out eyes. We all congratulated them. · 211 days ago ·

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Winplacsho · Think Royal Delta is most likely winner. Groupie Doll will be tough, but thinking Baffert will have Contested ready to roll. · 211 days ago ·

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railbird33 · Betting favorites on BC day. We can all tell some bad beat stories. (Rock of Gibralter, Lost in the Fog) I like your picks Winplacsho, but my sixth sense says My Miss Aurelia is going to show up big and take down RD. · 211 days ago ·

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AllenJoyner · Royal Delta the most likely winner? In that field? Look out for the undefeated Feather. · 211 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · railbird33 -- I'm with you. Everyone seems to be forgetting about My Miss Aurelia again, but not me. · 211 days ago ·

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gelded1 · Groupie Doll will be a single for sure for me. · 211 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · ICY HOT BOO= How exactly does wise Dan have ALL this upside at 5, and yet excelebration is 4, and has won 3gr1, and dealt with Frankel kept Excelebration from winning 5 gr1's or so in a row?. EXCELEBRATION has the most upside....... · 204 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · Sorry 2 GR1's and a GR3 this year, and 3 runner ups vs Frankel. · 204 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · By upside I meant we haven't seen his best on turf as he's never been pressed. He's a fully mature 5yo vs a 4yo still maturing. For Excelebration this is a race to many. Yes he's faced the best and won group 1s while WD has pretty much relaxed and is fresh. If two men fight, are the same size, weight, speed, etc. and one has worked an 18hr day and the other just relaxed and waited for the fight who would you take? · 204 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Let me take it a step farther, if Excelebration hits the board It will surprise me. You should take another look as I did, this could be the most contested race on the card rather than just two horses. There is a lot of other speed and class in this race a longshot named Moonlight Cloud, Obviously, Mr. Commons wouldn't shock me although I do feel a 4yo doesn't have the kick of a fully mature 5yo at the top of his game. This is the best horse n/a has for my money. · 204 days ago ·

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footlick · You could be right, icy, but Excelebration just ran his best race ever, and did it easily. Aiden said the horse loves to race and thrives on it. Moonlight Cloud has been my pick ever since Freddie announced she would run. Hope she handles the course and heat. I think she has a huge chance to win. · 204 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · This card is very contentious. Only need to hit one race for profit and if not in the mood to wager great viewing. I though Excelebration has raced one to many. Apprently not. Sometimes I forget their all individuals and generalize them. Good to know but I think WD and E are very close in ability. · 204 days ago ·

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footlick · they are, icy. Excelebration's last race put him ahead on RPR's. It is all going to come down to whether Excelebration acclimates and takes to the course. The Europeans respect Wise Dan. But, I, like you, think many of these races could be easily upset. · 204 days ago ·

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travel_vic · great day for keyed veritical exotics · 204 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Excluding the scratches and horses that ended up in a different race, I missed picking the favorite in the FM Turf, Emcee was a few dollars favored in the Dirt Mile, Shanghai Bobby in the Juvenile, and Amazombie in the Sprint. · 200 days ago ·

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Breeders' Cup Mile Welcomes Wise Dan

No vacation, strictly business for Wise Dan, who came to Santa Anita on Wednesday to throw his hat in the Horse of the Year discussion.Read More

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ScottDick · The wise guy is more than just a lot of talk. I think Dan will prove tomorrow he is the best American horse in training! · 201 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Who is going to run with Obviously? That horse is FAST, but does she have another big effort left? · 200 days ago ·

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travel_vic · effort is not given out like food on the shelf. Each effort is from a young rested athlete · 200 days ago ·

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travel_vic · How is it a horse runs out of energy suppossedly but an Olympic athlete runs every few days and no one thinks a thing about it? · 200 days ago ·

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Previewing the Breeders' Cup Race-By-Race

Races 5, 6, 7, 8, & 9: Quick Picks for the Juvenile, Turf, Sprint, Mile, and Classic!Read More

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Midnight Cloud looking to give Head further glory‏

This year, with Goldikova absent having retired to the breeding sheds, Head sends his new stable star, Moonlight Cloud.Read More

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BrianZipse · I actually expect Moonlight Cloud to beat Excelebration tomorrow ... he just did not look good. · 202 days ago ·

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Floridaf · After hearing the reports concerning O'Brien's string, I am seriously reconsidering some of my picks. · 201 days ago ·

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footlick · They said Excelebration looked much better today, which is typical of Aiden's horses, for what it is worth · 201 days ago ·

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yukichan · Excelebration would have been my top choice had there been more time between this and his stunning performance at QE2. I think Aidan is asking quite a bit of him to face the likes of this BC field. He's one of the best horses racing and will indeed be quite the legend (and training job) if he can pull this off. Same goes for Animal Kingdom. Heart wants him to win, heads says probably not. · 201 days ago ·

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travel_vic · another horsey statement based upon nothing but heresay: a horse leaves its best on the track. These are athletes. YOUNG ones at that. For a period of three years I studied charts of horses coming back from hard taxing stretch battles with comments like "all out, driving, etc," to see how they did next out. ONLY fillies showed any signs of "bounce" when the follow up was at least 7 to 10 days. Think hard: How did you respond when you were YOUNG at hard exercise after a few days rest? Fallacy that has been exposed. p. 95 Winning at the Races Dr. William Quirin. "suppose instead we study horses involved in a prolonged drive from the quarter pole to the wire...Maybe this woud be enough to tap a horse's energy reserves. BUT, as the following figures prove, the answer is an emphatic NO." · 201 days ago ·

