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Musket Man

6 year old Horse | Retired

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Owner(s):

Vic Carlson - Eric Fein -

Trainer:

Derek S. Ryan

Bred:

Kentucky (USA) by Jim E. Nelson - Sergio De Sousa - [Add Data]

Pedigree:

Yonaguska - Fortuesque by Fortunate Prospect

Rating:

7.30/10


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Tuning Up at Tampa Bay Downs

Tampa Bay Downs has long been known as the only Thoroughbred racetrack on the Gulf Coast and has had a rather colorful history. It features a one mile dirt oval and a seven furlong turf course. The track first opened in 1926 under the name Tampa Downs. In 1943, the United States Army took over the t...Read More

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travel_vic · new announcer is much better than his predicessor. · 48 days ago ·

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Floridaf · Great preview, Ashley ... I visited Tampa Bay Downs for the first time for Tampa Bay Derby week, and I absolutely loved the place! · 48 days ago ·

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travel_vic · and they have MahGO too · 48 days ago ·

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Generals85 · Great track, one of the best atmospheres in American racing · 47 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · Thanks for the holiday card, Ashley! · 46 days ago ·

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warrena · gulfstream park Frank S. trying toi run Quater Horse racing ...this is bad...Magna is bad for racing...look what has happend to Gulfstream park BAD · 46 days ago ·

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Cardly Knot · Please bring back Richard Grunder, former announcer. He had that old school tone that grew on you. Unless he retired??? · 46 days ago ·

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travel_vic · the only thing that the former announcer had GROW on me was cringes, belly laughs and WHAT DID HE SAY? · 45 days ago ·

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Cardly Knot · new announcer sux. you must enjoy pizza w/out beer too! · 45 days ago ·

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boxersdaddy · ......And it seems to be a deep, sandy, slow dirt track. · 45 days ago ·

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travel_vic · slow? not really · 44 days ago ·

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travel_vic · want a slow track? visit Laurel or on some days at the synthetics · 44 days ago ·

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Cardly Knot · Ask and thou shall recieve. Happy travels, Vic:) http://www.drf.com/news/tampa-bay-announcer-richard-grunder-returns-booth · 44 days ago ·

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driveon · The old announcer is terrible - especially his call of "and the last horse away is...". I'll mute him. · 44 days ago ·

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A Breeders' Cup Classic Upset: Blame edges Zenyatta

Zenyatta! Going into the 2010 Breeders’ Cup at Churchill Downs on Nov. 5 and 6, you would have thought Zenyatta was the only horse participating in the races... Read More

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zatt · One of the most thrilling races I have ever seen. My pick Blame may have won the race, but all I could think afterwards was how gallant and magnificent Zenyatta was. Wonderful piece, Rick! · 104 days ago ·

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travel_vic · If Smith could do it over, he would have stayed much closer to that field....Far far too far back and had to steady in the move whiich was enough at the wire to cost her · 104 days ago ·

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AndyScoggin · I have always maintained that Zenyatta fell so far behind because she was so distracted by the new situation: it was dark and under the lights, dirt track, huge crowd. Down the stretch for the first time she was throwing her head, looking around, and when she finally settled down she ran like crazy, but Blame was not giving up at the end. · 103 days ago ·

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Protagonist · travel vic: you have said it the best so far, from the armchair quarterback position that many of us have ,it appeared that Zenyatta was in a totally diffeerent race for most of it that the rest of the field.Someone else at Churchill Downs must have been giving the orders that day. What with what happened with Life at Ten, the way Underwood,now refered to as the undertaker in Indian Charle,going after State Steward John Vietch. When it was Johns fault at All, He is up in the Stewards Box ,Whgo was the State Veterinarian on duty on the Track, Why did Johnny V, not say hey my mount isn't acting correctly,etc. Then with Mike taking back for to long and to far? Something else was at play on Breeders Cup Day last Year and the majority of us Will Never be given the Honest Answer, Because If I've learned anything in these past 7 months while here is this CHURCHILL DOWNS thinks that it is the Colonel Jessup in " A Few Good Men " and that the General Public isn't entitled to the truth. People ,Fans don't blame the horsemen for this fiasco, we want the Truth As well and are being also deprived of it! " A Few Go od Men" · 103 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · In that one race alone she validated her greatnes. Very nice article on a truly great horse who I feel will be thought of far better as time goes on · 103 days ago ·

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RaTalk_Girl · It was amazing to watch and what a great read. Thanks for the reminder of what we witnessed last year...not sure I will ever see anything like that again. · 103 days ago ·

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · Thank you for writing this. It was great to relive it. What a race! · 103 days ago ·

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · It seems to me that the reason Zen was so far behind was because she struggled so much with the track. When she ran by us the first time, her head was bobbing like crazy. I have listened to an interview with Mike Smith and he said that he considered pulling her up because he was afraid she was hurt. It did not help her at all that she was stopped - literally - by Quality Road at the top of the stretch. But all that said, Blame ran a great race. · 103 days ago ·

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luvzenyatta · Beautiful story, beautiful picture, beautiful Zenyatta · 103 days ago ·

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getthefacts · HA what a crock!! · 103 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · ICY hit it the nail on the head as well as the author. In that lone defeat in her career Zenyatta did validate her greatness. A filly for the ages and it'll probably take another 30 years or so until we see one we could call her equal.Very well done. · 103 days ago ·

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Armada · Fantastic article about a stellar horse. Wont see another like her in a long, long time... if ever. That last stretch run of hers was mesmerizing. · 103 days ago ·

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getthefacts · How right I hope you are LAZ. I could go without seeing another overhyped mule (AKA Zenyatta) for the next 30 years at least. · 103 days ago ·

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Bluegrass · Thank you for the kind words everyone. They are very much appreciated. (Even you getthefacts, as you are also entitled to your own opinion, too.) I never got to see her race live, but the two times I did get to see her - at the barn before the Classic and at Keeneland on that cold, snowy night, are memories I'll enjoy for the rest of my life. She was definitely one of the great ones. · 103 days ago ·

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annmatt · Beautifully done, Rick. A commenter at a blog said it best for me, in part (I have his permission to use his words): “This race will never be about how Blame won. It will always be about how Zenyatta lost. She fought the travel, the media frenzy, the dirt track, the bad start, the 20 lengths down and still only lost by a nose. The other horse had the perfect race. No problems, just had to hold on and not get tracked down. One lost stride for perfection. What we learned today is not about our hearts being broken but about the heart of a Champion we grew to love. Who had no chance at all and just about pulled it off. Her critics who said she couldn't run on dirt saw that she did the same thing she always had done. Even with the worst of odds this time. It took all odds against her and a perfect race to beat her. Don't you hate it when someone lucks out and doesn't have to answer for being wrong? Today in this sports moment we lost perfection but we gained greatness. It's about what we call in sports of having the heart to overcome impossible odds and not so much about winning but to give it your all and giving it your best. We should all remember this day for Zenyatta never giving up and giving it all she had. Again one lost stride for perfection. But the heart that made her the Greatest Filly of all Time.” Amen! · 103 days ago ·

