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Breed for Distance, America: Drosselmeyer

Can you imagine a Kentucky Derby run at the extended sprint distance of one mile in the not too distant future?Read More

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Floridaf · Between Drosselmeyer and Redeemed, the American racing industry should get a shot of distance IF the breeders send their mares to them. Nobody seems to want to invest the time or money into the babies that take a little longer to come into their own. Instant gratification has been the industry's downfall in terms of breeding. · 132 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · YES!!! Thank you so much for writing about him Brian. If you look at a pedigree comparison of Drosselmeyer to Flower Alley, you will find lots of stamina influences at the 3rd generation. Hopefully we will see great things out of Drosselmeyer's babies · 132 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · I remember the 2011 JCGC when I first neglected the 3rd place finish of Drosselmeyer. Going back and watching the race really shows again that this guy loves distance, and he was ready to tear up the Breeders' Cup Classic. · 132 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · Absolutely right Floridaf. However, Bobby Flay is heading in the right direction. He is starting to invest in European Sire. · 132 days ago ·

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AmbitiousD · And Ashley, I completely agree. This is one thing that I think the Kentucky Derby points system may start to slowly adjust. Its too early to tell this year, but at some point there will be some high profile 2 year olds that win G1's that dont even make this big dance in May because of no point accumulation in March/April of their three year old year. I hopeful that change is imminent. · 132 days ago ·

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ARBY · IMO the reasons Animal Kingdom is in AUS - they do breed for distance, they accepted his pedigree which the KY establishment finds wanting, they welcomed his track surface diversity and have a worldwide view at the market place. · 132 days ago ·

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marylandgq · Drosselmeyer made me a rich man when he won the BC Classic. He was one of the few in that race truly bred to go 9f. Obviously, the "Speed Freak" Cappers took a bath. THANK GOD someone has finally realized that if you want an opportunity to have a horse capable of getting the Classic distance (and be a realistic Triple Crown contender), they'll need a larger dose of stamina then the majority of the runners turned out over the past 30+ years. · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Drosselmeyer did not win that race as much as the rest of the field collapsed and he lucked out. Deep late movers NEVER win their share of races unless your name is Zenyatta....AND NO ONE looks for speed freaks at that distance. · 132 days ago ·

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Mike in SB · Another problem with the loss of stamina in the breed is the continuing shortening of the major races. This is a real problem, primarily in New York. Remember when the Gold Cup was 2 miles or even 1 1/2 miles and Saratoga now runs two 1 1/8 mile Grade One races, the Whitney and the Woodward. Instead of changing the race distance to suit the breeders, the tracks need to reward breeders for producing horses capable of running at the Classic distances. New York could start by making the Woodward a 1/14 mile race. By the way Drosselmeyer is a great looking horse! · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · shortening of races is universal. My complaint about it appeared in the BloodHorse in the Unbridled K Derby edition it has been going on for so long. · 132 days ago ·

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kedez2012 · I think this just proves that when bred to the right mare, Distorted Humor can get anything. He himself hardly ever raced above a mile, and yet Drosselmeyer is being praised as a distance horse. · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · when or whenever are people going to understand the difference between correlation and cause and effect? · 132 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · I thinke we'll start seeing more distance soon. Look at sires like Street Cry and AP Indy. Both have sons that were proven at 10f time and time again, and are ready to take up the mantle. Curlin could be a good distance influence as well. There are plenty of high profile sires out there who can put a dose of stamina in the breed. Didn't Darley also get Lonhro? Breeders do, also breed to theses horses. Some do not, and some do breed for speed, but there are look at the way major breeding operations have gone. Adena Springs stands a good few stallions that were capable of 10f plus. Gainesway stands a Belmont winner, Derby winner, Travers winner, and one of Bernardini's most brilliant sons. Lanes End, while has it's fair share of sprinter/milers also has an impressive list of classic, distance lovers. Yes, there are some horses that are not bred to be sound, to be durable, but as you can see there are plenty of breeding operations that stand distance influences. If you really want my opinion, stop putting all the blame on the breeders and put some on the trainers and the tracks. If a horse is not trained to withstand the rigors of a race then they won't hold once put into a race. Many trainers baby a horse, but that does more to hurt than help. They train for speed not stamina, so how is a horse who is trained to run 9f tops, supposed to stay well at 10-12f without fatigue or injury? Trainers don't like the distances, so tracks cut them. Are breeders at some fault...yes, but lets not forget that they are far from the only ones. · 132 days ago ·