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Chicago Dark Horse – 2012 Breeders’ Cup Selection Analysis

This is such an exciting time for us all! I can’t wait for the Breeders’ Cup to begin! Here is the analysis of my selections. I can tell you that NONE of these were easy… My son Gabriel (aka the Little Dark Horse) also chimed in with his picks and analysis as well…Read More

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AndyScoggin · All around the Breeders' Cup scene everybody was asking, "Where's the Dark Horse?" · 202 days ago ·

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JohnSigerson · I like your choices DH. I like I'm a Dreamer to win the BC F&m Turf and Royal Delta in the Ladies Classic. I'm with you on the 2yo races. Too tough to call. Gonna be two great days of racing! · 202 days ago ·

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cashtickets · JOHA, JOHA, JOHA wins the Juvenile Turf....as grown up sooooo much the last 2 months or so. Sitting on a huge race · 202 days ago ·

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Capper · Those Euros will be tough in the F/M turf, but the more I look at Marketing Mix the more I like her. She'll be in front of the Euros & can handle the 1 1/4, so she'll be tough to run down. · 202 days ago ·

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b1ueeyes03 · Ceiling Kitty is trying dirt for the first time and, during training, broke out of the gate super slow... maybe something to think about? =/ · 202 days ago ·

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footlick · the Euro filly last year was also trying dirt for the first time · 201 days ago ·

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Wise Dan Blows Away BC Mile Rivals

Wise Dan sat a perfect ground saving tactical trip and blew the doors off his rivals in Saturday's Grade I Breeders' Cup Mile at Santa Anita Park. Read More

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Wise Dan vs. Excelebration in BC Mile

It's Europe vs. America as classy overseas invader Excelebration squares off against razor sharp US hope Wise Dan in Saturday's Grade I Breeders' Cup Mile at Santa Anita Park. Read More

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WesWhite · 9. Moon Light Cloud - 6. Excelebration - 5. Animal Kingdom · 204 days ago ·

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footlick · As long as she acts ok at SA, she has been my pick since Freddie said she would be running here. · 204 days ago ·

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jinlie01 · Tough race but going with Obviously wire to wire · 204 days ago ·

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MikeIllies · Wise Dan will run down Obviously · 203 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · Not if he runs under 133 again · 203 days ago ·

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ruhlmann · There doesn't seem to be much speed in this race besides Obviously. He could be very dangerous once again & his times posted @ SA are legit.......THREAT TO STEAL IT! · 203 days ago ·

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ruhlmann · There doesn't seem to be much speed in this race besides Obviously. He could be very dangerous once again & his times posted @ SA are legit.......THREAT TO STEAL IT! · 203 days ago ·

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ruhlmann · Sorry for the double post it was a mistake. · 203 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · Excelebration-1st Wise Dan-2nd Moonlight Cloud-3rd Animal Kingdom-4th · 203 days ago ·

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yukichan · Valuable insight from Aidan himself on his BC horses...a must read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/31/aidan-obrien-excelebration-breeders-cup · 203 days ago ·

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MarcelloMarocco · I like Excelebration/Moonlight Cloud/AK/Wise Dan. I have a feeling AK is a ticking time bomb, and will show VERY well in the Mile on his return. · 203 days ago ·

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ARBY · Like Derby 137 ... Animal Kingdom and Graham Motion shock the world. Graham Motion says ,"I think this horse can do anything. I really do." We'll all see on Saturday. · 203 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · That field is to strong for him to hit the board off that long layoff with just works. However I have a lot of respect for Graham Motion. If he wins it he should get HOTY · 203 days ago ·

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ARBY · The fans want AK to come back and come back strong. A great effort in this quality of race would get them excited. Hitting the board as pointed out would be huge ... a win spectacular. · 203 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · Like I've said before, my confidence in Motion is strong- he wouldn't have entered AK if he didn't think he could work some magic. I'll be shocked if he doesn't hit the board · 203 days ago ·

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travel_vic · I would wager aganist ANY horse coming from that long a layoff first out back · 202 days ago ·

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Breeders' Cup European Report - Nov 1

Having cleared quarantine Wednesday evening, Aidan O’Brien’s powerful Breeders’ Cup team took to the Santa Anita track for the first time to stretch their legs Thursday morning. Leading the group was St Nicholas Abbey, who will be bidding to win the Breeders’ Cup Turf for the second time in successi...Read More

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Breeders' Cup European Report - Oct 31

While the horses from Aidan O’Brien’s Ballydoyle Stables remain in quarantine until they are able to make their first appearance on the track Thursday, the trainer was at the barn on Wednesday morning and spent some time with members of the international media discussing some of his Breeders’ Cup ho...Read More

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Excelebration

No horse has won the Woodbine Mile and the Breeders Cup in the same year. Betting this horse all the way

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Excelebration

Excelebration has my money in the BC Turf Mile. He knows how to kick horse butt.

