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Man O' War

1917 - Horse | Deceased
Owner(s):
Samuel Riddle  - 
Trainer:
Louis Feustel
Bred:
Kentucky (USA) by August Belmont Ii  -  [Add Data]
Pedigree:
Fair Play  -  Mahubah  by  Rock Sand
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What the Horse Racing Nation is saying about Man O' War...

Absurd. Man O' War is not the best horse of all time, but he is one of the greats. It's not like we're arguing about the Bible, we're just putting a horse in his proper historical perspective. It's not so bad, or sinful, to say he is toward the bottom of the top 10.
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  • TampaBayDowns Fan · she'd be up there in the finish, but I'd say MOW first, Ruffian, Zenyatta then Kelso, if it wasn't a mile or the classic distance. And you forgot Secretariat ;) · 6 days ago ·
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  • cocoa2 · Man O' War infront under a drive by 15 over Ruffian who nabs place over Kelso by a nose at the wire 12 lengths over Zenyatta · 5 days ago ·
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I think Man O' War is the greatest. We all have our opinions and facts and figures, but one thing Man O' War has is the fact people are still trying to dethrone him which goes to show he still has made a HUGH impact and fans of more recent horses are threatened. I know a lot of people talk about records, of course Man O' War set, equaled, track, world, american records probably more than any horse and I know Secretariat and others have too, but it's not just that. Someone brought up about Swaps, his 1 5/8th was faster than Secretariat, is Swaps better than Secretariat then? So, let's love them and have our favorites and stop arguing facts we can never really prove or rely on.
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  • Mary Z. · icy, you are one of the reasons why I don't fall asleep reading here--you turned out to be cool. Most of the time. · 11 days ago ·
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  • buckpasser · Thanks Icy. You always get to the heart of a discussion. You are right of course here with the same worn argument · 11 days ago ·
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I think it makes sense that if only 1,600 horses are around, and you have one that is outstanding, that the outstanding one is only the best of 1,600 horses. To imagine that he is something more, or that he is the "greatest of all time" is definitely getting carried away. It's like being the best 8 year old baseball player on your block...it doesn't make you the best 8 year old baseball player in the world.
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  • Mary Z. · could not have seen her run · 16 days ago ·
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  • Mary Z. · #1 female · 16 days ago ·
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Here are The Facts of the matter. MAN O' WAR's record was 2:40-4/5. SWAPS, in the 1950's, ran a 2:38-1/5 at Hollywood Park in California. That's 2 seconds and 3/5 faster! KELSO ran a 2:40-4/5 at Belmont in 1960, tying MAN O' WAR's time. It was KELSO's only race of his entire career at 13 furlongs. By the way, 13 furlong races are hardly ever held, especially on dirt, and, from the looks of it, hardly ever were. Keep in mind that that although KELSO and MAN O' WAR ran the same time at Belmont, SWAPS' time beats them both by nearly 3 full seconds.
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  • TampaBayDowns Fan · imagine if they did record a time what it would be · 16 days ago ·
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  • cocoa2 · He constantly broke records in workouts as did Man O' War. · 16 days ago ·
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He should definitely be in the 10-12 range, as he was a great horse, but due to a lack of horses (1,680 born his year) and, therefore, a lack of competition, he's more than a little suspect. He's definitely not #1.
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  • TampaBayDowns Fan · I generally have some of the same opinions as cocoa, and I agree that this was just a debate in the making when posting that comment · 23 days ago ·
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  • yukichan · All 20 of this year's derby contenders trace back to Man O' War... · 23 days ago ·
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If people think that Man of War isn't in the top 10 for the best all time best horses, then your crazy,
Man o' War, who would go on to win 20 of his 21 career starts, was foaled at Nursery Stud in Lexingon, KY.Read More
Looking at the list of greatest horses of all-time 2 things stand out. To reach the very top you have to DOMINATE at the ages of 2 and 3 and you have to win at least 2 out of 3 Triple Crown races.
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  • larooski · I'm talking about those 6 being ranked ahead of horses like Kelso, Forego, Round Table and horses like that, not pre-modern day racing horses but you can't pass up an opportunity to enlighten us · 73 days ago ·
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  • TampaBayDowns Fan · And Funny Cide!!! Dont forget this gusty gelding! · 73 days ago ·
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Man O’ War - born just before midnight on March 29, 1917. Secretariat - born just past midnight on March 30, 1970. It’s fitting that the two thoroughbreds most hotly debated as the best ever in America were foaled mere minutes apart. They were both truly magnificent in their time.
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  • buckpasser · That is a very interesting fact. · 85 days ago ·
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  • travel_vic · Best standardbred, Some beach Somewhere and MOW has exactly the same lifetime record · 85 days ago ·
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Carried 130 as a 2 yr old...unbelievable!! Hope we have another one like him! Exterminator would've gave him a run for his money, but I think MOW would've pulled through and won. No wonder his connections stayed away from this beast! My art proffesor asked if he was any good...HA!
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  • travel_vic · Do you realize how much weight ALL horses carry in the AM under exercise riders? Often 140 to 160 easily · 86 days ago ·
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  • TampaBayDowns Fan · I do realize that, but in the morning they do not go full out against other horses. And many horses get more competitive around other horses, so therefore they dont give their all in moring works. But MOW had speed AND stamina. He won a 13 furlong race in amazing time, sprinting away from only one other horse, Hoodwink. And he won the match race with S. Barton by 15 legnths with his head in his chest, but yet the race was 1 1/4 miles. Many horses could not beat another horse no mattter how good, by 15 with their head in their chest. · 86 days ago ·
