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Owner(s):

Ahmad Al Falasi-M A Al Bousi

Trainer:

Marco Botti

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(IRL) by Dayton Investments LTD

Pedigree:

Danehill Dancer - Plante Rare by Giant's Causeway

Rating:

6.27/10

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Dubai World Cup More than Half Full!

Blogger Jasen Mangrum breaks down the Dubai World Cup entrants and provides his selections for the world's richest race.Read More

Posted 57 days ago ·

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Floridaf · All-star cast right here! Thanks for the insight, Jasen! Here's to big World Cup scores! · 58 days ago ·

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World Cup Favorite So You Think Draws Post Four

SO YOU THINK, favourite for the Dubai World Cup, will mount his challenge from stall four of 14 after the draw for the world's richest race was conducted on Wednesday.Read More

Source: racingpost.com · Posted 60 days ago ·

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notobsessed · What a beautiful picture of So You Think! · 60 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · So You Think might crush for the green white and orange. · 60 days ago ·

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ILuvTurfRacing · P.P.#4 is an excellent draw for So You Think given his high cruising speed and running style. He came into the BC Classic off of a grueling campaign of having just run in the G1 Irish Champion Stakes, the G1 Arc De Triomphe, and the G1 Champion Stakes at Ascot back to back to back before he even came to America for the Classic, and IMO, he was by no means disgraced in the race for a first ever run on conventional dirt. The top international turf horses have run very, very well on the tapeta surface over the past 3 seasons, and I'll expect we'll see So You Think run a much bigger race in the Dubai World Cup than he ran in the BC Classic. Being a natural turf horse, I think he'll adapt to the surface a lot better than he did conventional dirt. I look for Godolphin's Capponi to try and steal this race entirely from the front end just like he did the G1 Al Maktoum Challenge Rd. 3. The field certainly can't afford to let him get away, because he holds the Meydan track record on tapeta for the fastest 10f ever run. I think Game On Dude will have a difficult time overcoming the P.P. #14 draw. That's not a knock at him, because I know what a tenacious competitor he is. But I just think the DWC field is a good bit deeper than the field he faced in the BC Classic. JMO. · 60 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · It'll be a good race though, we are guaranteed that! · 60 days ago ·

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wantwoman100 · One of the trainer's were saying the Tapeta is really hard surface? so you think maybe it's going to be really fast.. · 59 days ago ·

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travel_vic · all of the artifial surfaces depend on how they are cared for, BUt, they are all hard · 59 days ago ·

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wantwoman100 · Travel_vic ,your right on..Got me thinking about watching and looking at Woodbine update's .There always keeping the track-up..I have to watch last weeks replay's of the Big Stake's ,i notice the track at turfway was way to loose..I will double check..and watch the replay's .. · 58 days ago ·

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larooski · Turfway has had 1 fatel breakdown in 4 months of winter racing. They know how to take care of their track. So what if it's too loose, it's super safe. They know what they're doing. · 58 days ago ·

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wantwoman100 · Larooski:I was just saying i think the track was to loose,i have to check the replay.The stuff flying up in the air more then what dirt does ,make a really differents in how a horse will perform ..I don't know Turfway Park,it sure looks beautiful..i bet Santa Anita,Aqueduct,Woodbine..It's nice to hear they take care of the track,well i hope you have a great weekend of racing.. · 58 days ago ·

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Planteur gets Dubai World Cup run

Marco Botti-trainee Planteur, always pointed to the Dubai World Cup, will now get a shot in the world’s richest race after Gitano Hernando’s defection a few days ago. That shift will allow a horse to get into the Dubai Duty Free, and early unconfirmed reports indicate that is a runner from Herman Br...Read More

Source: dubairacenight.com · Posted 66 days ago ·

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Projected 2012 Dubai World Cup Field #2

After the final main local prep for the 2012 Dubai World Cup, we provide our projected field for the $10 million race. #1 – CIRRUS DES AIGLES Trainer: Corine Barande-Barbe Estimated UAE Rating: 126 Initially after a second in a Chantilly all-weather prep, it was announced that he would aim for one o...Read More