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Point/Counterpoint: Wise Dan vs Excelebration

The Breeders' Cup Mile features America's Most Versatile Miler, Wise Dan, & Europe's Excelebration, second only to superhorse Frankel!Read More

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Mike in SB · This race could be a great test of how American horses compare to those in Europe. I believe Wise Dan is the best American turf miler in many years and possibly the best American horse in training, if he runs his race and still loses to Excelebration or another European horse, then it will show that the Europeans are breeding and/or training better horses than we are. · 210 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Great P/CP debate Brian and Jasen, but I think this is the year that the Anericans take the two big grass events with Wise Dan and Point of Entry. · 210 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Flat out there is NO stamina in the North American bred. Why do you think that the IRISH bred wins so many of the big ones? They have not forgotten what the well bred horse is supposed to be able to do. · 210 days ago ·

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footlick · It all depends on whether Excelebration handles the climate change and the Santa Anita course. He just ran a huge race in the QEII · 210 days ago ·

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Floridaf · After looking at the weather forecast for BC week, I think I'll have to give the edge to Wise Dan. I'm just not sure how well Excelebration will handle the heat in Southern California. · 210 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Timeform rates them about equal but I think Wise Dan is the fresher of the two. Obviously is a fast, intriguing horse who may have a shot at it all. Turned out to be more than a two horse race IMO. · 210 days ago ·

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footlick · icy- Racing Post rates Wise Dan on each surface he runs on separately. Timeform just posts the top rating, not sure if they differentiate. Excelebration improved in his QEII, to a new top. As I said, I will be paying attention to hoe he acclimates. OBrien knows what American racing is all about, but he can't make the hose acclimate. The horse has traveled before and won, so to me it is the handling of the climate change and the hardness of the turf. · 210 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Although Timeform doesn't seem to differentiate both of these ratings were recent so they had to be on turf,EXCELEBRATION 135, Wise Dan 134. Prior to this rating they were rated 133 and 132 respectively.What do think of Obviously? Lot of speed there. If it's hot and it usually is I agree with you but then doesn't WD also have to acclimate along with the others shipping from outside the states and also from East to West? · 210 days ago ·

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footlick · Wise Dan does not have to ship as long a distance nor does he have to do through quarantine. He will get more time to gallop on the track than Excelebration will. I do think Obviously is dangerous. He is very fast and may just be able to steal it. · 210 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Each yaer my bookie connection at Doncaster sends me the British evaluation of horses on Breeder's Cup day. They ar as much biased as ours are. · 210 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · The reason I favor Wise Dan goes along with thinking about horses in general, that most reach their peak as 5yos. I have friends in England I chat with and they give WD the edge because they feel Excel can't recover from that heavy ground at the QEII · 210 days ago ·

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buds · Key them both in the super · 210 days ago ·

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footlick · That could be, icy, but I'll wait until he gets here before making that evaluation. All I know is that he has never run a bad race no matter what surface he runs on. Wise Dan has the advantage, no doubt. But I have to wait until he gets here and I can see how he acts before I can really make that judgement. The surface for the QEII was difficult, but he won easily, so we just have to wait and see. · 210 days ago ·

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footlick · I'm still going to keep an eye on Moonlight Cloud · 210 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · Take Frankel entirely out of Excelebration's career equation and the European racing press would by now have hailed him the greatest turf miler seen in Europe since Goldikova in 2009-10, guaranteed. He would have 3 or 4 major G1 stakes wins in Europe at a mile besides the 3 major G1 stakes wins he's actually won. If not for Frankel, we seriously could be looking at a turf miler with about 7 or 8 major G1 wins already on his resume' by the end of his 4YO season. Make no mistake, Excelebration is fantastic horse that just had the misfortune of being foaled in the same year as a genetic freak. I think Wise Dan's one of the best American turf horses I've seen in many, many years, at any distance. But if Excelebration brings the same level of "A" game he just brought to Ascot for the QE II Stakes into the BC Mile, I think Wise Dan's running for 2nd place $. JMO. · 207 days ago ·

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yukichan · As much as I am a huge fan of Excelebration, Wise Dan and Moonlight Cloud, I'd like to see how they ship and take to the track and conditions. One cannot dismiss Obviously here. · 206 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Footy. I agree I really do like Moonlight Cloud · 206 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · I really thought Moonlight Cloud had Black Caviar beat at Ascot. · 206 days ago ·

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Excelebration

Sounds like BC will be Excelebration's and Fame and Glory's swan song...http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/a-p-obrien-fame-and-glory-to-have-visor-for-breeders-cup-bid/1139721/latest/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews

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ILuvTurfRacing · @yukichan, They said a few days ago that the BC Marathon would be Fame and Glory's final race, win, lose, or draw. But the last I had read about what they were saying about Excelebration was that if runs well in the BC Mile they might consider sending him to Dubai in March to run in the G1 Dubai Duty Free over 9f. I think it was on Sportinglife.com where I read that like on Thursday. · 207 days ago ·

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yukichan · That would be good news indeed! Roger Charlton reports "Dundonnell has arrived in Santa Anita for BC, travelled well (23hrs) only delay due to de-icing the plane at Stanstead and customs in LA." Any word on the other Euros' travel plans? · 206 days ago ·

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Frankel, on Top of the World

After Frankel rolled by Cirrus Des Aigles in the grade one Champion Stakes, extending his record to an unbeaten 14 for 14, there was only one thought in my mind… I had just witnessed the greatest horse to ever race of all time.Read More

