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Kincsem

1874 - Mare
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Owner(s):

Ernst von Blaskovich -

Trainer:

Robert Hesp

Bred:

(OTHER) by Ernst von Blaskovich - Hungarian National Stud in Kisber

Pedigree:

Cambuscan - Waternymph by Cotswold

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7.88/10

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What the Horse Racing Nation is saying about Kincsem...

Who Was Kincsem?

When people answer the question of who was the best racehorse of all time, most people would debate between Man O' War and Secretariat. But perhaps there was a FILLY better than them both.Read More

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jay s. · Good show, young lady. Very interesting. Here's a couple of topics you may find interesting: Swale - Did great things with so little time. Gate Dancer - The hooded wonder that wore earmuffs, · 94 days ago ·

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Armada · First heard about Kincsem many years ago, and have loved her since. However, I never heard the story about the gypsies before. Nice article. · 94 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Thanks to both. I was shocked to hear the story about the gypsies, but I believe its true · 94 days ago ·

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travel_vic · best in Euro form...May not have handled the front end speed this side of the pond · 94 days ago ·

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Buckpasser · TBDF. Thank you for reintroducing her and her accomplishments to a new generation of racing fans. I think the old timers deserve more respect than they get. · 94 days ago ·

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travel_vic · doesn't it mean or was she not referred to as The Treasured One · 94 days ago ·

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kaitlinefree1 · great article! i've been reading a lot about Kincsem lately, & i read yesterday about the gypsies before this was posted. she sounds like she was truly something. · 94 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · What book, KFree1? · 94 days ago ·

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Kincsem

I honestly think that this mare was the greatest racehorse ever. In the whole world. In all of history. A filly, racing mainly against males, retiring undefeated in 54 races. No one will ever duplicate that.

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footlick · A legend · 569 days ago ·

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morethanready111 · She was a great horse, and not even close to being the greatest ever. How many horses were there in existence back then? 100? 500? Who knows? The pool of horses was probably quite small, so it's hard to gauge her properly because of the lack of horses and runners way back then. She didn't race in the USA either, so why even include her? · 555 days ago ·

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travel_vic · didn't race in the US? She ran at what have been and ARE some of the greatest venues in the world and waxed all comers. She did have a single dead heat but beat that rival in a run off. The US is not or nor has it ever been the epicenter of racing. · 554 days ago ·

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footlick · I agree with travel_vic. A horse does not have to run in the US to be great. Also, just because there were less horses running doesn't mean that they were worse. The gene pool was purer and stronger then. We would have to go back and actually calculate the percentage of top class horses per foal population to get an accurate reading of the strength of competition. She ran in the best races all over Europe and was never beaten. I feel she is a true legend and certainly one of the greatest ever, jmho. · 554 days ago ·

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girt · Check Kincsem out in Wikipedia. Her story would make a great movie. Unreal. · 514 days ago ·

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girt · Check Kincsem out in Wikipedia. Her story would make a great movie. Unreal. · 514 days ago ·

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girt · Go to Thoroughbred Heritage and check out her story in the portrait section. · 514 days ago ·

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travel_vic · She dead heated once but won the run off · 514 days ago ·

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akoltai · Hello Everybody! I agree with All of You who consider Kincsem the No,1 racehorse of all time. - I was born in Hungary and read a fantastic book about her when I was ~8-9 years old. After her untimely death, Kincsem's skeleton, which is exhibited (I do not know whether in Kisber or in Busapest), was analysed mostly because when she was running, her abdomen was almost reaching the ground. No one had ever seen anything like this before. As expected, her skeleton was quite unusual. If I remeber correctly, her joints were much-much more flexible than those of "normal" horses. I wish I remembered more! I will access the book and will tell Those of You, who are interested, more about Kincsem. Bye for now, anna · 483 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Zenyatta Perfection Personified- Then a edit is probably necesaary for your name ;) Kinsecum ...perfection Personified :) · 95 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · *Kincsem...Typing to fast · 95 days ago ·

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northport · Morethanready... I can't tell if you are kidding, or if you actually think horses have to run in the US to be considered great... · 94 days ago ·

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Armada · @morethanready111: That was a joke, right? RIGHT? There were far more than 500 horses back then. Not as many as today, of course, but that does not mean they were of inferior quality either. If anything they could of been far better quality than horses we see today for all we know. And not having raced in the US? I'm sorry, but racing in the US does NOT make a horse great. The US is not some all great golden land. I really, really hope you were kidding with that egotistical comment. · 94 days ago ·