Source: dubairacenight.com · Posted 76 days ago ·

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Goldikova chases 15th Group 1 win in Marois

Wonder-mare Goldikova pursues the 15th Group/Grade 1 of her incredible career Monday in the Jacques le Marois.Read More

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zatt · She can tie John Henry ... Go Goldikova! · 289 days ago ·

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tiznow · Goldikova is without question the greatest miler in history. a war horse, an iron horse...always shows up. I don't care if she's labeled a miler, she's one of the top horses of all time male or female. Gol Di Ko Va...Gol Di Ko Va!!! · 289 days ago ·

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KyOaksRunner · @tiznow - I'm glad to hear someone agrees with me. She is the best...I can't imagine how many will compare with her if she manages to win the Mile again. Go Goldikova! · 289 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · I also Agree she is one of a kind . An amazing horse! · 289 days ago ·

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KyOaksRunner · I forgot to mention Prix Rothschild runner up Sahpresa is also running, as well as Immortal Verse. Very strong field. · 289 days ago ·

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · I can't wait! She is the class of the world's horses right now. And I love how her connections always challenge her and don't duck anyone. · 289 days ago ·

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annmatt · She's like the Energizer bunny....she just keeps on running! She is totally amazing. Just wish those French races had English voice-overs! · 288 days ago ·

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fonnerparkfilly · Win, lose or tie Monday, Goldikova is in a class by herself. Even as great as Zarkava seemed to be, comparing a horse like Goldi to a horse who ran a total of 7 times is utterly ridiculous. In horse racing longevity and stamina determine greatness. 7 races doesn't make a great champion. Losing doesn't prevent a champion from being great. You are great Goldikova, kick ass on Monday. · 287 days ago ·

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footlick · fonnerparkfilly- and running 7 times does not disqualify a horse from greatness either. Have you ever watched Zarkava's races? Do you realize she was a two year old champion, a three year old champion and a Cartier HOY? You are really going to say she was not a champion nor was she great? Soumillon never uncocked his whip in any of her races, not even the Arc where she rallied from 17th after a rough race being stuck on the rail most of the way. She broke from the #1 post. Research and find out how long it had been that a horse won from that post. She totally dominated Goldikova and every other horse she ran against. The number of starts a horse has made does not make them great. The horse itself makes him or herself great. If you cannot see how great Zarkava was then I feel sorry for you. Goldikova couldn't even warm her up. It took Goldikova two more full years of racing to reach Zarkava's timeform rating. Zarkava easily beat Goldikova at Goldikova's distance in the Puoliches. Where does it say a horse has to make a certain amount of starts before it is considered great? Has Goldikova ever run in a race with the collective strength of competition of the Arc? Zarkava was great and a true champion. Too bad you can't appreciate her. Maybe dubby30 would like to add more? Love Goldikova all you want, she is a great horse. But don't try to tear down a true champion to do it because of the amount of races won. That is ridiculous. · 287 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Great post Footlick and I totally agree. Zarkava was on a different plane IMO when comparing the two. Other greats haven’t had lengthily careers. Sea-Bird the No. 1 Time Form rating all time at 145 raced 8 times with 7 wins. Tudor Minstrel, tied for 2nd on the Time Form rating with 144 raced 10 times with 8 wins, and Dancing brave tied for 8th on the time Form rating all time with a 140 raced 10 times with 8 wins. Goldikova never raced against competition as deep in talent as these horses competed against nor at the distances either. · 287 days ago ·

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footlick · Thanks Laz. It just amazes me that Zarkava can be so summarily dismissed because she ran 7 times. Absurd. Thanks for posting the info onthe other "sparingly" raced horses. I'm sure someone will comment and refute their greatness also because of the amount of starts they had. · 287 days ago ·