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BrianZipse · The best of all-time is too hard for me to compare, but ... I have no doubt that he is one of the best I've ever seen in 40 years of watching the races. · 213 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Great article but I'm baffled by the comment about the 'clueless ride' on Bullet Train? It was one of the smartest pieces of riding I've seen! Frankel misses the beat, Ian Mongon drops back to keep in touch as planned? · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Dan, I say that because I feel he stayed back way too long. Bullet Train is a pacemaker, would that mean his job is to make sure Frankel gets a good pace to run at, especially after the break left him behind Cirrus Des Aigles? I can understand staying back for a bit to make sure he's ok, but after that get up there and make things tough on the leaders like you're supposed to. That is where i got clueless from. Brian, you are no stranger to hard comparisons with your Star of the Week. I figured I'd bite the bullet this time :) · 213 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Really? And of course you have seen so many. Not to take away from his brilliance, but I think that is quite a stretch, in fact, not really worth arguing about. And that “clueless ride” as you so aptly put it on Bullet Train. Maybe you should have listened to the commentator during the running of the race. Bullet Train's sole purpose was to "drag Frankel along" as he put it. To me that doesn’t define “rabbit”. It’s more like a NASCAR strategy where teams race and one sets it up for another. Of course Frankel didn’t need any help. I don’t think he ever did and I’m glad his break was slow and he more or less did it on his own. Frankel! Great horse yes. Greatest of all time? Whatever you think. · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Laz, I have watched enough to formulate an opinion, and i just gave over 1000 words of facts to back it up. Please, if you'd like to slam, give us your top horse and why? If you can't walk the walk, then don't talk the talk. Also, I'm not the only one with that opinion of the ride on Bullet Train, there were also commentators who shared that same opinion. · 213 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Dani. Race tactics and planning, as confirmed on course by connections were not to make it a testing gallop. It was to assist with the settling of Frankel. This is why he's been the 'tow' for all of the racecourse gallops too, not to make a testing gallop as Frankel, in honesty, was the most dubious stayer of the pack over 10f. · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Okay, I'll take a stab here, dani. Would you like for me to argue against your claim with Frankel as the best ever with Dubai Millenium, Ribot, Shergar, Man O' War, Kelso, Brigadier Gerard, or Ruffian? · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · If you want I'll take Frankel and Dr. Fager for best miler of all time? · 213 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · If Frankel is the best horse in the world, I don't think there needed to be a lot of worry about the pace or the condition of the turf. Outstanding horses find ways to win races. · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Dan, while I understand that, after he noticed Frankel didn't need his assistance he should have gone about his own business, and he did. And to watch the race, once Bullet Train did move to the front he did indeed make the pace quicken, so the comment about not making the pace a testing gallop would have seemed to have gone out the window. It was an indecisive ride. Either stay back, like the connections apperently wanted, or go up and press the pace like the term pace maker would imply. You also say Frankel was questionable at that distance...How? He had won going 10.5 furlongs in his last race and won by open lengths. That would have taken care of the question mark hanging over the "can he get the distance?" question. · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Andy, Sysonby and Man O' War and Native Dancer would have to disagree on that one. lol. But I do agree that outstanding horses do find ways to win that other horses simply cannot. RA for example, those fractions in the Haskell(?) were like a 5f sprint. · 213 days ago ·

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DanMunn1 · Dani. I said most dubious stayer of the pack. All of the other rivals had proven their stamina on more than one occasion over 10f on that kind of ground. To be honest, I heard the tactics from the connections themselves and, to be honest, I'm not getting into an argument with someone less than 24hrs after I witnessed the greatest race of my life as it'll spoil it so I'll leave you to it. · 213 days ago ·

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GregRiessland · frankel is the best as it showed he can win from anyway where. he will crush you from anywhere on the track. it was great watching all his races, fantastic horse · 213 days ago ·

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SteveHerron · Declaring Frankel the greatest of all time seems to be driven more by emotion rather than historical perspective. While I have no problem saying he's one of the best European runners of all time, let's not forget he's only run 14 races, with an average of 4.3 races per year. Not to mention that Frankel never once faced his elders without the help of the hopeless pacemaker, Bullet Train. I don't doubt Frankel is a freak and will always have a place in history as one of the best, but I feel it's a bit of a double standard when some are flabbergasted when they hear people even suggest that Zenyatta was the greatest female racehorse in history, while at the same time having absolutely no doubt Frankel deserves the #1 spot, despite not having even run in the most prestigious race in Europe, the Arc D’Triomphe. I love Frankel, but there are simply too many other great horses in history for me to say he is without a doubt the best ever. · 213 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · I don’t recall slamming your piece Dead-Heat. My bad. I just had the audacity of not agreeing with it. I agree that Frankel is brilliant, but to call him the best ever is definitely a stretch. He never faced a Sea Bird, Nijinsky, Ribot, Mill Reef, Alleged, Brigadier Gerard, Miesque, and more recently Zarkava and Sea the Stars, etc. and etc.; and that’s just confining it to some of the great European horses. Forget about the Orient and to some degree the Middle-East. And I won’t even bother bringing up American dirt horses like Citation, Seattle Slew, etc., or American horses that were proficient on turf into the conversation like Secretariat, Kelso, Lure, Dr. Fager and many more. I would love to see how Frankel would have stacked up against Round Table, a horse that won at 9 different distances between 6F and 13F and who carried weights ranging from 130 to 136 lbs. to victory 16 times, and every time giving away large spreads of weight. He won 14 of 16 career turf races, losing one when he finished last after sustaining and injury, and the United Nations Hdcp by a half-length when giving the winner 17 lbs (130 to 113) and breaking the track record by a full second to boot. Frankel never really gave weight in his career. He might have carried heavy weights at times, but so did his main competitors. As for distances, the great filly Zarkava was a top miler and also won two 12F races including the Arc, both those wins at three and both against older horses. She won all her races coming from behind with a whirlwind finish, and won them easily in margins from 2 to 3 lengths, which was all she needed to do to show her dominance. STS won in multiple distances ranging from 7F to 12F and four times as a three year old defeated the best older horses in Europe, including Conduit, a two time BC Turf winner and IMO a much better horse than SN Abby. Maybe you forgot, or maybe you aren’t really aware of the dominance of unbeaten Ribot a two-time Arc winner; Nijinsky’s great TC run; Brigadier Gerard’s incredible 17 wins in 18 starts, his only loss when Roberto ran a race of a lifetime; Alleged’s 9 wins in 10 starts, 6 of them at 12F; Sea Bird absolutely humbling one of the deepest Arc fields of all time; Mill Reef, like Brigadier Gerard, winning important races in distances from 6F to 12F during his stellar career, one of those losses to Brigadier Gerard. I could go on and fill several pages about these great horse’s accomplishments and then make a comparison to Frankel’s career and the quality of many of the horses that he faced and compare it to the quality of many of the horses that they faced, but I have a feeling it would be lost on you. · 213 days ago ·