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northport · How is the shortening of races universal? Major European races have been at the same distances for upwards of 100 years, you don't see australian or Japanese tracks changing the distances of their major races every five years. It is America's desire for speed and the track's willingness to give in to the desire of owners/breeders · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · We were talking about the North American racing calendar which has been shortening for years now....I used to be labelled a heretic but now those same people recognize what I saw in the 80's Long races today are SURVIVED, not won · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · dani: want to wager that ANY distances will lengthen in the forseeable future? There are NO domestic sources of stamina on the main track, period · 132 days ago ·

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marylandgq · "vic": I could care less if it takes a field 2 weeks to run 9f. You should know that part of handicapping a race is to "envision" how the race will be run, and that day/race I "envisioned" Drosselmeyer getting to the wire first AFTER "the rest of the field collapsed". IF that is what you call "lucked out", then I'll be happy to get lucky more often than not. · 132 days ago ·

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Dressage3295 · If they change the distance of any of the Triple Crown races, I will give up on American racing entirely · 132 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I wouldn't mind seeing faster 10f races. I think the 10f or longer races are being discussed here. Sorry, really not being facetious, but I fell asleep watching the '11 One Count Stakes. · 132 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · If you built them with Stamina and soundness, speed will be inevitable! · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · watch the Ascot Gold Cup and you will get lots of sleep: 20 furlongs · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · quote: If you built them with Stamina and soundness, speed will be inevitable! ...not really fast twitch fibers are there or they are not....Speed is born not made. · 132 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · TV..You're one of those guys in college that have a one way path of thinking. Professor throw a curve ball at them during exam and they freak out. So let me think outside the box for you. If you have horse with stamina and soundness(foundation) breeders will eventually mix in speed(which the US is full of) which will produce some great colts/fillies. Eventually get get back the breeding shed before the 80's. · 132 days ago ·

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dani.pugh · Travel, i never said they would increase. I just named you several stamina influences on dirt, in this country. My point is we don't train for it anymore either. It's not all just about the breeders. · 132 days ago ·

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travel_vic · When you refer to a person in a sentence is phrases ..in college WHO has one way of thinking. I live in the antifragile world of Talbe Nassem, I abhor routine, and oft quote the statement by Heraclitus "You never step in the same river twice," so your psychological help 5 cents, does not cut it here. · 131 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Having said that I KNOW genetics, and the archaic phenotype breeding is a complete crap shoot once the genes are ranmdomly redistributed in meiosis. Science has NO idea which genes or groups of genes of linked genes or operant genes create speed stamina etc. I doubt there is a single path, so breeding becomes a crap shoot. Always has been. · 131 days ago ·

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travel_vic · In Functional Ultrastructure of cells taught by Dr. Sjostrand from Karlinska Instutue, I recieved the highest marks of the class for creating a new (subsequently found to be incorrect) model of cell membrance synthesis. OUTSIDE the box is where I live. · 131 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · And yet your thinking is within the box. You're define a pessimist. · 131 days ago ·

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zxswordxz · *You · 131 days ago ·

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travel_vic · No having been actively a member of this game in and outside the press box for years, I have become a realist and all this pretty horsey baloney has been put in perspective · 131 days ago ·

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goblin · t_v, Current research (since the mapping of the equine genome) is beginning to hone in on the genes responsible for speed,etc., in the thoroughbred. Myostatin (MSTN) variants seem to be partially responsible, with the locus known for at least one. There is a test being marketed by at least one of the performance genetics companies. The test is for colts/fillies already "on the ground", not as a predictor for the breeding shed. Here is a link to one of the studies--done by a group from the UK I think. Dr. Emmeline Hill is a primary researcher in this area. I believe she is part of a company doing the marketing. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3091701/ · 131 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Granted but you are looking AFTER THE FACT. How can one GET that precise genetic combination into a sperm or ova, and secondarily will it be expressed in the individual? Many genetic qualities are augmented or retarded by operator genes that come with the specific gene is question. Linked genes are only expressed if all are there.......THINK about the complete RANDOMNESS of the process and you will realize that knowing that is FINE for the individual who is already here, but NO WAY can anyone predict it in a breeding. · 131 days ago ·

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goblin · Yes, t_v, absolutely after the fact. The randomness and possible combinations during breeding are pretty much infinite. I do think breeders/owners are going to be using the new tests as they become available though. · 131 days ago ·

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travel_vic · But POTENTIAL is just that. A certain probability that this or that WILL happen.......Someone has a smart marketing agent like the one who cons people to buy breathe rite strips for horses. · 131 days ago ·

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goblin · Yes, I have no idea how accurate the tests are or will prove to be. I find the research interesting, but realize it's being used for monetary gain. · 131 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · I haven't read the article but I must ask this: Can you imagine someone breeding to Drosselmeyer when Flower Alley and Distorted Humor are still alive and well? · 131 days ago ·

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