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fonnerparkfilly · WHY is longevity and stamina markers when determining greatness in a thoroughbred? I'll tell you why. Even the fastest, most talented horses who are seemingly "invincible" can only truely be tested by father time. First of all, "greatness" has many faces. Not all great thoroughbreds are created equal. Good horses can run great unforgetable races and great ones can lose races without losing heart. Zarkava was no doubt a great horse during her time on the track. How long she could've continued to shine, we'll never know. Some horses have had phenominal periods in their careers only to come up short later. Rachel Alexander 2009 for an example. Thoroughbreds get tired, body sore, and burned out. To overcome these things is a test of a true champion. For a champion who retires after only 7 races, it's not even an issue. I see stamina and physical endurance as being markers for greatness also. Ruffian was great, but she was a "paper doll". She broke down and left her life on the track as many other have. The fact that Goldikova is still in one piece is unmeasurable in value. How long would Zarkava have run without succumbing to physical problems? We'll never know, a champion who graced the track 7 times with her presence leaves too many unanswered questions. We know what Goldikova is made of, she's not a mystery, she's a marvel. · 287 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · fonnerparkfilly: While I don't necessarily agree with your last post I admire the fact that you not only made a case for your prior thread but were passionate about it while remaining civil, something I have to work on. Have a nice day · 287 days ago ·

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footlick · fonnerparkfilly- first, calling Ruffian a "paper doll" is sad. If you have ever read about her you would know she was a tough filly. Her leg snapped because she hit her shoulder on the starting gate at the beginning of the match race. It torqued her leg, which when put to extreme physical pressure snapped. Second, I am not going to go back and forth about Zarkava. You go head and believe Zarkava was only a mystery. I will remember that Goldikova was not in her league. You believe what you want about Zarkava and the other greats who have not run as much as Goldikova. I'm glad you are so passionate about her. Have a great time posting. · 287 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · footlick : That is really interesting as I always accepted the explanation she was soft boned and it would have happened eventually. · 287 days ago ·

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footlick · I'm only going by what her trainer was quoted as saying after they found out that she suffered a hairline fracture in the Spinaway. She was high spirited and considered more colt-like than feminine, if I remember correctly. But I could be remembering wrong, I guess. She won the Spinaway in 1:08 that day I believe, just to bring an example of her speed. I think she was hard-running as most speed horses are. As fast as she ran, if she was soft-boned, I doubt she would have survived racing as long as she did. Then it is generally accepted that the injury that eventually snapped her leg happened because of the starting gate incident. · 287 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · based on what your saying and your memory which I trust more than "google" as things get twisted I'll have to re-evaluate this filly. your right though she ran 1st quarters in the 21:. change category so as you say it should have happened then. ty · 286 days ago ·

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footlick · I knew she came out of the Spinaway with a hairline fracture, but had to look up the time. I also read that she popped a splint in the race with Hot N Nasty, was it the Sorority??? Maybe that was why the race was closer than her others. · 286 days ago ·

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fonnerparkfilly · I used the term "paper doll" in reference to Ruffian, but meant no disrespect, perhaps a poor choice of words. She was great, and no doubt tough, but nevertheless succumbed to injury. Do you realize how many good horses and potentially great ones meet their demise by way of injuries? The list is a long one, I assure you. That fact only makes thoroughbreds like Goldi all the more special. The only point I was trying to get across was that time is a marker in determining how great a horse really is. That's not intended to take anything away from champions like Zarkava. I'm just saying, don't underestimate how much father time can wear down a horse and be a game changer. · 286 days ago ·

