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Golden Broom

1917 - Horse | Deceased

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Golden Broom

He wasn't undefeated...he lost to man o war and upset....but he could've been a very good horse if he didn't get hurt

Posted by TampaBayDowns Fan · 37 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · When I find my source I will share it. · 37 days ago ·

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larooski · A horse named Golden Broom finished 3rd to Upset and Man O'War in the 1919 Sanford Memorial-4.9k for 2yos Aug 13th at Saratoga. Upset won by 1/2 a length over Man O'War. It was another 3 back to Golden Broom in the 6f race over a fast track. The final time for the 6f was 1:11 1/5. Upset carried 115 lbs. Man O'War and Golden Broom carried 130lbs. · 37 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Yes, we know. · 37 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Except that Man O' War won, not Upset. · 37 days ago ·

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larooski · then why did you say he retired undefeated in 12 starts? And Upset definitely won the 1919 Sanford over MOW. That was MOW's only loss. Everybody knows that. Well almost everybody. MOW had a slow start and was gaining but lost by 1/2 length giving 15 pounds to the winner. MOW was .55-1. If your going to correct somebody, at least be right. · 37 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · ya man o' war didnt win that race....i thought everyone knew tha....oops.well he didn't win, lost by 1/2 legnth. Upset was in record time in order to beat this champ · 37 days ago ·

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Mary Z. · I found out that Golden Broom cost three times what Man O'War did as a yearling, which was only $15,600 to $5,000 for Man O' War, but then those are 1918 prices, and that Golden Broom's original name was Switch. The undefeated part is not correct. Why'd it take 76 days to notice that? lol. Was that a test, cocoa? · 37 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · I thought Man O' War lost a race that was not the Sanford. Upset did not break a record, Man O' War broke horribly and Loftus "took him everywhere on the track that day but the ladie" · 37 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · 's room · 37 days ago ·

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travel_vic · whenever ol' Cocoa TRIES to relate history, fabrication fills the cracks of the comments · 36 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · TV caught me, I was reading a wikipedia article and must have switched names or something. Anyway, Golden Broom was the Riddle's relative's colt, and while he LOOKED better than Man O' War he was not in the long run (quite obviously). He was smaller, a top class sprinter. Now in the Sanford it was before the starting gate, and all the had was a barrier. The jocks used to have their horses break the barrier in the hope Man O' War would too and loose energy. On the Sanford day the jocks excericised this, but a new starter was in place. Fearing a finish he had once had where the horses had been at the barrier for I believe 90 minutes, he let the horses off t the closest shot. Man O' War was turned around, facing the starter not the open track. He was a good 10 lengths off a slow pace set by Upset, and got boxed in mid pack by Loftus. Loftus then finally got him to the outside in the homestretch, and he could have won it, but instead Loftus brought him to the inside again, and he was blocked again, and he had to go to the outside AGAIN, loosing a lot of ground and catching up to upset only in time to hit the wire second, a neck back. Nobody thought Upset won that day but Upset's trainer himself, Rowe I think his name was, and he tried Upset vs. Man O' War several more times, Upset crushed each time. · 36 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · when he beat man o war he broke a record. just throwin' that out that incase you care · 36 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Didn't stand for long I believe. · 36 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Golden never beat Man O'War. His onlloss to Upset was in 1`:11 1/5 NOT a track record either...Where or where do you get our information? · 35 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · When UPSET beat Man O' War, he set a new track record. With a time of 1.11/5. The track record was 1.13 and 2. Read a book by D. Ours called "Man O War A Legend Like Lightning" to learn more about it. · 35 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · And golden broom did beat Man O' War in some workouts, like the one right before his first race. but thats only because the excercise rider did everything he could to get MOW beat for a higher price on the horse. · 35 days ago ·

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larooski · It wasn't a track record. MOW got a 95 DRF 'speed rating' (not a Beyer of course but the speed rating you see between the odds of a horse and the names of the top 3 finishers in the DRF). If MOW got a 95 a lost by a half length there is no way Upset got a 100 which would mean he equaled the track record. Going by MOW's speed rating of a 95 and the fact that he was on 1/2 length behind the winner, they were about 1 second of the record. A speed rating point is worth 1/5 of a second. Five points from 100 means 1 second behind the record. · 35 days ago ·

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larooski · for example MOW got a 132 speed rating in winning the 1920 Ken Park Gold Cup over Sir Barton. That means he broke the track record by 6 and 2/5 seconds. Sir Barton who was 7 lengths back got a 125 speed rating meaning he broke the track record by 5 seconds himself but was 7 lengths behind MOW. Secretariat got a 113 in the Belmont meaning he broke the TR by 2 and 3/5 seconds. · 35 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · Work outs are not races, Golden Broom won a 4f heat because Man O' War was not mature enough to get "his feet untangled". Golden Broom had nothing on Man O' War but looks. · 35 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · exactly what i said..he didnt beat man o war.....And in one of MOW's book , it says Upset broke the record. · 35 days ago ·

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larooski · The Saratoga record for 6f in the summer of 1919 was about 1:10 and 2/5. MOW ran that distance at Saratoga 4 times in a row in August. · 35 days ago ·

