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Storm Cat - Bunting by Private Account

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New Kentucky Derby point system: Illinois Derby gets the shaft

Let’s face it, the Illinois Derby is not the strongest of preps for the Run for the Roses, but on the other hand, last time I checked it was still a Kentucky Derby prep. Not so according to the decision makers at Churchill Downs. Kind of odd for a race that I always enjoy attending and in the past d...Read More

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laura.statespoelstra · And it's not just the Illinois Derby, Brian - it's all the fillies as well. Genuine Risk only had one prep against the boys and finished third in the Wood. Sheprobably wouldn't have gotten in under the new system. CDI could have just restricted it to Grade I earnings over a mile at three and left it at that. It looks more like they're trying a new marketing approach and we'l have to see how it goes. Long gone are the days when a Canonero can come out of nowhere...and that's sad. · 338 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · It would seem that races like the Illinois Derby could be included with a reduced number of points. · 338 days ago ·

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ErnieMunick · Hawthorne shouldn't have to beg. Just keep at the product and things will work out. · 338 days ago ·

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amberflash · I like the new system - it de-emphasizes horses that peak at 2 and makes it easier for strong 3yo contenders to make the field, which is how it should be. But what is up with leaving out the Illinois Derby? Horribly unfair, I agree. Esp. looking at some of the other prep races on the trail. Why not just add it? · 338 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · With such a large point swing between 2 yr old and 3rd olds, we are going to see a lot more entries into the derby with fewer starts. We should be rewarding robustness, experience, and diversity, not just a 1 good performance in March/April. · 338 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Why pick on a dirt route like the Illinois Derby? Seems like they want dirt horses in the Derby--aren't turf races left out as well, so what was the reason for leaving out the Illinois Derby? Is wasn't always horrible. Can a race get on the list in the future f excluded in 2013? · 338 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Synthetic races were because they don't want to loose the field... Because syn horses really carry it over to dirt. · 338 days ago ·

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cpsoren121 · In concept I agree with some sort of point system, but geez keep the Illinois Derby!!! · 335 days ago ·

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amberflash · Wondering about the real reason the Illinois Derby was left out (and maybe where this point system came from in the first place)? Here's why: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-23/sports/ct-spt-0624-arlington-hawthorne--20120624_1_illinois-derby-kentucky-derby-marc-laino · 327 days ago ·

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travel_vic · one word:POLITICS, if you want to control the event LIMIT the participation...Old story. Previously the Queen's Plate did not allow Western based colts to run, same thing · 327 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · The POLITICS could have something to do with the fact that Arlington Park is under the Churchill Downs umbrella and Hawthorne is not. Because of Illinois racing dates Arlington has no chance to showcase a prep for the Derby while Hawthorne has run the Illinois Derby for years. · 327 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Travel Vic the Queen’s Plate excluding western bred horses must go back a long ways. In 1965 Whistling Sea won both the Trial and the Plate and he was bred in Calgary. · 327 days ago ·

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travel_vic · read Lou Cauz's great book The Plate:A Royal Tradition and you will discover that east coast bias. · 326 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · I remember Lou. He used to be a reporter for the Globe and Mail and had a daily racing column. I remember the book though I never read it. The bias was a long time ago, before the formation of the Jockey Club, which EP Taylor organized to govern racing in Ontario. That was when they built Woodbine and got rid of the leaky-roof circuit, tracks like Dufferin and Thorn Hill, etc., and confined racing to Fort Erie, Old Woodbine (later Greenwood), and Woodbine. · 326 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Lou is one of the true gentlemen of the game. He just retired last year from his greatest love: The Canadian Horse Racing Hall of Fame which he was the founding director. I hope they will still have a function come next season. · 326 days ago ·

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travel_vic · This August the Hall is adding Russell Baze to their gallery. Born In Vancouver many a moon ago · 326 days ago ·