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UnionRagsRules · You must not try to argue with this person. Their username is Morethanready. Must I go on? · 94 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Quote: No one will ever duplicate that. ........Yes they did Camerero won 56 in puerto Rico in the ealy 50's · 94 days ago ·

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travel_vic · http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camarero · 94 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · On The Gallop's, please stop this trolling through the years! Pick a winner of a couple races, show us a little so we can take your comments that go WAYYY back seriously, and we can't assume you're not just another troll! · 94 days ago ·

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Kincsem

If everybody could take a read of my latest article (in Kincsem's comments) and comment once it is enabled would be great! Thanks

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cocoa2 · Why is Kincesm not mentioned as one of the greats? Same reason as Eclipse, Matchem, Herod, Australian, St. Simon, and such - they cannot be compared to the modern Thoroughbred. Even comparing American Eclipse or Lexington or Sir Charles is a huge stretch to Man O' War let alone Secretariat and dare I mention Cigar? · 95 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I hadn't ever read the part about the gypsies stealing her. That was interesting. · 95 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Imagine how special they thought she was to risk the punishment for horse-theft. · 95 days ago ·

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amino998 · Gypies , yes. The Australian Derby could be an interesting tale too. Beautiful as a filly and as a mare. Thanks! · 95 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Ugh, I wasn't comparing anybody...Would've loved to see her in real life, though! · 95 days ago ·

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rafirox · @TBDF. Nice article! I, too, think that people who enjoy the sport should research her, I guarentee all will enjoy researching her. I do like your article, just one speck. When people think "Who was the best ever?" Most don't think I'll Have Another or Barbaro, lol. My rankings would go: 1. Secretariat 2. Kelso 3. Man o' War 4. Dr. Fager 5. Citation 6. Forego 7. Affirmed 8. Spectacular Bid 9. Seattle Slew 10. Damacus. JMO. · 95 days ago ·

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rafirox · I believe most aren't educated on how great Forego was. He is another one people might enjoy researching. Nice article, TBDF. · 95 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · 1) Kelso 2) Ribot 3) Dr. Fager 4) Man O' War 5) Phar Lap 6) Secretariat 7) Brigadier Gerard 8) Count Fleet 9) Citation 10) Carbine · 95 days ago ·

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rafirox · Mine only including U.S runners, should have mentioned that. I'm upset I forgot Count Fleet :(..... (That list was off the top of my head) · 95 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · I've found that it's hard to match the "ancient greats" (as I like to call them) to the greats of the early 1900's and then the horse from those two categories against our most recent greats · 95 days ago ·

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Peppermint Paddy · Is the film on Kincsem still under production? · 94 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · @rafirox yes, but people outside of racing would say IHA or Barbaro because those are the only horses they know · 94 days ago ·

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Kincsem

deserves to be rated at the top.

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Kincsem

She was, what I think, the best racehorse to ever live.

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rafirox · Unbelievable horse. But, impossible to compare 1880's to modern day. · 122 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Rafi, I agree 100%. So hard to compare horses running in the same year, let along the 1970s, the 1920s are pure speculation and the 1880's... it's nuts! American Eclipse and Sir Charles ran multiple times in HEATS as used to be normal. Hindoo raced around this time, right? · 122 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Great job on the Affirmed article, btw · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · Exactly. 100% correct. · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · As you said, so hard to compare horses that run in the same year, let alone a century or more apart. · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · We can't really compare Bernardini to Barbaro. How are we suppose to compare Kincsem to Secretariat? Or against other top mares, such as Gallorette, Ruffian, Princess Rooney, Personal Ensign, or Zenyatta? Impossible to compare. · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · If we can't compare Curlin to Big Brown, we must certainly not be able to compare Sec to Kincsen. · 122 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · I wasn't really meaning to compare her to anybody, I was just saying =/ and thanks cocoa :) · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · I could list these same situations over and over. We can't truly compare Eskendreya to Mine That Bird, can we? It is hard to compare horses in the same year. It is virtually impossible to compare horses who ran 50 years apart, such as MOW and Sec. How the hell can we compare a 1880's mare to a 1970's mare? Or a modern day mare? · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · While it is on topic, FANTASTIC job on the Affrimed article, TBDF. · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · Hadn't even read it until cocoa brought it up, but it sure was a great read :). · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · Hadn't even read it until cocoa brought it up, but it sure was a great read :). · 122 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Thanks, rafirox :) wasn't even aware that anybody had read it, being the comments are shut down for nwo · 122 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · *now · 122 days ago ·