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rafirox · Obviously Dani is clueless about this subject. Bullet Train was ridden great yesterday. The point was, he didn't want to go out up front and kill Bullet Train, then the other pace maker would slow the race down. Bullet Train waited, applying pressure. Then, he quickened up the pace in the middle of the race to tire the other one out. · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Laz, if you aren't willing to stick your neck out and pick one horse, before picking apart another then you have no right to pick. Disagree if you will, but at least i picked one horse, and backed it up. You say he never faced a some of the greats...Canford Cliffs beat Goldikova, one of the most well respected milers in Europe, Immortal Verse did the same and he beat that one as well. If you wish to slam his competition, then first look at who he beat. Three champions are there, and many multiple groupe one winners. Also, many of those greats never faced the likes of the others you listed. Double standard there. Zarkava, while versatile, never raced under a mile nor past three. You mention triple crown runs, that's great and brilliant stretch of running, Frankel was brilliant his whole career. Many would argue that Cirrus Des Aigles ran a race of a lifetime, Frankel won. Great horses win, and he won no matter what, he was brilliant no matter what, and did it over a span of 3 seasons. These horses are great, but they had their flaws. Frankel had none. · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Dani I let you PICK a horse and you still won't debate with me. And aren't you the writer of dead heat DEBATES? · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · It is important to remember how Frankel's biggest loss was when the field got away from him. Bullet Train did not need to act as a rabbit, he was to act like a teacher and keep little nutty Frankel out of his own whackjob mind. · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · Cocoa, pick any horse you want. Not really fair for me to pick one. You want to pick one of the ones you listed at random, and i'll debate it with you, it could be fun ;) At three i might agree with your last statement, but at four, I don't think Frankel ever really needed Bullet Train. His unflappable attitude in the Champion demonstrates that. · 213 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · The good doctor might be a good candidate but I think I'll go with Ribot. EVERY horse is governed by pace. Some, like Ruffian, were not governed as much as a horse such as Dr. Fager when he faced the rabbit in the 67(?) woodward. · 213 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Dani, first of all I didn’t pick apart Frankel so maybe instead of getting all hot headed and uptight and self-righteous because someone (of many) doesn’t happen to agree with you, you should actually try to comprehend what was written. I simply stated that Frankel isn’t, nor will he ever be, the best ever. That’s my opinion and I hope that like you I’m allowed to have one. As far as picking a horse, I thought I just picked a dozen or so. In fact I will go as far to say that Frankel would have met his match with Round Table alone. Round Table ran during four years; was a top rated three year old in what was arguably the deepest American three year old dirt crop ever; ran 66 times in his career and often ran three and sometimes four races in a single month against the top competition in N/A; won at multiple distances from 6F to 13F; won 16 races carrying 130 to 136 lbs. and always gave large amounts of weight; 16 times ran the fastest three year time for various distances at different tracks; on dirt won a 10F Hollywood Gold Cup at three in 1.58.3/5 (one of four sub 2 minute 10F races on dirt in his career); a mile on dirt in 1.33 2/5 while carrying 130 lbs., 9F in 1.46 4/5 carrying 130 lbs.; and on turf won at 9F in 1.47 1/5 carrying 132 lbs. and 10F in 1.58 2/5 carrying 132 lbs. Arguably he was the best American Turf Horse all time and it’s a shame that he never got the chance to run in Europe. And yet as good as Round Table was, there are many N/A horses rated well ahead of him, though if the rating was based on turf racing alone he would have been included among the best with Secretariat, Kelso, Fort Marcy and Dr. Fager, all of which proved their prowess on dirt, but in their limited starts on turf also showed their brilliance. As for Frankel and the so called incomperable competition that he has faced let’s see: Slim Shadey won a G2 in N/A and was dusted by Little Mike and Acclamation in G1 races and Bourbon Bay in a G2; Treasure Beach is a nice horse but didn’t Point of Entry just run away from him in the Turf Classic and I don’t hear where that one is included in the discussion as best ever; Dream Ahead (a US bred) improved greatly after Frankel; Farhh who finished second to Frankel twice in a row and both at equal weights has still never won a G1 race. As of this writing he won 3 of 8 starts. Cirrus Des Aigles has won 16 and lost TWENTY-NINE of his lifetime starts. A couple of starts ago he wasn’t even close to Golden Lilac (the best that one has beaten was Galikova who in turn beat her, and Galikova was no match for Danedream, another that Frankel never faced); and Planteur, a single G1 winner. Excelebration is a good miler but certainly no better than Canford Cliffs, Miesque, or even Goldikova. The best horse he has beaten appears to be Cityscape, yesterday, and a few weeks back Wise Dan humbled that one into defeat and won with much to spare. Nathanial is a very good horse, but I don’t think he is the horse he was last year, certainly not in the final furlong. St. Nicholas Abby has won a single race this year and as has often been stated is at his best at 12F (he faced Frankel at 10F though I don’t think he would beat Frankel at 12F either) a distance that Frankel has never tried, not that I’m holding that against him because I’m not. As for SNA’s BC Turf win, Conduit beat tougher fields during both his wins and Conduit was definitely no match for Sea The Stars. To put it bluntly, Frankel never met the quality of horses that I stated in my previous post and I guarantee, and so will many others, that he would never dominate any of them, even if he was good enough to win a few races against them, the way he dominates the bunch he has faced in his career. · 213 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Frankel is a great horse and well deserving of the accolades. The best ever in Europe, I would have to give that to Ribot. The best Euro I ever saw race would have to be Brigadier Gerrard. Best American horse is one of the ones I saw race multiple times and that would Kelso. · 213 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · cocoa, looking at their records and comparing, I have to say, the two horses strike me as very similar. Both top two year olds, both top three year olds and both dominant older horses. It would seem to me Ribot was race at distances, where Frankel remained at a mile for most of his career. Both could do short, both could also stretch out, both could run over any kind of conditions as well. Both also had the brilliance factor. After looking at his record, I would not argue with anyone who wished to pick Ribot as the best. I personally would still choose Frankel, and in this case one could say that it is more of a bias, since I was able to witness him in action and was not Ribot. However, I would still not argue with one who would call Ribot the best of all time. Laz, you are bias and twist the facts to suite you. If I remember correctly, when comparing Zapper and Curlin's competition, you noted how many wonderous horse's Zapper faced, but failed to mention that most of the horses you listed only reached their full peak after they met Zapper. However, here you pick out Dream Ahead, saying he became much better after facing Frankel. You also choose to slam Cirrus, tell me, Laz, what is that horse's recent form? What is his form over soft ground? I'll save you the time, his recent for is a romping win in his last start and he is know to relish, yes, relish soft going. Again, don't pick and choose facts. No need to act like a politician. Excelebration, if not for Frankel would be one of the most dominant milers in Europe as of now. I seriously doubt anyone on either side of the pond would deny that, so slandering him, especially after the QEII win, won't get you anywhere. You say Nathaniel is not the same horse, really? A grade one winner this year, second twice behind last year's Arc winner and the outstanding filly Snow Fairy. His only other start was a third in the champion behind the Frankel and the race's defendig champion. Hardly seems like he has taken a drop in form. Also you compare him to Round Table. Sorry, but it is no secret that American tracks are firmer, faster, and flater, meaning you will most likely see faster times on our side of the pond. So listing times, and trying to use them to prove dominance, is reaching just a bit. At the conclusion of this, I think it's very clear of your bias against Frankel, for he clearly did face quality horses throughout his entire career, a fact you refuse to acknowledge. However, the great thing about America is that you can have your opinion and you have the right to choose to ignore facts. Have a good night Laz. · 213 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Dani. Sorry. I don’t twist the facts, I state them. For instance, when Saint Liam ran that head-to-head Woodward against Ghostzapper, it’s true, he still wasn’t a G1 winner. That would come immediately after. However, with the possible exception of the Whitney, in which he finished second to Commentator the following year, the race he ran that day against Ghostzapper was as good or better than any race he would subsequently run during the remainder of his career and that includes wins in the Clark, Donn, Foster, Woodward and BCC. That day he ran on the lead with lights out fractions of 45 3/5, 1.08 3/5, 1.33 1/5 and finished in 1.46 1/5 and he did it while carrying 126 lbs. That performance wasn’t a fluke. It was because he was good with a capital G. Roses in May had already won a Whitney and in his final two races after the BCC loss to GZ would finish 2nd in that Donn to St. Liam and then win the World Cup. Pleasantly Perfect had already won a Pacific Classic, Dubai World Cup and BCC before being soundly defeated by Ghostzapper. Where’s the bias? Here’s a bias though. When Zenyatta defeated Twice Over the feeling was so what, Twice Over wasn’t all that much to begin with, and yet when Frankel defeats him he defeated a really good horse. Here’s another. Dream Ahead, whom Frankel defeated in 2011, was a multi G1 winner of two races before they met and I believe three after. However, he never won a G1 past 7F his absolute limit (they never even entered him in a longer race). The majority of his wins were at 6F and two at 7F, not at a mile. And yes, he was much better after Frankel. He defeated Goldikova in his final start. I doubt very much he would have even warmed her up before he faced Frankel. As for Cirrus and any advantage he was supposed to have because of the soft turf. It seems to me that Frankel won two races this year on turf listed as yielding including the Queen Anne Stakes when he defeated Excelebration by 11 lengths. Yielding is considered slower and deeper than soft. So tell me, who had the advantage? As for Nathanial. He has all of a SINGLE win this year period. News flash. Two other horses have defeated him besides Frankel. Maybe you should include them in your analysis for the Best Ever. As for Round Table, I only mentioned his fast times to show his quality and ability to run on different surfaces and at different distances and while carrying heavy weights and giving a lot of weight to his opponents, and this at a particular time in America when race surfaces weren’t all that fast, certainly nowhere near as fast as they are now. He also ran and won on various types of off tracks. I know that in Euro racing times aren’t important and I’m sure that if Frankel would have run on fast turf course without hills he would have run some really fast times too. I also mentioned Round Table because he ran 66 times over four years, came back after a bad leg injury, gave vast advantages to his competitors race in and race out, had a stellar record and yet wasn’t even in the top 16 in the Bloodhorse top 100. I could still name 10 European horses that I would rate ahead of Frankel, but that would be a waste of my time. I will state that IMO Frankel is an all-time great, one of many all-time greats, not just a few all-time greats. But to say he’s better than Ribot, for instance, is like you said, your opinion. Here’s an analogy for his second Arc win: Longchamp - 2,400m WON - cantered to victory by an official 6 lengths, never off the bit at any time from Talgo (horse) in second, beating a field consisting of the English Oaks winner, French Oaks winner, two Irish Derby winners, Grand Prix de Paris winner, French St Leger winner, Laurel Invitational winner and the runner up in the Belmont Stakes. Photographs suggest that the winning margin was more like eight and a half lengths. Frankel never faced a deep field like that. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · EVER? ALL time? surely you jest. the breed has been around, officially since about 1750, and it ALL THAT TIME this one is BEST? Hogwash · 213 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · LAZMANNICK, Buckpasser, travel_vic, footlick, Mary Z, zxswordxz, cocoa2, and others who don't come to mind right now but are here, thank you for the balance, objectivity and facts you provide on this sight which also gives me the luxury of sitting back and reading a thread with thorough enjoyment, and many times amusement. Dani, I realize you're involved in this sport and have first hand knowledge of thoroughbred's and as you've stated have studied racing for 10 years. However some points of view I have. The above mentioned people along with others have centuries of both first hand knowledge and study. To keep this short the most important aspect of any argument you take part in (and you can look through your comments) is you have never felt you were in error on a single point, let alone any argument. If you really want intelligent converstation I suggest in all good faith you entertain the possiblity you're not infallable. I say this because you have great potential as a contributor but not with the absolute "need to be right" attitude which will be your undoing. If I didn't think you were worth it I wouldn't waste my time, but I do, so I hope you take this as constructive. Have a nice evening. · 213 days ago ·