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Also--he won according top all accounts with tremendous ease.:) Under a strong pull.
  • travel_vic · Only JOhn P. Grier gave him competition. Exterminator would have been a true test at a distance of ground. His connections stayed away from him. · 89 days ago ·
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Remember--track times--as many track 'supers' have told me an allowance of no less than 2-3 seconds/mile would have to be lessened...from 1920 'til now...also--Man O' War ran on steel shoes--quite the difference than from now or even back to Citation's time when even he engaged in aluminum. Also-makes quite the difference in timing-as would the track itself. His only lo9ss-as Willie Knapp had stated years later--who rode Upset in route to his win over 'Big Red'--nowadays what they did would be illegal and they would've been suspended. Heeven admitted to boxing him in w/ the others-also-Knapp stated Man O' War was back and literally sideways when the barrier was sprung-that he went by them AS IF THEY WERE STANDING STILL. The greatest ever? Maybe one from the 1800's or earlier may have been---no way of knowing--but i believe he certainly was in the 20th century.
Man O’ War may not have been the best of all time, but then, who was? That’s what opinions are all about. I’m not sure I believe all the hype generated over the years for this colt. What I do believe is that a record of 20 wins with one second, 3 world records, 2 American records and 3 track records (one still standing at Belmont Park) separates this one from almost all of the rest. Man O’ War belongs with the greats like Secretariat, Citation, Dr. Fager, Native Dancer, and Kelso. This list, of course, is bound to start those opinions flying once again.
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  • cocoa2 · @airedale2008; Belmont Park also has stopped running 1 5/8 mile races. BTW, Man O' War best the record by something closer to 4 seconds, not 1 3/5s. · 95 days ago ·
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  • travel_vic · It is interesing to recoun the delicate condition maintained by MOW at his death and rhe requirment of covering him up in his casket · 95 days ago ·
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Several peopl who saw both Big Reds, including Charles Hatton of the DRF and HOF trainer Holly Hughes BOTH thought that the latter was superior but then John Vietch was of thepoosite opinion. Whittiingham though Phar Lap ws better than both of these
I think he is one of the all time greats. He won 20 races, and lost the 1 because of a bad ride by Loftus. if people say I 'm wrong, look at it this way: You call Zenyatta great, and she won 19 of 20 with one loss by a nose. Man O' War on the other hand, won 20 out of 21 and lost one by a nose, and won by many more legnths, yet you do not call him great. Why?
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  • icyhotboo · @footlick, yes she did. After the race the driver of Une de Mai explained, "we couldn't match his speed so we had to test his stamina." 99% of all standardbred races are run at a one mile distance, this particular race the Roosevelte International Trot was contested at 1 1/4 miles meaning she was wide 5 turns on that half mile track. Nevele Pride was probably IMO the best trotter until Mac Lobell came along in the eighties. have a good day footlick · 104 days ago ·
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  • footlick · thanks icyhotboo. I do know that they run longer races in Europe than here, so our horses are at a disadvantage. And I do remember reading that Neville Pride's driver said everytime he tried to give him a breather, there she was ranging up. She and Roquepine were amazing animals. Une de Mai's finish against Fresh Yankee was amazing when she beat her also. But they are just favorites of mine. I don't have enough knowledge to really say who was the greatest trotter of all time, so for that I will defer to people who do. · 104 days ago ·
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What's he doing at #1? He is definitely not the best racehorse of all time. He's actually lucky to make the Top 10. I would rank him at #12. People who believe second hand stories and propaganda just blindly accept that he's "the greatest" without examining the matter.
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  • TheSecondBigRed · I'd say he is a fantastic, exceptional animal..but to say he is the best is hard to determine, given how long ago he raced, compared to more recent champions. · 122 days ago ·
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  • cocoa2 · I think Nack's point Secretariat would finish 14th in a race makes no sense. We all know that certain horses excelled at certain distances. · 115 days ago ·
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Man O'War will never be as good as Seabiscuit
  • cocoa2 · Stop watching Hollywood Movies and do some research. · 121 days ago ·
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  • travel_vic · at four, this monster would have to have carried 140 to start the year. Vosburgh suggested that starting point or he would be in walkover after walkover. That plus the fact he had injured is right foreleg twice, Riddle did the smart thing and retired him sound. · 120 days ago ·
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I think this horse was an amazing race horse, as fit as they come. (not saying indefinatly he was best but he was certainly one of the top 10)
A great horse with both fact and legend.. This type of posting is what and why I usually stay off these type of boards. People not the horses make such ugly comments that it can turn a new fan against the whole thing.
Haters of Man O' War- just stop posting stupid things like "What's he doing at #!? He is definitely not the best racehorse of all time." Just stop. If you hate him, make a website and see how many people visit it. Don't post these stupid things here please.This horse is my favorite horse ever and I don't like to see people posting bad things about him. Thanks God bless.
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  • jackie999 · While I love and respect Man O' War, and would probably place him in the #10-12 range of all time, I think he would want no part of Secretariat, Spectacular Bid, Dr. Fager, Damascus, Swaps, Citation, Forego or Zenyatta. That doesn't mean Man O' War isn't great, because he certainly is. · 130 days ago ·
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  • footlick · and just maybe they wouldn't want any part of Man O War either. · 130 days ago ·
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Man O' War - Pedigree