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Protagonist · Yes! Illinois did get the big hard one from Eggsucking CDI, but that's nothing new as hard core horsemen will tell you CDI front side management isn't worth a shit! · 326 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · This point system sucks, it prevents Calvin Borel from winning aboard those 15 point horses like MTB. · 326 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · As for the races that get points, versus the Illinois Derby, Sunland Derby has one horse to show for its laurels. I'm not sure, but, I don't believe any Louisiana Derby winner has ever won the Ky Derby. Maybe Grindstone? But, he didn't win the La Derby. Probably the best that I can think of, might be Risen Star? Point being, Illinois Derby has had some decent colts come out of its race, yet, in a blatant political move, they're being short-changed on the Run For The Roses. · 326 days ago ·

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Protagonist · to our fellow blogger who doesn't think that the Louisiana Derby has ever produced a Kentucky Derby Winner. The answer that your seeking is, look up War Emblem of recent note and of course there is the oft forgotten Black Gold back in the early 1900's, possibly around 1920's. As for the illinois Derby , there have been numerous entries into the Kentucky Derby that have run in the Illinois Derby. IE Dragon Along , that 2006 entry that was the post time favorite ,that then came back to run second in the Preekness that year. This is all a farce on the Churchill Downs management part. go back to this years Kentucy Oaks, the beans were spilt in the winner circle presentation. Something to the effect , That everyone present there was a Kentuckian. Read between thier lines. They have failed to properly manage Calder, Arlington Park, the Fairgrounds, have all gone down hill since CDI overtook them/ took over management of them.. The only thing that they have left to quote Rhett Butler as he talked about the South in GWTW is Arrogance and Ignorance! Today in CDI's Arrogance and Ignorance they have instituted this Assanine Point system of thiers,with reguard to an International Event and an American Tradition, The Kentucky Derby! · 326 days ago ·

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Protagonist · Dragon Along ran in the 1970's around 1974-1977. The Sweetnorthersaint entry is who I was refering to concerning 2006 running of The Kentucky Derby. · 326 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Just like the diamond industry: Control the entire market and the final product has more worth · 326 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · It wasn't so much so that I never thought a La Derby horse had won the Ky Derby, as much as none had won in recent memory(going back to the '60's). I am disappointed in this point system, though. I love longshots, and Mine That Bird, Super Saver, and, Giacomo, might not have been in the race. Everybody loves longshots. Remember the movie "Hoosiers"? Underdogs. · 326 days ago ·

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travel_vic · One of the MAJOR reasons FG colts don't transition well is the track itself there: IT takes a late running colt to win in New Orleans with that long long stretch......Most of the late movers like Pyro and Sweetnoterhnsaint do not transfer too well to the Chruchill and Pimlico race courses · 326 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Grindstone won the Louisiana Derby and the Kentucky Derby. · 326 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Risen Star was probably the best of them to come out of that contest of late. On the board in the Derby after a rough trip and then Louie Roussel, with help from the Little Sisters of the Poor, garnered the final two legs and............was promptly retired.....Good splash by Red's son. · 326 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · Mike in SB, I stand corrected. I remember that Grindstone ran in the Arkansas Derby. Guess I thought he had lost the La Derby, so they tried the Ark Derby. He is one of the rare few that have won the La Derby, and then the Ky Derby. Protagonist: War Emblem did not win the Louisiana Derby. His was the Illinois Derby. · 325 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Ruffian75..The only Louisiana Derby I have gotten to see was the one that Grindstone won, I remember after he won the Kentucky Derby, a headline in the paper said...."It's By A Nose To Grindstone" · 325 days ago ·

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travel_vic · how many time has Baffert finished second in the big dance. Didn't he run second to Grdinstone? Another colt destroyed by old D. Wayne · 325 days ago ·

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ruffian75 · More like a "flaring nostril"!!!! I always felt that McCarron(who was on Cavonnier) was on cruise control late in the race, running alongside the rail to victory, when Bailey came flying on the extreme outside with Grindstone. I don't think McCarron ever saw that horse, until after the finish line. · 325 days ago ·

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Triple Frown: Charismatic 3rd; Lemon Drop Kid wins Belmont

June 07, 1999 NEW YORK (CNN/SI) -- For the third straight year a horse won the first two legs of the Triple Crown but lost the Belmont Stakes. On Saturday Lemon Drop Kid upset Charismatic's bid for history.Read More

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