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annmatt · I do have a P.S.: I will be forever grateful for the graciousnes of Garrett Gomez, who stood in his saddle and saluted Zenyatta twice! Class shows. He recently has ridden a couple of the Moss' horses! Blame's trainer also was very complimentary and how lucky they were! The other member of that group, however, did a complete disservice to a fine family dynasty with his crass remarks. His was really the great opportunity missed to be magnanimous and gentlemanly, as his "breeding" suggests he should have been. No matter, the split screen at the HOY awards were worth a thousand words when they announced the winner!! Zenyatta! Yes!! · 103 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Nice Fable Annmatt maybe they can make it into a nice Disney special with talking horses and everything. · 103 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I agree with annmatt and Facts. Mr.Seth should play himself in the movie, which I will go see--it will be great--as no one else will be able to say, "The Mare", as he did. The woman who was the voice for Bambi's mom should also be the voice of Zenyatta. That's the voice I give her when I read her diary. · 103 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · Great thought about the Disney Movie FACTS. Maybe you could play the cousin to Eddie Murphy’s character in Shrek, Donkey I believe it was, only in this case we could name the cousin Jack-Ass. Maybe we could even get a part for your friend and call it the Wicked Witch of California. · 103 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Laz, okay, minor lol to that. I do think this year's BCC finish could be the material for a movie itself. With rain in the forecast, and both Mo and HDG just coming off wins in the mud, there might be another male-female 1-2 finish, except with a length of the stretch battle as opposed to just meeting at the wire. · 103 days ago ·

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zenyatta mondatta · Getthefacts, I believe you are the only "Crock" around here. Zenyatta will be famous from here on out, get used to it. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · LOLOLOL, so an animated feature it is. Her and her connection were always such cartoons anyways. Zenyatta is remembered by fewer and fewer each day. Give it 4 - 5 years the avg person wont know who the hell she was. · 102 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · The "average person" doesn't know that much about horse racing anyway. They may even ask if Secretariat will be in the BCC this year--just say yes, it's easier. Zenyatta will not be forgotten by racing fans, whichever way you take that. At least don't be silly. You know how I feel about boring. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Ohh Mary even I think you know she will be remembered by far fewer in just a few short year. And BTW she is no Secretariat, she wont even me remembered as to the level of Onion in a few years time, IMO. · 102 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · IYO. And BTW, I wasn't comparing any horse to Secretariat. I have my own story about Onion. I won't forget him, ever. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · LAZ, I would like to ask you a quick question. In all seriousness, if HDG is to go on and win the BCC in a faster time or more dominating performance, will you consider her in the same light as Zenyatta? · 102 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · FACTS. In answer to your question, NO!!! Seriously, not even close. · 102 days ago ·

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LAZMANNICK · FACTS. First of all, who has HDG beaten that can even be called an Eclipse award winner other than Blind Luck? She beat Blind Luck emphatically in the Azeri when rested and Blind Luck was tired after a busy schedule, miles of traveling and not at her bet. She beat her by a dwindling neck in the Cotillion when receiving 10 Lbs. Blind Luck was 6 1/2L behind her at the ¾’s in the BC Distaff and finished almost two lengths in front of her. Blind Luck might be good, but she also had her bad days. Twice at 10F HDG couldn’t get the job done after having the lead in the stretch and being caught and passed by Blind Luck. Other than Blind Luck, what really tough filly or mare did she ever beat? As for the males she beat in the Woodward, only Flat Out is considered good enough to enter the BCC and when she beat him he wasn’t even a G1 winner and he was gaining on her in the stretch. The other males were second tier. The males she will face in the BCC are an interesting bunch, but most haven’t really proven anything. Uncle Mo is possibly great, but still has to prove it and at a distance he is supposedly suspect at. So You Think is all class, but that’s on turf and he’s lost his last two when heavily bet. The three year olds haven’t really done much against older horses other than Mo in the Kelso and I believe THAS in an allowance at Saratoga. Game On Dude has been good, but on the west coast and he has also lost two G3 races this year. Only Mo has ever won an Eclipse and that was at two. Now Zenyatta, without going on too much about her accomplishments, has won a BC Distaff, a BCC and finished 2nd in a BCC by a head when finishing faster than every other horse in the race. She has defeated multiple Eclipse award winners of multiple G1 and Group One races. IMO, the field in this year’s BCC, with maybe the exception of Mo and So You Think, would all be at long odds in the past two BCC’s and would not have made the top three in either and I’m including HDG. The time in this race will be irrelevant and it won’t matter how dominating the performance because this is not close to being a top class BCC, probably ranking in the bottom five IMO. Ask yourself, how would HDG have competed against the top filly groups in the 90’s. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · I would say Switch was a quality horse she beat, as well as Awesome Maria, and Royal Delta who has a great shot at winning the BCLC this year, as well as finding her way onto the Eclipse ballot. I also point out that HDG did already run a faster Apple Blossom than Zenyatta in 08. Couldn't compare last years because of the distance difference. While the Woodward field was weak, it was stronger than any field Zenyatta faced prior to the BCC in 2009 or 2010. She will be facing 6 horses in the classic who have won 1 1/4 races and all of them doing so this year. 5 of them on actual dirt. If Gio Pointi were to opt and run in the Classic that would be 7 who have won at the distance. Last year Zenyatta faced 2 horses who ever won the distance and 1 only did so on turf. "IF" Grace wins as I said. She will also have defeated the likely 3 yo Eclipse Champion, the 2 yo chamioon from last year, The likely turf award winner, and then possibly Gio Ponti who is a multiple Eclipse winner himself. What about last years classic makes you think it wasn't possibly the worst ever? Just because it featured Zenyatta? Who lost to a horse who had not previously won a race at the distance and looked awful in his only attempt at it leading up to the Classic. Did you really think QR, Haynesfield, Espoir City, Fly Down, Musket Man, LAL, Pleasant Prince really make a strong contingent of horses for a classic race? Granted if they were going 8.5 or 9 furlongs things could have gotten interesting but hell, she was the most proven horse in the field, given a weight allowance, bred for distance and still lost. And to a horse who really didn't prove shit previous to that. If you really compare them this race set ups very similar to the 2009 Classic. Your most proven horse is a turf horse much like Gio Ponti and Twice Over were, You have a handful of horses who have posted wins going the distance on both fields. However, none of them were really stand outs in either. Summer Bird was a little more proven than Stay thirsty, but thas was on Dirt, which left the lingering question could he handle synthetics. Much like we have the question about MO and distance. Although, Only 3 horses in that race had ran a 1 1/4 on synthetics, and only about half had ever ran on synthetics at all. All but one facing HDG this year have actually raced and won on dirt. When I asked myself your question, I did honestly have to say probably better than Zenyatta as synthetics weren't really around for her yet. · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · Rick, I'll add a couple more comments from experts that were floored by Zenyatta performance in the 2010 Classic..."For her to do what she did, I put her on a higher plateau than before," says Steve Haskin, senior correspondent for The Blood-Horse who's covered the sport for four decades. "She's (Zenyatta) the greatest filly I've ever seen. She may be the greatest of all time." http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/breeders/2010-11-07-zenyatta-impresses_N.htm · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · This is taken from Steve Bailey of the Thoroughbred Times..."I had the unique opportunity on Sunday (the day after the Classic) to get a glimpse of how Zenyatta and the Breeders' Cup Classic were viewed and digested by someone who, as they say, does not have a dog in the fight. For more than four decades, Australian form analyst Peter Ellis has traveled the globe breaking down meetings, walking courses, and witnessing some of the greatest horses and races around the world. Ellis was at Churchill Downs Friday and Saturday for the Breeders' Cup World Championships and, on Sunday, spoke to a radio audience of hundreds of thousands back home in Australia about what he had seen. I was completely taken off guard by what came out of his mouth. 'I've been doing this for more than 40 years, and I can tell you that (Zenyatta's) performance was the greatest that I've ever seen by a horse that did not win the race,' he told the host. 'Some people will say that she shouldn't be named Horse of the Year because she didn't win. I would argue that her performance in defeat was much better than her winning effort a year earlier and should guarantee that she is named Horse of the Year. She was sqeezed out of the gate, forcing the jockey to check up a bit, then spent several hundred meters in a storm of kickback; that's why she dropped back so far', Ellis said. 'On the backstretch, she got behind 20 to 25 lengths and I'm not sure anyone thought she had any business even catching up to that field much less getting back in the race. The fact that she was able to make up that much ground on a track that deep and cuppy and give herself a chance to get up and win it in the last strides is one of the most impressive efforts I have seen on a racetrack. Blame ran a great race; you can't take anything away from him. He is a fantastic horse. But would he have been able to do the same? Zenyatta was the best horse on that racetrack, as she was in all of her previous 19 starts. By definition, isn't that what Horse of the Year is? Some people are going to argue that the horse that wins the Breeders' Cup Classic against the toughest field of the year should get the Horse of the Year, right? It didn't work out that way last year, did it?' · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · Ellis also said he was struck by the way Zenyatta captured the hearts of racing fans and non-racing fans not only in the U.S. but all over the world. 'I have never seen a horse that touched people and brought them together like this one,' he said. 'She seems to connect with people unlike any horse I have ever seen; even people who don't follow racing at all. I rang a friend in Queensland after the races and he told me that his wife was extremely upset that Zenyatta had lost. These people do not follow American racing a lick, but they tuned in to see Zenyatta. Racing in America is not always seen in such a positive light in others parts of the world, but here is a champion and a story that people around the world are captivated and touched by. I don't think people are going to realize just how special she is until she's gone because there will not be another one like her.' When the radio interview was over, I told Ellis that I doubted that Zenyatta would be named Horse of the Year based upon many of the pre-Classic writings by some of the sport's most well-known Turf writers. He smiled. 'That's the thing,' he said. 'It doesn't matter if she's Horse of the Year or not. She's THE horse of the last 40 years. Which one do you think people are going to remember?' http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/racing-zenyatta-horse-of-the-year-debate.aspx. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and the Fable grows and grows and grows. I bet in the movie she gets behind about 50 lengths. Which I am still not sure how they will make it the slightist bit relevant as to how she did it. Seeing as how everyhorse that was on the lead fell back on it's own. Everyhorse who was behind them finished ahead of them. Then you say Zenyatta was farther bac than normal, well so was Blame. Usualy in his races Blame stalked much closer than he did in the Classic. If your going to go with the lie that Zenyatta fell back about 20 then you would have to say Blame was back about 15, as she never sat more than 5 lengths from him at any point. And he was the only horse she really had to be concerned with catching as he was the winner. I love they Claim she was squeezed out of the gate now too. She could have stepped over those horses had she chosen she was a beast compared to them, come on you can do better than that BS. · 102 days ago ·