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footlick · it might have been the stakes record · 35 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · You said he did beat Man O' War, "golden broom did beat Man O' War in some workouts", which is irrelevant because workouts are training for races and can not be compared. Upset broke nothing but the barrier. Man O' War missed many records by slim margins and broke many with his head in his chest. If not for Riddle's smart judgement to keep him from extending himself he may have hurt or killed himself at top speed. Look at Sec's Belmont, in a horses stride there is a point where the horse is off the ground, and a point where it has only one foot on the ground. The stress between these too is huge, as is the stress on the leading foot, as it has 2 tons of moving flesh on it. If it breaks everything is over. · 35 days ago ·

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footlick · the Sanford started running in the year 1913. The stakes record before the 1919 running was 1:13.40. So the time of 1:11.20 set a new stakes record that stood until 1944 when the Doge ran it in 1:10.40. So, Upset did break more than the barrier, cocoa2. · 35 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · Thank you Footlick!! Finally some sense. · 35 days ago ·

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cocoa2 · No, Cocoa hasn't got a lick of sense. I'll make sure to not answer your questions anymore with senseless information. Too bad about Shergar. · 35 days ago ·

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footlick · cocoa- don't be bitter. I know you know how to research. That is all it took, looking up the history of the Sanford. Thoroughbred knowledge is all research, because so much happened before all of us were born. It's great that kids your age want to learn and debate about things. Keep it up! · 35 days ago ·

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TampaBayDowns Fan · i didn't mean to sound mean. I just meant sense in a term in which means orderly fashion as in somebody agrees with me. Didn't mean it like you had no sense, because of course, i dont know you and if you have sense or not. And this conversation is not about him, its about Man O' War. · 35 days ago ·

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Golden Broom

Retired undefeated in 12 starts

Posted by cocoa2 · 113 days ago ·

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travel_vic · If this is the colt of Man O'Wars time period, he was beaten several times · 112 days ago ·

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The Upset of Man o’ War: A Moment in Time

The date was August 13, 1919. The Chicago White Sox were just weeks away from shaking everyone’s faith in America’s pastime, and in the world of thoroughbred horse racing, the fates were preparing to conspire against perhaps our greatest thoroughbred in history. After six overpowering juvenile victo...Read More

Posted 180 days ago ·

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jpflugheber · Man O' War is, without a doubt, my favorite racehorse of all time. Always has been. Thanks for this article, Brian. · 180 days ago ·

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Saratoga John · A postscript to this story, the only loss of the great Man O' War's career is that the term, "upset" hadn't been used to describe what we consider a favorite losing any type of sporting event. By virtue of his "upset" of Man O' War, Upset, the thoroughbred became part of our sports lexicon. · 180 days ago ·

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Celeste · Thanks for this, Brian. My first love - Man O' War. I fell in love with a portrait of him when I was ten years old. · 180 days ago ·

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yukichan · ...he is "da mostest hoss"...thank you for recounting the Sanford for us! · 180 days ago ·

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MichaelHarris · hate to be a killjoy, but http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/upset · 180 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · MichaelHarris : Obviously this site is flawed as it "shamelessly" states Man o War was the best horse of all time not to even mention the slandering of Citation. "KILROY WAS HERE" · 180 days ago ·

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BrianZipse · Thank you, Michael, you beat me to it. The horse, Upset, is NOT the origin of the surprising sports outcome, as so commonly believed. Icyhotboo, as if often the case with your comments, I have no idea what you are talking about. · 179 days ago ·

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Lee AnneFoley · Good article. Man o'War will always be my favorite. I doubt we will ever see another such consistently dominating performer. · 179 days ago ·

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rayjay · Quoting from THE GREAT ONES, published by the Bloodhorse in 1970. A contemporary writer observed: "Man o' War is the champion. He never was so great as he was in defeat . . . He overcame two of his rider's errors and would have made amends for the third if it had not been committed so close to the winning post. He stood a drive such as no other colt had been asked to do in the last 20 years without flinching . . . Never will his courage be questioned henceforth. It was an unknown quality, for he had never before been put to test. When the test came, he was not found wanting . . ." · 179 days ago ·

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FadiHosn · I enjoyed reading this article, thank you for publishing it. I believe Man o' War was the best horse of all time. · 179 days ago ·

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icyhotboo · @BrianZipse : "KILROY" left his mark in every European country during WWII and he is forgotten already, so sad.Sorry Brian but a link to a site "TOUTING" Man o War as the best horse is not the place to go for etymology correctness.As for not understanding me I'm sorry about that but I don't feel the need for lengthy explanations on simple subjects except in this case.Have a nice day. · 179 days ago ·

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leslie_thomas11 · It really is a shame he got beat, it would have been great if he could have gone undefeated. But he was still a great horse. · 178 days ago ·

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RyanBrady · If only they invented a starting gate 20 years earlier... · 178 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Riddle would have never allowed him in what he called the contraption..Do you not recall his pushing for no starting gate in the War Admiral Sebiscuit match race?? · 178 days ago ·

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CraigBradshaw · white sox became known as the black sox. famous quote was "say it ain't so, joe". in this case it could have been "say it ain't so, man o' ". · 177 days ago ·

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travel_vic · Both the rider and the starter for the Sanford were forever run out of the racing game after this contest and forced to take the "blame" of a simple error in judgement. · 176 days ago ·

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