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Owner(s):

Willis Sharpe Kilmer -

Trainer:

Henry McDaniel

Bred:

(FR) by Marcel Boussac - [Add Data]

Pedigree:

Sundridge - Sweet Briar by St Frusquin

Rating:

6.73/10

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Sun Briar

I am amazed that every horse in the 2008 derby was a descendant of this great sire but no one has listed him prior to this post!!!!

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cocoa2 · Talk about forgotten! · 313 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · I have a weird feeling about relating him to MOW"s time, but i have no clue why · 313 days ago ·

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buckpasser · He was born in France and was bought by Kilmer the owner of Exterminator. As a matter of fact Sun Briar was the top horse at Kilmers and Exterminatorbwas just the exercise horse for Sun briar. He was a top two yr old but was injured for the KD in which Exterminator was entered and of course won. Kilmers home in NY state was called SunBriar court. He came back and raced after being sent to stud between his three and four yr old year, but he was quite the same. Obviously Exterminator became the star of the barn though I think Kilmer always loved Sun Briar more · 313 days ago ·

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buckpasser · That should read not quite the same · 313 days ago ·

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buckpasser · I would assume why he is an ancestor of so many would have to do with Sun Beau that figures in Sword dancers pedigree and others. I know this is true with Big Brown · 313 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Ohhh thats why. Sun Briar=Exterminator=Sir Barton=Man O' War. See my connections there? lol · 313 days ago ·

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buckpasser · Well you weren't wrong. He was in that time period · 313 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · I knew he had some sort of connection to it · 313 days ago ·

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buckpasser · You know a lot more than most · 313 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · I didn't even know how he was connected. Thanks, but I don't think i know half as much as you · 313 days ago ·

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bdfont54 · Talk about influential sires, anyone who pays attention has to realize the tremendous influence of Mr Prospector especially o. the distaff side even to this day. · 313 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · Bdfont54. I don't mean to be stupid but Sun Briar is not in Mr. Prospectors pedigree, but his dam SWEET BRIAR is. She is the dam also of SunReigh who is the sire of Reigh Count and then Count Fleet who figures prominently in Mr. prospectors pedigree. Sun briar himself doesnot. I also think mike1447 made the same mistake. Sun Briar is definitely in Big Browns pedigree through Sword Dancer · 313 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Mr Prospecor re-wrote the book, however, I did a study of his get many moons back and only a little over 63% made it to the races. · 313 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · And that's where I can see his main influence · 313 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · What I think is more accurate on this thread is that all 2008 Derby contenders in some way either through Sword Dancer or Mr. prospector through Count Fleet trace back to a dam in Sweet Briar that breeding wise was the cream of Marcel Broussacs French breeding stock. Sweet briar herself only had from I can find only 4 possibly 5 named foals. So this quite an accomplisment · 313 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · TBDF. I am a lot older than you are so my knowledge of older horses that you may read about were more current to me. You have to remember that horses I saw race or saw at say Spendthrift like Nashua, Swaps etc are distance memories. For horses I followed like say Buckpasser, MOW was in the 2nd or no farther back than third generation.(Busanda Buckpasser's dam was by War Admiral). Now those horses are barely if that in a five generation pedigree · 313 days ago ·

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Sun Briar

Ironic part was that he wasn't considered that great a sire at the time nor was Sun Beau. Sun Briar actually was bred to about twenty mares between his three and four yr old seasons