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footlick · I don't underestimate it at all. But I also realize that a horse can be greater even with only 7 starts. Time is one of many things to evaluate, but it cannot be the trump. Many Euros were sad that the Aga Khan retired Zarkava because they believed she would have become the highest weighted filly/mare of all time. But it didn't happen and they weren't surprised as he liokes to get his bloodstock inthe breeding shed as soon as possible. He breeds his own thoroughbreds and usually retires his Arc winners. But, the Euros have not reduced her greatness because of it. They love Goldikova's durability and longevity, but they knew they were watching something extremely special with Zarkava. All I am saying is that you cannot pemnalize a horse for runnoing only 7 races. It does not take away the greatness of the animal. On the paper doll comment, I assumed that you did not mean disrespect. I should not have commented on it and I apologize for that. I should have just let that go. · 286 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · I don’t really know what farther time has to do with greatness. The ability to rise to the occasion in dominating fashion is what does it for me. Jean Cruguet who rode the great Seattle Slew through his Triple Crown victories, the same Seattle Slew who is in everyone’s top ten of the greatest N/A race horses all time, said that the best horse he ever rode was Hoist the Flag, a brilliant 2 year old that broke down just before his TC quest, and Hoist the Flag only ran 6 times, winning all six but being DQ’d from an easy victory in the Champagne………When Zarkava totally dominated Goldikova in the French 1000 Guineas and again in the French Oaks, they were both fillies 4th and 5th lifetime starts. She won those races with consummate ease, as easy as she won every other race in her brilliant, one for the ages, career. In her sixth race, the Prix Vermeille, she was left at the gate and was at least ten lengths behind the next horse before starting her run. She won the 12F race easy by 2 lengths in 2.26, tying the stakes record. In the Arc she once again trailed before making her run and winning by 2 lengths, the first filly to win the race in 15 years, and this against a very tough field. Her owner, the Aga Khan whose family was steeped in race tradition and who owned many of the world’s best race horses including Sinndar, Dalakhani, Daylami, Shahrastani, Blushing Groom and, Shergar, and whose family has won dozens of English and European Classic races, stated that Zarkava represented the pinnacle in his family’s 90 year in horse racing……….As for Ruffian, her record and her reputation and the esteem with which many old-timers hold her says it all. Her injury wasn’t a normal breakdown as she hit the gate, which started a sort of chain reaction that lead to her demise. Her total dominance, fast and powerful stride and her rare cruising abilities are what set her apart from most of the top fillies/mares. · 286 days ago ·

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footlick · Laz- nice post. I guess I am just amazed at how people just summarily dismiss Zarkava. Also, another horse in the Hoist the Flag category, imo, was Graustark. · 286 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Hey Footlick……..I really enjoyed the way you tried to explain just how great Zarkava was. I still have a hard time accepting her Time Form Rating of 133, especially when All Along is rated at 135 along with Dahlia, Black Cavier and Peebles, all of whom are great, but are and were they better than Zarkava. People rave about Rachel Alexandra winning a G1 route race against older G1 males at three. What Zarkava did was significantly more difficult……a three year old filly defeating salty Group One males three and up in the Arc at 1 5/8 miles. This seems to be lost on many fans and like you, I don’t understand why. That’s horse racing I guess………………Graustark was another great one that unfortunately didn’t race long enough to move way up in that top 15 or 20 list where he certainly belongs. Wasn’t it you that said that his jockey Braulio Baeza, also the regular jockey of Buckpasser, considered Graustark the best horse he had ever ridden? · 285 days ago ·

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footlick · Laz- you would really need to research the ratings that those females had at 3 to make a valid comparison. Remember it took Goldikova two more years of racing before she achieved the same timeform rating. I feel it could have been stronger, but they have to weigh it in context of the other horses in the race and the weight that she carried also. Her raw rating was 127, I believe, and then they upped it because of her trip and the ease that she won. As far as Baeza, he said did say Graustark was the best horse he ever rode. But I thought you mentioned it first to me???? · 285 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Graustark 3yo 1966-His Majesty 3yo 1971 who were full brothers would have face Buckpasser and Hoist The Flag respectively. Only Buckpasser and His Majesty remained sound (somewhat). Except for injuries anyone of these four were potential triple crown winners · 285 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · The reason I mention Graustark and His Majesty was as they were both sons of the great Ribot. Sorry for the omission. · 285 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Footlick……….I was thinking the same myself about Zarkava that if she had raced longer, especially at four, that she would probably have gained a higher Time Form number…….I’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for Pebbles. I remember her BC Turf win in 1985, a tremendous run from the back of the pack and getting the 12F in 2.27 while smashing Aqueduct’s track record for the distance. Along with Miss Alleged, they are the only two fillies to win this race. That year Pebbles defeated males four times in stakes, three of them in Group One/G1, including defeating the Arc winner Rainbow Quest…….I was lucky enough to see All Along and Dahlia is person. Both had devastating runs from well back and tremendous bursts of speed. All Along defeated males five times in her career and in a span from Oct 2-83 to Nov 12-83 she won the 12F Arc in France, the 13F Rothman’s (Canadian) International in Canada, the 12F Turf Classic at Aqueduct and the 12F DC International at Laurel, four of the toughest races in the world in a six week span with the last three on tiring yielding tracks, and she won them by an average of just under 4 lengths……Dahlia defeated males eleven times including nine in Group One-G1 stakes. She was voted No. 50 on the Bloodhorse top 100, which puts her at fifth best filly-mare and the highest filly-mare rating on grass. · 285 days ago ·