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4everZenyatta · So, I have just read through some of these comments, the praises and the bashes. Every word. And I would just like to tell anyone who is trying to agrue with getthefacts, give it a rest. These Zenyatta bashers come up with lies apon lies just to prove us wrong. To them, it doesn't matter that Zenyatta won HoY or became the first female to win the BCC, it just matters that she was better than their favorite horse. getthefacts, the way that you find it is necessary to insult all of us, as well as the magnificent animal that is Zenyatta, is juvenile and ridiculous. Writing 'ha' in capitals over twenty-five times really isn't fazing any of us. Yes, we understand you find NYV's cold-hard facts hilarious, we could have udnerstand that from two or three 'ha's. Truly, most of the people that read your comments will think of them an immature. And if they dropped her back 50 lengths in a movie, it would be inaccurate and horse racing fans would chew the directors out for it, let alone Zenyatta's hard core fans, who would murder them if they got her blaze shape wrong. And if you are trynig to claim that Zenyatta was within 5 lengths of Blame through out the classic, that is one of the biggest pieces of bull shit I have ever read. First off, Blame was steadily in 4th-5th place during the race. Second, Through out almost half of the race, Zenyatta was at least 5-10 lengths off the LAST HORSE. She was uncomfortable with the track conditions and the lights, as well as the amount of kickback in her face. It also didn't help that Quality Road's jockey allowed QR to drop back so fast Smith almost had to stop Zenyatta. That was uncalled for and could have injured her and her jockey. I will never underestimate Zenyatta's haters. You people are dispicable. How can you say that she did nothing? She raced in graded/stakes company in almost every single race. getthefacts, you took it to a new low, calling such a magnificent animal an overrated mule. How dare you? You seem to lvoe Havre de Grace, well how would you feel if I called her an overrated mule? I belive that you would come back with multiple curses and try to tear me down. But I know that Havre de Grace is a classy mare with an wicked ability to run and she is not overrated by most. Majority of the people I have seen have said that she is a great mare, but not the greatest. That is true. I do not believe that she could have ever beaten Zenyatta. And I don't give a shit about whether you do. Zenyatta will be remeber for more than 5 years, you ignoramus. She will be remebered just as much as Cigar, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, or Rachel Alexandra. And if you try to counter that they won't, then I would like to ask why people will remeber Blame? They will remember him because of one race, one nose, because of one horse. Zenyatta. I used to have a particular hate coarsing through my veins for Garret Gomez, part of me still does, but when he saluted Zenyatta and it was said that he conforted Smith after the race, some of it left me. But the Hancocks, I would like to agree with whoever said this before me, they disgraced themselves by the way they spoke of Zenyatta. They acted as if she was nothing. I will never look at them the same way again. Anyway, off topic. getthefatcs, I would like to say that you gave me quite the laugh today as I read your ridiculous comments. My fiance did as well when I showed him, so for that, I thank you. And when you respond to this, using my username as a bash against me, pointing out all of me 'false' information, and using obnoxious juvenile 'insults', I'm sure we will laugh just as hard, if not harder, than we did this morning. So with ym first and last comment on this thread, I would like to thank the author of the piece for writing such a beautiful piece on one of the greatest racemares on Earth. Good-day to all, and enjoy the races. · 102 days ago ·

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4everZenyatta · I am sorry, I need to correct something in ym previous post, I said that SMith had to stop Zenyatta, I meant he almost had to, I know he didn't actually stop her. Thank you for understanding ;) · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · You must have seen a different Classic, I think you may be the first person who has actually been crazy enough to say Blame ran 4th and 5th for most of the race. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Etched sat in 5th until the turn and Haynesfield ran 4th but nice try. LOLOLOLOL As far as QR, thats just another hiliariously ridiculous excuse her loyalist try to make people believe happen to justify why she lost, instead of just saying she met a horse who was better at the time. She raced in graded stakes and company, really? What grade 1 horse did she defeat or compete against in 2010 until the classic? Maybe you know some the rest of us don't? As far as HDG goes, I don't really care much either way. I think shes a fine horse, better than Zenyatta on dirt. But far from a favorite or what I would consider great. I hope you and your finace did get a good rouse out of this, I know I a sure am so I hope others can feel half of the enjoyment I am getting from it. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Maybe you can asnwer this for me, if you feel my comments are so horrible, false, comical, juvenille, and ridiculous as you said. Then why do you read and post on them? · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · ohh and before you try and say Blame ran 6th, no that Was LAL, who by the way was called by Durkin as being 10 back from the leaders, then you have Blame who sat about 2 more off of him. You may be right about Zenyatta sitting 5 off of Blame being total bullshit. After watching it appears she sat even closer around like 4 - 5 lengths, so thanks for clearing that up. And just for you I will say again over her career she did a lot of nothing. The horses she did beat were mostley dirt/turf horses who had to come face her on synthetics. Or sprinters who had to face her at longer distances. The few grade 1 synthetic runners she actually did defeat, were a joke, and proved to need multiple, multiple attempts over the surface to score a single win on it. She raced twice in open company, losing once to an absolute joke field when she had a weight advantage, while being the reigning Classic Champion, and supposed "best router" in the field. So ya that makes me think shes about as good as a MULE. HEE HAW HEE HAW · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · I wasn't really sure anyone conforted (I think you meant comforted) after the race as he was wailing to hard. lolol. That image, coupled with the Moss's expressions and Shireff walking off trying to avoid cameras and people, was like Christmas for me. · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · facts - take your comments to Peter · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · excuse me, take your comments to Peter Ellis. I'm sure he would love to hear from you. And also Steve Haskin. · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · facts - Durkin didn't call the race. Trevor Denman did. · 102 days ago ·