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railbird33 · Greatest horse ever,,, always brings out the best comments on this site. One piece of information I would like to see, did Frankel set any stakes or track records in his fourteen wins. ?? That's the true test of the greatest, not beating the other horses in the gate IMO · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · If your horse blows away field after field, WHY push him to gain some track record. There is no bonus money for that. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Test of greatness are all about ADAPTATION and that often is overcoming things normally a handicap: weight carrying, running in differeing styles over differing surfaces, in all weather, with different riders, and against the best. Take a horse like JOhn Henry: longevity, weight carrying, took on all comers on both surfaces for a LONG time. Those accumulative accolades spell champion. · 213 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Or, find a horse that just changes the history of the game with a uniqueness heretofore never seen: Speed Fager, overcoming racing style: Zenyatta, PURE speed at a distance too; Secretariat. These were not perfect but so unique that they deserve the title of immortals in racing. · 213 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · railbird, that is by far the worst test. A record is nice to have, but a lot of things can go into times, one of the biggest being the track. Quality Road set a record in the Florida Derby, but it was his Donn record i respect, since his FD record came over a very souped up track. Position and pace can also play a huge roll in that. If the pace is slow, you most likely won't see a closer rushing up and getting a record. Sometimes even when the pace is quick a closer may not set a record due to a pace meltdown. Brilliance, body of work, longevity, and versatility are all much better ways to assess a horse's greatness. · 212 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Thanks, icy. I enjoy your comments, too. Tim, don't feel left out :) · 212 days ago ·