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timgsmith10 · 7 races really isnt a long enough career to proclaim her so fantastic. Who knows she may have been like R.A take time off and struggle the following year? · 285 days ago ·

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KyOaksRunner · In this age of racing it's hard to compare careers that are so drastically different from each other. Goldikova excells at 1 mile and Zarkava loved a "route" race. Longervity shouldn't determine greatness, it should only help define it if it's already in the horse. Zarkava was great and didn't need a long career to prove it, if she had continued racing who knows how great she could have been, but her stats are incredible as they stand now. Goldikova is great and has proven that many times over the course of five years worth of racing. · 285 days ago ·

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footlick · KyOaksRunner- Zarkava excelled at any distance she ran as evidence by her stakes record she set in the Pouliches at 1 mile. But thank you for recognizing her greatness. · 285 days ago ·

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Royal Ascot---Spotlight on Day 2

The Royal Ascot debut of So You Think highlights the action of day 2.Read More

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xMystix · Being trained under Aidan O'Brien, winning a Group One last time time out in good fashion, and the Prince of Wales Stakes being a seven horse field, I expect this horse to do relatively well tomorrow. · 348 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · I've been waiting for So You Think to face some top class competition in Europe ... tomorrow, he gets the chance. · 348 days ago ·

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xMystix · Agreed! It's going to be interesting to see him prove his worth tomorrow. Royal Ascot definitely provides exciting entertainment :). · 348 days ago ·

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Workforce to Miss Royal Ascot

WORKFORCE is set to miss Royal Ascot and what promised to be an intriguing head-to-head with former Australian star So You Think in next Wednesday's Prince of Wales's Stakes.Royal Ascot remained a possibility for the 2010 Derby winner after he made a winning reappearance at Sandown 13 days ago, but ...Read More

Source: racingpost.com · Posted 354 days ago ·

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medlocke · Workforce isn't missing the Prince of Wales's Stakes at Royal-Ascot. Sir Michael Stoute is dodging So You Think like the plague over 10f. You'll excuse me while I laugh at Horseracingnation.com having Animal Kingdom and Havre De Grace rated higher in their power rating's that So You Think or Black Caviar!! LOL. Black Caviar's the #1 rated sprinter in the world, still unbeaten. So You Think is the best middle distance turf horse in the world. Only out of the $$$ one time in his career, and a 6-time G1 winner. Animal Kingdom or Havre De Grace couldn't come within 5 length's of So You Think, on any surface!! · 353 days ago ·

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Behkabad wins Grand Prix de Paris

BEHKABAD made the most of a prominent position to deny Planteur in the Grand Prix De Paris, giving trainer Jean-Claude Rouget and jockey Gerald Mosse their second successes in the Group 1 race. Derby fourth Jan Vermeer finished third. The Aga Khan-owned colt was reversing Prix Du Jockey Club form wi...Read More

Source: racingpost.com · Posted 682 days ago ·

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Planteur in the Grand Prix de Paris?

On Wednesday, Aidan O Brien unleashes Jan Vermeer on Longchamp in the Group 1 Grand Prix de Paris. Normally a classy individual is required to win this race and one who relishes the 1m 4f distance. With that in mind, and taking into account my large sway of Jan Vermeer in the Epsom Derby, I'm unsure...Read More

Source: zattinternational.blogspot.com · Posted 684 days ago ·

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