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New York Vinnie · facts - it was Jerry and Ann Moss along with John Shirreffs that brought out Zenyatta to the public on Sunday morning for one last viewing. But what I understand cars were lined up four deep along the four lane thoroughfare trying to get a glimpse of her. Members of the media were astonishing by the grace handled by her connections. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Yes you are right Vinnie, it was Denman. I got use to saying Durkin for long its still a habit. You do get Steve Haskins job is to sell books and magazines dont you. Of course he is going to write glorious things about Zenyatta as he wouldn't sell much if he didn't · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Thats sadley what most of the Media overhype is. An attempt to help patch a struggeling industry. And to keep interest flowing. However, In the long run they are doing far more damage. People are realizing how low of a standard we hold our so called "champions" . · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Ohh and Even tho I could care less about Peter Ellis, if you sent him, Haskin, or any other turf writer my direction Ill tell thim exactly how I fell about it. And show them the facts. Something they can't show for her. The only facts that standout are that she ran one good race on dirt in her career, beating Brownie Points, and GingerPunch. Then she beat dirt and turf horses on synthetics. Or else she beat milers and sprinters going 9 furlongs. Her breeders cup synthetic classic win. Was also over overmatched horses, who were nowhere near the synthetic talent she was. Most of whom needed upwards of 8 - 10 attempts to win on the surface just once. Then you couple that with the fact she carried the least weight, was most experienced at SA, and probably the lightest raced of the field. That makes that win irrelevant and laughable. The fact that some of you come on here and try to act as if it was some real accomplisment I find utterly hilarious and somewhat appauling. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Then you add the people who try to consider her grade 1 record like it really means beans. Of her 13 grade 1's, 7 did not feature another grade 1 winner in them. So where was the accomplishment there? Of her 10 grade 1 wins over F/M on synthetics, she faced 2 whole horses who ever won a Grade 1 on synthetics, again where is the major accomplishment there? · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Then you must have understood or been told wrong. While she did draw a fairly large crowd, they were far from lined up 4 deep. Anyone who wanted to walk up and see her had plenty of room. · 102 days ago ·

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getthefacts · Just proved there is more myth to the supposed Legend than actual Legend. · 102 days ago ·

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Musket Man

Are there any Musket Man babys in fole?

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Musket Man

Thank you icyhotboo for remembering Musket Man. I realize you where just making a point about Quality Road but it does give me a good feeling that you mentioned him. Ive been away awhile but Ill be back.

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · A hard-knocking racehorse if there ever was one. Rarely out of the money, always ran his race, but never ending up in the winner's circle. Love him · 154 days ago ·

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Zenyatta-Perfection Personified · A hard-knocking racehorse if there ever was one. Rarely out of the money, always ran his race, but never ending up in the winner's circle. Love him. · 154 days ago ·

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CauseForConcern · I believe he won the Tampa Bay Derby and the Illinois Derby en route to the Kentucky Derby, where he finished 3rd. · 154 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · YES, YES Great horse also finished third in the preakness.I never thought I would miss a horse but I was wrong!! I guess its because the FEIN/RYAN combo is having such a poor year. · 154 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · i do believe Schoolyard Dreams has a future on the Turf! · 154 days ago ·

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My Favorite Whitney in Recent History

All week I thought of the Whitney that was approaching, I thought about the Whitney’s that I had a chance to watch. The older versions that I had to search for and YouTube, all the way to the recent ones I watched live on TV. What a great race it is, one of my favorites! I read everyone’s commentary...Read More

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BrianZipse · Nothing wrong at all in loving last year's Whitney. It was a heckuva race, just look at what the 4th place horse did in the Jockey Clup Gold Cup a few months later. Many of us thought that Blame was the real deal, but until this race it was still unproven. · 186 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Very nicely written. I believe Blame to this day doesn't get the credit he deserves. Not only did he run down QR but held off a monsterous charge by Zenyatta in the BCC. Where he belongs in the ratings I don't know or really care. His heart proved to be the largest part of him. Watching the Whitney I never thought he would get to QR who at that distance can be called formidable. · 179 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · ICY...There are some people that are so bitter about the BCC 2010 that the dislike a wonderful horse like BLAME...he has the heart of a champion. · 179 days ago ·

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Jersey Town Stuns Cigar Mile Rivals

Jersey Town, the longest shot in the field at 34-1, dueled with Haynesfield through the final 200 yards before prevailing by a head to win a rousing edition of the Grade 1, $250,000 Hill ‘n’ Dale Cigar Mile on Saturday afternoon at Aqueduct Racetrack. Trained by Barclay Tagg for owner Charles...Read More

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chupa · he has to go to emerald downs to win nossa beach · 246 days ago ·

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Musket Man

This is one of the best horses to not win a G1. Always there in second but could never cross first.

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The Riding Pride of a Nation

Back in 2006, Eibar Coa became only the fourth jockey to win 300 races in a single year on the NYRA circuit. That year, he won the winter and spring riding titles at Aqueduct. He even claimed a share of that fall’s Belmont riding crown, a most impressive feat given the annual strength of the Belmont...Read More

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zatt · Godspeed in Eibar Coa's recovery from this awful injury. · 351 days ago ·

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footlick · I second that zatt! · 351 days ago ·

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sjuwill · A great jockey and a wonderful person, Im sure all race fans and anybody that knows him is rooting him on, best wishes and strong recovery for Eibar · 351 days ago ·

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KyOaksRunner · This is a really great post! I hope Coa makes a full recovery and is able to enjoy his life to the fullest. · 351 days ago ·

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ScottDick · Beautiful piece! · 350 days ago ·

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ErnieMunick · Excellent piece, Big Joe. Thanks. · 350 days ago ·

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KathyHunter · Good piece, prayers to Coa and his family. · 350 days ago ·

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RedYara · Buen articulo JOE, enalteciendo los valores y meritos de todos los VENEZOLANOS, agradecimiento especial a nuestro coterraneo y siempre buen hipico RAMÓN BRITO, el popular 30-G.... · 350 days ago ·

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BigAConfidential · Thank you all for the kind words. Eibar has been a mainstay on the NYRA circuit for the latter half of the last decade, and the jockey room will probably feel a little empty without him going forward. Praying for his return to health. Y RedYara, Ramon es el patrón oro para sudamericano compitiendo comentario. Un tipo de clase. Espero trabajar con él otra vez en el futuro. Gracias por lectura. Espero que regresará. · 349 days ago ·

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Musket Man

I am so sorry to hear that Musket Man is retired. But I am forever grateful that you brought him to Tampa Bay and into my life. Hope to see you soon at the Downs.