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footlick · Thanks icy. It is nice to be included in that group. You bring alot to the table also, don't forget. I especially appreciate you knowledge on standardbreds. · 212 days ago ·

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travel_vic · COcoa again shows his ignornace. NOT every horse is governed by pace. Affirmed and Fager WERE the pace and evey one else reacted to them · 212 days ago ·

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railbird33 · As T_V and others have pointed out, greatness doesn't have a clear measure; wins, times, earnings, competiton, endurance, can all figure into the mix. In my 40 + years as a handicapper and fan, I know I've missed 90% of the great ones. · 212 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Icy. Very flattered to be included in such a group. Always love hearing from a fellow harness fan and well as someone who knows betting and thoroughbred racing as well as you do. · 212 days ago ·

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bernardini3 · Frankel is obviously an amazing horse which can be and should be understood by all horsemen. But there is no way I could possibly classify Frankel ast he greatest horse of all time. He never ventured from where he was comfortable to challenge the champions of America. Now we'll never know how good he truly was... · 212 days ago ·

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bernardini3 · Frankel is obviously an amazing horse which can be and should be understood by all horsemen. But there is no way I could possibly classify Frankel ast he greatest horse of all time. He never ventured from where he was comfortable to challenge the champions of America. Now we'll never know how good he truly was... · 212 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · Bernardini, how often do American champions travel to Europe? almost never. enough with the double standards. · 212 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Travel_vic again shows his ignorance. Dr. Fager was beat by 15 lengths due to him being governed by pace. Affirmed was also governed by pace. If he was pressed a closer could come and win. Ignorance, pure ignorance. · 212 days ago ·

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likin sparks · Good write up Laura and yes Frankel has been one of the greatest in modern times. · 212 days ago ·

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travel_vic · you made a blanket statement about ALL races are goverened ypace. NOT when a horse gets out front and dictates it to the entire field, they are not afffected by it. · 212 days ago ·

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freddycaple · Definitely a great. Say "all time" really is difficult when thinking about it over a span of time. So much changes over the years. I do believe he is one of the greatest though. derbydeals.com · 211 days ago ·

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likin sparks · One thing I really admire is that Frankel went all 14 with out any race day medication. Just shows that horses can be freaks without doping. · 211 days ago ·