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rafirox · It's on the home page TBDF :). · 122 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Indeed it is, but its slowly merging to the bottom, being pushed down into oblivion by other articles! Oh no! Haha · 122 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · TBDF, I'd comment on your Affirmed Last Triple Crown Winner blog, but how? See what I mean? How do we enter comments for that blog? It gives a different message than at other blogs. How do we submit a comment there? · 122 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · Lasix/Salix(same thing, different names, no or very rare 12f or further stamina influences, and this one to which I've actually received rebuttals, I think just because he would argue anything, the entering of utter crap in the Derby, just because some owner wanted to say they had a Derby horse, not one they think of as a Derby winner and there is a huge difference there. Now, the argument goes, well, what about so and so long shot that won? No, I'm talking about the long shots that lose, quite badly, but not before causing traffic. Those are a few of my reasons why there has been a TC "drought". · 122 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · And then I get told that nothing else should change about the Derby, like the 20 horse field. Arguer said that makes it challenging. Really? The 10f isn't challenging. Okay, leave the 20 spots open, but let class, and I mean of the connections, not just the horses, be the thing that limits the field. Argue away. I never said lights at the Derby are okay or shortening it, or changing the Tc schedule. Just let class be the restriction at the entry box. Do you honestly believe that you have a Derby winner? No? Enjoy the parties, enjoy the race. Let the real contenders run. Of course others want the crap to raise the odds on the good ones. · 122 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · Based on what we know of Kincsem, she was the best of her time, and arguably one of the best horses to ever step foot on the track. Undefeated with 54 races, against both male and female. My grandfather use to say, that for a horse to truly be great, they must produce those who are great. Kincsem's offspring where very successful, as were her grand-offspring · 122 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · How do we post comments to TBDF/Maddie's blog? · 122 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · See? Not able to comment there yet: http://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Affirmed_The_Last_Crown_Winner_123 · 122 days ago ·

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footlick · True Dressage3295- she raced all over Europe in the top races against the best Europe had to offer. She is definitely one of the great ones. · 122 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · I know! It's annoying me, because it did the same thing with my "Top races of 2012" article, although for a short period of time. Is it saying "the comments willl be open when the article is approved" or something on yours too? · 122 days ago ·

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kay.robinett · Some of today's champions such as last year's classic winner in GB Camelot can still trace back to her tail female. · 121 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · Very nice article, Affirmed is one of my favorites, won 5 out of 5 photos, amazing. Camelot is a very impressive horse, can't wait for this year. · 121 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · BTW, I'm not going to research it, but off the top of my head I believe the same horse has won 2 out of the 3 of the last 25yrs of TC races over 60% of the time. Just bad luck at the right time. · 121 days ago ·

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On The Gallop's · Nice Article about a true Phenom. I have my select 3 fillies I believe to be the best (IMO) and Kinsecum is certainly in that list. Hats off to you Tampa. · 95 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Thanks! · 95 days ago ·

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Kincsem

Kincsem was not only a legendary racehorse that should be in the top 10 if not number 1, she was a successful broodmare and a hugely integral part of breeding programs.

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Kincsem

I am interested to find any books about Kincsem. Anyone have any names or autors?

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BrittanyHamilton · I could not find any books about her, im sure there is one though. · 441 days ago ·

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Kincsem

This horse should be in the top 20 all time. It was remarkable what she did.

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footlick · I agree · 661 days ago ·

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Kincsem

She's right! This horse is undefeated! That is very rare!

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KyOaksRunner · I am in complete agreement! · 695 days ago ·

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~RuffianQueenOfRacing~ · undefeated in 54, now that is unheard of~ · 689 days ago ·

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Woodbine · This Kincsem mare is an amazing story out of the 19th Century. Forget Mine That Bird, any mare that won't leave her rail car until her pet 'cat' is tracked down deserves a movie in my opinion! · 689 days ago ·

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Kincsem

this mare should be in the top 10! she won all 54 of her races, all across europe and only 5 of those races were against females! she is by far the greatest ever!