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NAYLA1268 · I just wish he would have won that G1 to shut up all the nay sayers!!! · 358 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · NAYLA1268 you can wish all you want but he still is a grade 2 horse running against grade 1 company.BCC lol · 358 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Icy you truly are a BB!! but i am smiling. oh before I forget... Miz Maggie Mae.. Maiden no more! · 358 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I'm smiling to. You bet a 4-5 in an 11 horse field.c,mon tell you passed on it plze · 358 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · nayla1268 I owned horses from 1970 to 1994 , almost exclusively standardbreds except for some cheap claimers that ran at Finger Lakes.I bought everything from claimers,private sales,went to the sales (standardbreds) and would have loved to have a horse the caliber of Musket Man.The closest I got to getting a good one was at the meadowlands sales.I was at the sale when On The Road Again purchased although it didn't come to my attention until years later when he started to run. · 357 days ago ·

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Musket Man Retired

Grade 2-winning millionaire MUSKET MAN (Yonaguska) has been retired and will stand at Vinery near Summerfield, Florida, this year for a $2,500 live foal fee. A four-time stakes winner, Musket Man also placed eight black-type races, including five Grade 1 events, and earned $1,236,820 from a 16-6-3-5...Read More

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humphrey · thank goodness as he was trough serveral races back · 375 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Wasn't this the guy who was going to run his horse for the good of the sport and forego this quick cash? sorry to use the great forego in a sentence with this story. · 375 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Im very sad to see that MM will not be racing anymore. Im also so proud to have had such a connection with this horse.Just so you can understand where im commin · 375 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Imagine, you grow up 5 minutes from Belmont park,used to cut school to make the early double, and dreamed of owning arace horse,let alone a great race horse!. This was Musket Man!! Even though was not the owner and have no stake in him,he was my great race horse! It turns out a couple of friends of mine got together and bought a horse named Rouge Agent weho went on to make them a few dollars. after sell him Eric Fein bought MM and the rest is history! I have talked up a storm on HRN about MM and I dont regret it! Musket Man odviously was a news worthy race horse.Just the fact that HRN has reported his retirement! I just wish He had That Grade 1 under his belt. Good luck Eric and thank you so much for the Dreams and the Ride!!!! · 375 days ago ·

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humphrey · words of wisdom from an old handicapper: Never fall in love with a horse as it clouds your objectivity · 375 days ago ·

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cugel the clever · "never fall in love with a horse"? i guess your advice applies to everyone else but you. you get a boner every time you gush over big red. · 375 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · never fall in love with a horse with your money but by all means give your heart. · 375 days ago ·

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luvzenyatta · They get my heart easy, Icy, but it's tuff as hell not to bet with my heart. But I'll keep tryin' · 374 days ago ·

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humphrey · I never wagered FOR or against Secretariat · 373 days ago ·

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Blame Nips Zenyatta in Thrilling Classic

Blame ended Zenyatta's 19-race win streak with a thrilling head victory in the 2010 Breeders' Cup Classic. Read More

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mdracing69 · Zenyatta's gritty effort should silence the critics. Even if you are not a Zenyatta fan you have to admire the effort she put forth in the BC Classic. The sluggish start made all the difference. Take nothing away from Blame. He is a talented colt. · · 458 days ago ·

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saandraa · What a race, Zenyatta was amazing but still I think Blame deserves HOY! · 458 days ago ·

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medlocke · Sometimes you learn about a horse in defeat than you do with a win. Zenyatta ran an incredible race to be beaten only a nose. After Mike Smith had her parked 20+ lengths off of a field this good. Only Blame, running the race of his life, was able to withstand what she brought to bear. I take nothing away from Blame. He's a great champion in his own right. Racing on a track that he dearly loves. He beat Zenyatta fair and square. But to blow by the rest of that field, and come so close takes nothing away from Zenyatta's legacy. If anything, it just solidifies it further. She's all hear. A champion's champion. All the chants of "poly-Zen" should forever be put to rest, IMO. This mare ran huge to come from so far out of it. There's no question she's one of America's all-time greats. Even Man O' War, Secretariat, Citation, Native Dancer, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Spectacular Bid, or any of the other all-time greats were beaten at least once in their careers by horses they weren't supposed to lose to. In this case, many gave Blame a huge shot at defeating Zenyatta. And she challenged him to the very end. JMO. · 458 days ago ·

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Patti · Ditto JMO. There's hasn't been a horse in a very long time that has created such excitment and joy as Zenyetta has. She has earned the respect of horse fans and people that have never been to a horse race. A champion athlete. Mike Smith did a fantastic job. I only hope that the powers that may be understand her contribution and give her the well deserved Horse of the Year. · 458 days ago ·

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humphrey · Both Native Danncer rider (Eric Geurin) as well as Man O`Wars`s Loftus who had his license suspended) took crap for the rest of their life for otucomes that were not their fault · 458 days ago ·

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humphrey · East coat bias will reign again like it has since the 60`s · 458 days ago ·

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trueturf · THEY SHOULD TOUR ZENYATTA AROUND THE WORLD TO BEAT EVERY HORSE IN THE WORLD ALL GREAT HORSES LOSE 1 OR 2.. SHE IS THE BEST · 458 days ago ·

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trueturf · THE BEST · 458 days ago ·

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trueturf · NEVER CAN DUPLICATE · 458 days ago ·

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trueturf · SUPER FILLY · 458 days ago ·

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Sunday-Silence · A bad trip, sluggish start, cramped heading home - and still ran down a horse who was on his home track, and had clear sail. REMEMBER FOLKS, 3 of Blames 4 losses came outside of this track - There is no way he beats her on any other track · 458 days ago ·

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Sunday-Silence · Give Blame HoY because he beat ZEN, but it does not mean he is better. ZEN IS THE BEST HORSE hands down and wins on any other track (HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE FOR BLAME). · 458 days ago ·

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sportsfan · did Zenyatta really need to win the BC to have any chance to win HOY? · 458 days ago ·

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ThaSpa · My God. Zenyatta fans, there is so much to be proud of, she ran a tremendous race. She proved she is truly a champion. With that in mind, STOP WITH THE EXCUSES. Do you realize that you are doing nothing but cheapening her? Now it’s home field advantage. Give me a break. Did you mention her home field advantage over the Euros and turf specialists and dirt horses last year when she won on her home turf? No chance. In 12 hours I’ve heard she only lost because she got off to a bad start, she was bumped, she got cut off, she had traffic, she got a bad ride. You know what? That’s horseracing. It happens to every horse. Do you think every horse she’s ever beaten in the final strides never ran into any of these obstacles? I have nothing but admiration for the way she ran yesterday but listening to these excuses is pathetic. · 458 days ago ·

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bob46 · The Spa hit the nail on the head. There cannot be any doubt that Zenyatta is one of the greatest but for her supporters to complain about home court advantage is ridicilous. She had this advantage for 90% of her races. She actually ran her greatest race in a losing effort. This is what happens when you race against the best quality horses. Her races in California were against medicore horses at best and really proved nothing. Its poetic that it took a loss to show what a truely great horse she really is. This was really one of the great efforts in racing history and I for one would say she is one of the best horses (male or female ever). I just wish that the Mosses would have had more faith in her and let her compete in races (east or west coast) that would have been more chalangeing. · 458 days ago ·

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railbird1 · to the spa and bob46: You guys are the ones who are pathetic. These are not excuses they are just the facts. Zenyatta was obviously the best horse she just didn't win because of bad racing luck. You guys can't tell me you never excused a horses loss because of a bad trip. If you do you're both liars.Secondly saying the Mosses should have had more faith in her is ridiculous.She took the exact same path to the Breeders cup this year as she did last year and that resulted in a win in the BC Classic. There's an old saying if it aint broke don't try and fix it. If you guys owned this horse I don't think you go against the advice of your trainer and force him to change her schedule. If you did it would be like acting as your own lawyer in a trial and having a fool for a client. · 458 days ago ·