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travel_vic · There are many who believe Secretariat "couldn't have been so dominant" without drugs, but then they never stood next to him like I did, tiwce, and no different. · 211 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · I think it's really difficult to compare the all-time great horses across generations, but I agree with Brian Zipse. In my 30+ years now of following the sport Frankel is definitely among the very best horses I've ever seen!! I don't know that I can remember any other horse who's first big initial burst of speed when ask for run just left fields for dead the way Frankel's initial burst did. The "so-called" experts and racing fans alike will be debating for years to come whether Frankel was the greatest of all time or not? Regardless of whether you feel he was or wasn't? We're not likely to see another horse of his caliber for another 20 or 30 years, IMO. I think everyone would agree that Frankel was absolutely an amazing animal to watch on a racetrack!! · 211 days ago ·

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likin sparks · You know TV, many of us would envy that and just being able to see Secretariat or Frankel race live would be a life lasting memory. · 211 days ago ·

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travel_vic · ALL here, owe it to yourself to save your money, write the various farms in and around Lexington, and go there. GO THERE in November: not much going on, it is cold so many stay away. it is often just you and the stallion as it was for me an Alydar, Sect, Bid, Cougar, Ack Ack, Prospector, Tom Rolfe, In Reality, Dmascus, Polish Navy, Nijinsky, Ferdinand, Cox's Ridge, Slew, Slew O'Gold, Gato del Sol, Bodl Forbes,Exceller, ....when you are there by yourself, you "own" the place. Al the fams addresses are on line. Devil's Bag, Danzig etc all there to see one on one when I visited in November. · 211 days ago ·

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notobsessed · Great advice, tv! I'd much rather see them up close like that and plan on doing a farm tour in a coiuple of years. · 211 days ago ·

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notobsessed · right after I learn to type · 211 days ago ·

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Excelebration Supurb at Ascot

Queen Elizabeth II Stakes Sponsored by Qipco (Group 1) A BLISTERING performance from Excelebration put this race to bed in a matter of strides as Aidan O'Brien's 10-11 favourite landed his third Group 1 with a dominant display which saw him trounce Cityscape and Elusive Kate with ease. The first thr...Read More

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ARBY · Great showing yesterday. Will 1 mile around two turns impact his BC showing? The Mile field will be interesting as it sorts itself out. · 214 days ago ·

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Excelebration, born in any other year …

Do you remember the Washington Generals? Sure you do; they were the basketball team that took it on the chin from the Harlem Globetrotters too many times to count. Their amazing losing streak helped highlight the spectacular play of the winners. Why do I bring up the Generals in a horse racing colum...Read More

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jdas1 · Be great if he wins and faces Wise Dan. On Timeform ratings a cigarette paper in that. · 216 days ago ·

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DeadHeat · He reminds me a bit of Hard Spun. Can you imagine had he been born another year? Always overshadowed by Curlin and SS. Horse ran races too good to loose in both the Classic and Derby and doesn't get the respect he deserves because he never got a win at the Classic distance. Any other year he'd have been the top 3yr old by far. Exelebration is an amazing horse. It is too bad he was born in the same year as Frankel. Seems like whenever there is a mega star that there is always another horse almost just as good, but not quite good enough to beat him, ala, Alydar and Sham. · 216 days ago ·

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yukichan · Verxina can co-miserate, finishing second to Gentildonna in each of the Japan Triple Crown for fillies races. · 216 days ago ·

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rafirox · That was also a the only flaw of Alydar, being born in the same year as Affirmed. · 216 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Although at least Alydar won a few of their meetings, and even Sham finished ahead of Secretariat on one occasion. · 216 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · Does anyone know if he is going to make the trip to Santa Anita? 2 weeks rest and a 7000 mile trip could be a bit aggressive, but I would love to watch him in the states. · 216 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Definitely reminds me of Alydar and Sham, but like Brian said, at least they beat their respective nemeses at least once. Will Excelebration race next year? · 216 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · More often than not it's just a cliche to say "born in another year" about a horse. But if ever there's been a horse that phrase is true about, it's Excelebration. Born in another year, or without Frankel ever having been on planet earth, Excelebration also has wins in the G3 Greenham Stakes, G1 Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, G1 Lockinge Stakes, and G1 Queen Anne Stakes to go along with his 2 G1 wins in France in the Prix Du Moulin and Prix Jacques La Marios. The only time Excelebration didn't finish 2nd in a race won by Frankel where he was in the field was in the G1 St James's Palace Stakes in 2011, and he ended up 3rd behind Frankel and Zoffany that day. Excelebration will be a tough row to hoe for Wise Dan or Moonlight Cloud in the upcoming BC Mile, IMO. · 216 days ago ·

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theirishman12 · Surly Excelebration has a mighty chance at the breeders cup mile regardless to what happens at Ascot this saturday · 215 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · That's what we are all hoping to see over here. · 215 days ago ·

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shores · A reincarnation of Sham..... · 215 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Excelebration first class all the way in dispatching of his foes in the Queen Elizabeth II stakes! · 215 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Excelebration will go to the Breeders' Cup Mile next! · 215 days ago ·

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mattowan · Between the Ladies Classic and the Mile it should be a fabulous BC. A shame the Classic won't be as great a field. · 215 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · @BrianZipse, I thought Excelebration's win today in the QE II Stakes was one of, if not the most impressive performance on the Champions Day card. Can't wait to see Excelebration and Wise Dan go at each other in the BC Mile. But I warn those who think Wise Dan will win the BC Mile easily that Excelebration's of much higher class and ability than the horses Wise Dan's been beating in America. It's fair to say Excelebration beat Cityscape today at Ascot just as impressively as Wise Dan beat him at Woodbine, IMO. · 214 days ago ·

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