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Fair PlayHastingsSpendthrift
Cinderella
Fairy GoldBend Or
Dame Masham
MahubahRock SandSainfoin
Roquebrune
Merry TokenMerry Hampton
Mizpah

Man O' War - Race Results & Past Performances

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View DetailsView Video10/12/201stC KummerKWP41 1/4 mDKenilworth Park Gold Cup03+ MMan O' WarSir Barton 2:03.00
View Details09/18/201stC KummerHdG51 1/16 mDPotomac0 Man O' WarWildairBlazes1:44.80
View Details09/11/201stC KummerBel41 1/2mDJockey Club Gold Cup0 Man O' WarDamask 2:28.80
View Details09/04/201stC KummerBel41 5/8 mDLawrence Realization0 Man O' WarHoodwink 2:40.80
View Details08/21/201stA SchuttingerSar41 1/4 mDTravers Stakes-G10 Man O' WarUpsetJohn P Grier2:01.80
View Details08/07/201stE SandeSar41 3/16 mDMiller0 Man O' WarDonnaconaKing Albert1:56.60
View Details07/10/201stC KummerAqu41 1/8 mDDwyer-G10 Man O' WarJohn P Grier 1:49.20
View Details06/22/201stC KummerJam41 mileDStuyvesant0 Man O' WarYellow Hand 1:41.60
View Details06/12/201stC KummerBel41 3/8 m DBelmont Stakes0 Man O' WarDonnacona 2:14.20
View Details05/29/201stC KummerBel41 mileDWithers -G30 Man O' WarWildairDavid Harum1:35.80
View Details05/18/201stC KummerPim41 1/8 mDPreakness-G103 MMan O' WarUpsetWild Air1:51.60
View Details09/13/191stJ LoftusBel36 fDFuturity0 Man O' WarJohn P GrierDominique1:11.60
View Details08/30/191stJ LoftusSar36 fDHopeful0 Man O' WarCleopatraConstancy1:13.00
View Details08/23/191stJ LoftusSar36 fDGrand Union Hotel02 MMan O' WarUpsetBlazes1:12.00
View Details08/13/192ndJ LoftusSar46 fDSanford0 UpsetMan O' WarGolden Broom1:11.20
View Details08/02/191stJ LoftusSar36 fDUnited States Hotel0 Man O' WarUpsetHomely1:12.40
View Details07/05/191stJ LoftusAqu36 fDTremont02 MMan O' WarRalcoAce of Aces1:13.00
View Details06/23/191stJ LoftusAqu35 fDHudson0 Man O' WarViolet TipShoal1:01.60
View DetailsView Video06/21/191stJ LoftusJam35 1/2 fDYouthful0 Man O' WarOn Watch 1:06.60
View Details06/09/191stJ LoftusBel45 1/2 fDKeene Memorial0 Man O' WarOn WatchAnniversary1:05.60
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