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jahlgren · Zenyatta's truly a majestic winner even in her loss. I cried, too, Mike, But, I'll never get over the thrill of seeing her in person at 2009's BC Classic, and prancing through the paddock for the crowd. She is the biggest horse I've ever seen in my life, and to see her perform was the highlight of my life, and tops seeing Seattle Slew. She's just gigantic. To come up a head short against the guys, and being in quite a traffic jam, well....kudos to her for running her heart out and being so close. She's fabulous! · 458 days ago ·

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ThaSpa · Well if it is luck railbird, then, unless you are a total hypocrite, you’ll agree that a few of those races she won by a head in the past was also due to “bad racing luck” her opponents endured, right? Or are you going to tell me that in every race she had ever won that every single horse she ever beat in the final few strides had absolutely perfect rides each & every time? · 458 days ago ·

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ugozenyatta · i still cant believe she lost. i mean i just cant picture it. but i guess i have to now b/c she is no longer unbeaten. no harm mike good job · 458 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · SHE HAS TROUBLE COMING OUT OF THE GATE! LOOK AT ALL HER RACES, EVERYTIME LAST! RACING LUCK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BUT STYLE DID. · 458 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · This quote taken from an article on the race by Steve Haskin really say's it all: Perfection is overrated and not earthly anyway; brilliance in loss under · 458 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · quote take from an article by Steve Haskin: Perfection is overrated and not earthly anyway; brilliance in loss under the toughest of circumstances is much more impressive. · 458 days ago ·

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railbird33 · I was siting on the finish line-yesterday at Churchill Downs. Zenyatta WAS THE BEST HORSE in the Classic. Unfortuately, this time Mike timed his run about 10 seconds- too late. Horse of the Year- NO DOUBT, Zenyatta!!! · 458 days ago ·

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lewpe · All of Zenyatt's camp did a great job. The public loves Zenyatta and she has done more for horse racing than any other horse outside of John Henry. She has piqued interest in this sport like I have not seen in many, many years. She is more than a thoroughbred, she is a true athlete. While we were all hoping for the win, coming in second in a race run the way this race was run is still great but honestly in our hearts, she won. She has showed her class over and over again. She deserved Horse of the Year last year and if the public were voting, she would get it for sure. Hopefully, those concerned will take into consideration what she has done for the sport as well as her race accomplishments. If the Moss' decide to retire her, then she desrves to retire in a comfortable barn, sprinting occassionally, grazing and being treated like the Queen that she is. · 457 days ago ·

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lewpe · I should quantify my previous comment as to what Zenyatt has done for horse racing. I am speaking in terms of recent years. Goodness knows Secretariat, Ruffian, Seabiscuit and other great horses brought much enthusiasm to the sport. But of late with the recession and the number of casinos that have been opened in California and internet betting, the horse racing industry has suffered immensely and Zenyatta has brought an interest back in the sport at a crucial time. · 457 days ago ·

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railbird1 · Hey Spa: Every single race Zenyatta has run is available on replays on this site. Just click on her name in the power rankings section and you can view them all. I have many times over. If you can find one race where a better trip for another horse would have beaten Zenyatta you're a better man than I am because I can't. I'm not close to being a hypocrite, so tell me which race she would have lost if another horse had a better trip. I want to agree with you and will if you can find that race. I couldn't and I've seen every reply multiple times. · 457 days ago ·

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trueturf · Amen Lewpe She is A SUPERSTAR GOD BLESS HER MR AND MRS MOSS JOHNNY BOY AND MIKE FOREVER................... · 457 days ago ·

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ThaSpa · I’ll be honest, I’ve watched every one of Zenyatta’s races at one point or another, and other than a few races I don’t remember or paid attention to the other horses in the race. Right now this site is being overrun by flash in the pan, Zenyatta-biased horseracing fans that will be gone the day she retires; so having objective discussions at this point with most people is not possible. I’m not saying you fall in that category but you’d have to admit it’s ridiculous right now. My point was that every horse that has ever run has faced trouble during a race at one point or another. Zenyatta’s turn was Saturday. That’s horseracing. There’s a major gamble to trying to deep close into a 12 horse field on dirt. The most obvious potential issue is traffic; secondly, she’s going to get 1000 times dirtier than she will on synthetic, third, you run the risk of falling too far behind against good competition. Turns out she ran into all of these & got burned. But that’s the risk of running that style. She still almost overcame it. But if you go into a race knowing that x y & z could happen if you try to deep close & then x y & z happen, you can’t blame that for your loss. Otherwise it’s a no-lose situation. When she wins, it’s her talent, when she loses, it’s not her fault. Wouldn’t life be great that way??? But that’s exactly what Zen fans are doing & they are cheapening the horse they love by doing it. · 457 days ago ·

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bob46 · Railbird, did you evn read my comment. I could not have been more complimentry to Zenyatta. She ran a super race and surely proved her greatness on any kind of track. My point being that the majority of her races to this point have been against so so competition. If Blame or Quality Road had been running against the horses she had been beating they would have been undeafted also. It is ironic that her one loss proved to most honest people what her 19 wins failed to do. that she truely is a horse for the ages. · 457 days ago ·

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railbird1 · Hey Spa: I agree with you about the x y and z thing. Although it's probably more like A to Z there are so many things that can go wrong in a horse race, but that's what makes Zenyattas streak so amazing. She faced those possibilities every time and still was 19-0 before Saturday. I don't think people are cheapening her. I just think people are saddened that x y and z prevented her from winning a 2nd BC Classic and ending her career in storybook fashion. Everyone wants that happy ending to a great story. I'm not one of those flash in the pan Z fans, if fact I didn't think she would win last years Classic, but when she did in such dramatic fashion she made me a true believer. I too am saddened we didn't get that storybook ending. It would have been great for the sport we all love. That's all it is, just sadness we didn't get that happy ending. I'll get over it because like you said that's horseracing. Even you have to admit it would have been great for racing if she had won. When people don't get their happy ending they want to blame the villain, in this case the villain is x y and z it's just human nature. · 457 days ago ·

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Icyhotboo · bob46 I believe your so confused your confusing me.On the one hand you say she's great but then say if other horses had against the ones she did they would be undefeated also.Quality Road got crushed br Summer Bird ( remember him, also by little 3yo filly named Rachel who ducked Z ). I live in New York state (on the east coast) so don't hit me with that bias stuff. And as for Rachel I believe she is the best filly ever and John Nerud of whom you may have heard agrees with me on that. Horse racing is a business and all owners make decisions about their horses with money being the primary factor. A great example of this is Quality Road running in the classic , its actually more profitable forhis owner to have run 12th in the classic than blow away the field in the dirt mile because running him there would say to all the world he is not meant for the classic distance which he isn't. To the point if I can remember it being a business who draws more fans whats his name or Zenyatta.Who appeared on Prime Time Television for an hour long segment,who thrills you EVERY time she runs? · 457 days ago ·

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humphrey · Dont see Cugel crowing about "I told you so" do we????? · 457 days ago ·

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momscommand · As a side note, prior to the BC, Rachel Alexander still topped the performance ratings for the year 2010. Yes, she is one of the greatest ever. She was a victim this year of poor riding and poor decisions but that does not dim last year's accomplishments. · 456 days ago ·

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blooy · Humphrey, you mean Blame won i told you so? yes, momscommand they changed her running style so foolish. but you have to give it to her, most horses pushed to run to the front like that all the time crash below 3rd place. rachel could have won most of those races had calvin borel not been so cocky. · 390 days ago ·

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humphrey · RA was gutted on the track at Saratoga, like many over raced females, and that is from the people in the business who were there and saw it. She was through and the savagery unleahed by 14 15 slashing hits down the lane should have suggested she had given her all and there was NOTHING left i the tank · 390 days ago ·

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blooy · she locked in the speed duel is what got her, if borel would have just played it smart she would have won. but i guess i sound like z fans with their breeders cup oh well. · 389 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · no blooy you sound like you duh. as though she didn't win? · 389 days ago ·

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Musket Man

Will tommorow be the day Musket ends all the critisism about getting the job done. I sure hope so!! Good Luck Derek and Eric! See you in the winners circle.

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humphrey · 8th after a very strange ride...Not today · 437 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · right? Its funny I was sitting at my dads house who dosent follow racing. During the post parade I was telling him how haysfeild would be on the lead and Musket would be flying at the end. Needless to say my dad thinks I am clueless and should give up racing · 437 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · nayla: as I've stated I am totally objective when it comes to handicapping but I wasn't always that way. Only after consistantly losing did I re evaluate my approach.It's ok to fall fall in love with a horse but just not with your money.your not the only person to go through this 35 years ago that approach cost be everything I had. Getting back to this race he did fit well in there but his lack of a workout left me wondering if his foot was still bruised. before evey race but this one he's had a workout.When you fall in love with them you literally go blind in your assessment of their chances. Good luck to you in the future. · 437 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · blistering fractions got him caught between a wall of horses , had to come 5 wide, no chance in stretch,why hurt the horse · 437 days ago ·

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bigbrown2332 · I think he was back a little soon. Hopefully he'll get a bit of a rest and then come back sometime later this year. Oaklawn Handicap? Maybe a little soon. · 391 days ago ·

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humphrey · Won't it be refreshing if they finally put the horse in a situation where he has a ghost of a chance. · 391 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Humphrey are you saying he couldnt have won The Carter [G1] and the Monmoth Cup [G11]! Oh dont forget the Met Mile[G1] yes he faced Q.R but went the third fastest met mile!! · 391 days ago ·

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humphrey · I like this horse but the connections one day have to face reality and place him where he finishes NOT looking a tail wagging in front of him · 391 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · YOU WILL!!!!!! and all the spots he raced in were spots he belonged!!! even the classic!!! · 391 days ago ·

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humphrey · this horse showed all the signs of being over the top coming into the classic and his past performance lines screamed I NEED A REST. Ashamed to push a honest animal far past their abilities and form · 391 days ago ·

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blooy · musket man will bounce back, he was just winded, his last few races he ran against some big company. have a little faith people. · 391 days ago ·

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humphrey · Form cycle decline shows up in pace analysis and as tough as this guy was, those same characteristics visited him over the last few months of the year · 390 days ago ·

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blooy · i just think he has had his crashes as expected, we knew breeders cup was to long for him and the next race he would still be tired from that. long as he has had time to recover and the distance is fitting, he should be okay. i can see your point though. · 390 days ago ·

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blooy · i just think he has had his crashes as expected, we knew breeders cup was to long for him and the next race he would still be tired from that. long as he has had time to recover and the distance is fitting, he should be okay. i can see your point though. · 390 days ago ·

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Post Time: Cigar Mile preview

The $250,000 Hill n’ Dale Cigar Mile Handicap will be run on Saturday at Aqueduct Racetrack in Ozone Park for the 22nd time. One of my favorite races of the year run traditionally during the holiday weekend, the Cigar Mile is named after Hall of Famer Cigar, who won the race in 1994 when it wa...Read More

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nayla1268 · Who is Gene Kershner? I hope no relation to Don or Harry!!! This guy is going to throw out Musket Man from the Cigar Mile Say that he has had a long year and is tired. He's saying "off the board" I guess he is entitled to an opinion even if its a bad one!!! · 439 days ago ·

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humphrey · Actually pace wise MM does figure but he will have to run away from the others up front to do it. · 438 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · If he can't beat this weak field he's glue · 438 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I feel Haynesfield with his history of win -bounce-win-bounce- is a good bet.I'm not a genetecist but this is clearly a case of regression to the mean. · 438 days ago ·

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spuratic1 · I like Haynesfield ,but im going with Friend Of Foe to run big and take it.... · 438 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I just took a look at him-loose on lead in last and it still takes its toll.but he is a 3yo,he may be that good. · 438 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · tough one-MM has faced really top horses all year-no work tho-is foot still sore? · 438 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · tough race-nice place for fooling with some exotics-the odds will determine my plays · 438 days ago ·

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spuratic1 · Im excited..Just hit the 2$ exacta!!!!!!!!!!!!!! · 438 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · love exotics-NEVER have pick the winner- up and down ex · 438 days ago ·

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spuratic1 · It was a last minute pic for myself....Glad i hit it ..Not too bad for a gut feeling.... · 437 days ago ·

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humphrey · If a race, ANY race, does not have two standouts that immediatelu are obvious a second peusing in necessary. After ten reviews of this one, NOTHING stood out, so I watched and enjoyed. · 437 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · My apologies to Mr Gene Kershner. I guess Musket Man was a tierd horse. · 437 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · running the BCC with an injured foot as hard as he did would take it out of any horse especially coming back after only 3 weeks. · 437 days ago ·

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EquiSpace · nayla1268 Apology accepted. I just ran across this and I'm no relation to Harry or Don! I wasn't too far off on this one. Just picked the wrong horse to upset. :) · 399 days ago ·

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Musket Man

I can see today MM is a possible entry fir the cigar mile on Saturday. Can this be the G1 we have been waiting for? If there is a racing god,{and i do believe it} Let him shine down on this colt!!!

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mike · its about time an owner decides to bring back a racehorse to win big time races rather than retire the horse and take the easy money.. From what i understand knowing friends of Eric Fein is that the breeding offers were substantial fir Musket Man but he chooses to race MM instead of retiring the great colt... in the drf article Derek Ryan says the horse took a pretty serious shot on one of his legs and that probably caused MM to not finish in the top three... Bravo to Mr. Fein for not taking the easy buck and allowing us to enjoy this fun hard trying colt for at least one more year.... · 441 days ago ·

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Trixie · Absolutely thrilled that they are bringing him back. Kinda figured he had a bad trip in the Classic as he always shows up with his A game. I hope Musket Man and Gio Ponti kick some serious but next year as they are both quality horses. · 441 days ago ·

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ICYHOTBOO · ru kidding? he's got to run him until he does something of note which up until now is just tag along. Good traler for 3rd and 4th in the exotics · 441 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Icyhoboo When you learn how to watch racing then you can comment!!! What you re saying is idiotic!!! Just Stop!!!! I would love to know where you rank this horse in the older division? On second thought dont answer! · 441 days ago ·

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humphrey · Icyhotboo has probably seen more race personally than the majority of posters here · 441 days ago ·

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humphrey · you often see these types in harness racing drafting to hit the board but not often much better · 441 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Ok now You guys are getting me fired up!!!! With the exception of the breeders cup, MM has raced well enough to have beaten anyone other then Quality Road!!! The Carter he sould have Won, {ended up crushing warriors reward in the met mile} The Whitney he ended up chasing Q.R. And the Monmoth Cup He was tag teamed by Three horses and hade to check and go 5 winde only to miss by a nose!!! Hard luck? yes but not good enough? come on!!! and Humphrey If you think that Icy knows how to watch a race then you are as blind as he is!!!!! · 441 days ago ·

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humphrey · Some horses are ALWAYS in trouble....IF ONLY______________ or ONLY ________________ when the truth is there is no late move once they have shot their wad, I must admit this one drafts better than most, but remains a level below the top as an overachiever. · 441 days ago ·

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humphrey · This animal is winless since Tampa Bay and has one major win at Hawthorne?? Is that correct? · 441 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I personally have nothing against any horse I wish I could say this about owers and trainers. Previously I stated MM is a nice horse who is an over acheiver. Instead of entering MM in the Dirt Mile where he would have been an overwhelming favorite they became intoxicated with the thought of beating Zenyata.oops Blame was running in that race to along with LAL. At a 1/1/4 mile he NO CHANCE. again delusions of grandeur prevailed. If he didn't get his foot stepped I suppose he would have roared down the stretch coming the last 1/4 in 23.3/5 to beat both blame and Zenyatta. In your dreams. · 440 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · The only logical way to predict the future is by studying past events.People who tend to have a history of trouble can be expected to continue on this path,it's no different with horses.Sadly while sitting with a large group of friends and aquaintences a few years back at Saratoga a friend of a friend on a tip from the barn bet a large sum on a horse "Dollar Bill". I didn't because he had a history of trouble, but being around gamblers all my life I could say nothing so I sat while this person to everyone to the gallows. The saddest part I later got to know him and found him to be an execellent gambler.I then posed the obvious question, why the bet with his history. Reply, he was the best and in shape but going to the window I really knew better like you, sometimes you get caught up in the moment and lose touch. · 440 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · listen, Irealize that a small fortune of mine has been lost this year on MM but that doesent mean he's not a top notch horse!! The bottom line is that he ducts no one!!! If He wins on saturday this argument is over!! Maybe The mile would have been better but the compition was in the classic! no delusions of grander, just wanted to try and beat the best!! Please show this MM a little respect!!! · 440 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · I have given MM the respect he deserves.I've had horses were I lost more then a small fortune but I remained objective because if you don't you just keep losing.Even if he wins he's only a $4 payoff in this WEAK field. · 440 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · BTW if he was a top notch horse you wouldn't have lost anything. · 440 days ago ·

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humphrey · nayla What did Eistein say the action of repeating the same thing over and over EXPECTING a different result? If a horse continues to eat money, don't bet it · 440 days ago ·

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Bribon Seeks Cigar Mile Success

Saturday’s 22nd edition of the $250,000 Hill ‘n’ Dale Cigar Mile at Aqueduct Racetrack has attracted its customarily contentious field for the final Grade 1 race of the year in New York, in which 7-year-old Bribon has the difficult task of attempting to avenge his narrow defeats in 2008 and 2009. &n...Read More

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Musket Man

Thanks for the thrill Musket!!! The connections need to bring him back for his 5 year old campaign and win that G1 missing from his reseme

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mike · great horse... hope he came out of race well.... seems like all these great horses get retired after there 4yo season and go to stud... i agree it would be amazing to see him come back for his 5yo campaign... i hear his owner is a great guy... i hope he grants our wish... this horse always tries his heart out and he will win some grade 1s if back in 11...... · 456 days ago ·

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Musket Man

Two more days!! Can't wait. Has anyone seen a posted work since MM arrived tuesday?

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Third Annual Breeders' Cup Handicapping Chat

Astute horseplayers who attended the last two Breeders’ Cup Handicapping Chats at the Iron Maidens Thoroughbreds website ( http://www.ironmaidensthoroughbreds.com/ ) named several long-shots to watch and attendees claimed a positive ROI overall. Discover the benefits of reviewing each horse’s p...Read More

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Musket Man

6 days away from proving all the Musket Man haters wrong! I cant wait to see us go right by Quailty Road and hold off the late closing Looking at Lucky. Forget the Z mare, this is a field of broken dreams for her!!! No synthetic either!!!!

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horses · Just to be clear... I don't think there are any Musket Man haters. He's a very cool horse that shows up every time. He's just not Zenyatta. Or Blame. Or Quality Road. But that doesn't mean he want stick his nose out for third once again! · 464 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · I didn't mean to use the word "us" Its just that the connections make you feel like we all have a part of him!!! Go Tweeter!!!! · 464 days ago ·

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mike · youre right horses... hes been beaten less than rwo lenghths in any race these other horses have been in with him,. thats a stupid response he doesnt belong with them... sheet wise hes right there with any and hes only raced against the best of his generation and with the right trip ,, he will be right there hopefully in front... · 464 days ago ·

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horses · Mike, it is certainly a matter of opinion. Yes, Musket Man belongs in the race with these horses. He's a quality stakes runner and a tremendous competitor. He won't be embarrassed. But he hasn't won a graded stakes since April 2009, much less a G1, much less facing all these horses at once. · 464 days ago ·

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humphrey · A solid hard tryer who will do what he has done, stay close, but no more than that. · 464 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · Is there really a question if MM belongs here? · 464 days ago ·

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cugel the clever · hump-free...... you are a hypocrite. i have seen many of your patronzing posts on this forum in which you insult and belittle other people for daring to predict the outcome of the race. you claim its inpossible preducting anything before knowing the exact field and the track conditions. if so, how do you get off discounting MM, QR, and any number of other horses before you know the field and the track? what if espoir and haynesfield are scratched and QR has the easy pace all to himself? what if the track is a sea of slop and Z gets the mud from 10 horses splashed in her face for 10 furlongs? if you're going to be an a$$hole, at least be consistent. · 463 days ago ·

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blooy · i think mm has a good shot, he should come back, only thing is distance factor. he has a good pace and a strong figure. i do plan to use him as a long shot. · 463 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · After reading all the comments about MM ,some by myself which I admit were derogitory I took another long hard look.What I came up with amazed me.In graded company I II and III he has never been off the board (remarkable).Raced with the best best and was always around.As horses go he seems to be the ultimate overachiever. While I don't think Zenyatta will lose MM will be a definite play at 2nd 3rd and 4th. My opologies to anyone close to this horse who may have been offended by my prior comments regarding MM but they were truly made in ignorance.He belongs in this race as well as any other horse. GL to those of you who are close to him. Bruce · 463 days ago ·

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humphrey · Funny how having a very different take on a horse's ability some how labels you a HATER???? what bull-oney · 463 days ago ·

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nayla1268 · good job icy. I have to admit MM has cost me a small fortune as a 4 year old but I still have great confidence in him and hope to score at churchill!! 16/1 sounds very very tempting! Its seems almost like a gift for staying with him. and like the consistancey mm shows so will the payoff!!! · 463 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · If you really plan on scoring by way of betting on MM to win you better have lots of money or 2 jobs. · 462 days ago ·

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cugel the clever · MM will finish ahead of Z. Most likely super is QR, Blame, LaL, MM. · 462 days ago ·

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ICYHOTBOO · right cugel slap your 2 bucks downs and hide in the closet til it's over. · 462 days ago ·

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ICYHOTBOO · I never ever use the word "hate" but I do use the word"IDIOT" a lot. Handicap that one cugel. · 462 days ago ·

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ICYHOTBOO · sorry cugel got to go the fishies at full tilt are waiting. BTW: WHY AREN'T YOU THERE OR DID i ALREADY BREAK YOU? · 462 days ago ·

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cugel the clever · Don't worry icy, I'll slapping a lot more than $2 down AGAINST Z and laughing all the way to the bank when I take your money. · 462 days ago ·

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Musket Man

Love the move he made in his last. Pinned on the rail, chasing a ridiculously slow pace. MM made a sweeping 4-wide move and caught up to the leader Etched with a few hundred yards to go and was nostrilized at the wire. The way he wound up around the turn seemed like a dress rehearsal for that same move he'll need at the infamous Churchill Downs strip, to win this race. Break out your muskets, cause here comes the man!

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Yonaguska	Cherokee Run	Runaway Groom
		Cherokee Dame
	Marital Spook	Silver Ghost
		Homewrecker
Fortuesque	Fortunate Prospect	Northern Prospect
		Fortunate Bid
	Flambeau	Dixieland Band
		Moment's Prayer