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Count Fleet Silks Breed, Own & Train horses like
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Deceased
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Kentucky (USA) by Mrs. John D. Hertz  -  [Add Data]
Pedigree:
Reigh Count  -  Quickly  by  Haste
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Count Fleet 5
Count Fleet 6
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Who do you think was the best racehorse to compete in the 1940's? Citation? Whirlaway? Count Fleet? Alsab? Post, discuss and debate, please! I'll give the nod to Citation, but not by much. I hope one of these two threads blow up.
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  • goblin · buckpasser, Yes, thank you, we're okay, although the tornado watches/warnings have been pretty much the norm for weeks now. Usually the danger passes in a few hours with no actual "touch downs"; but God forbid when one does. · 573 days ago
  • buckpasser · Goblin. Glad to hear it. In NC, I have had tornados touch down in neighboring counties, but not ( knock on wood) in mine. · 573 days ago
what Triple Crown winner (excluding Secretariat for obvious reasons) do you think was the best?
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  • On The Gallop's · Hard to argue that Citation is not the best triple crown horse. Affirmed would be another I would choose. · 583 days ago
  • rafirox · I put Citation #1 as well, OTG, but there's definitely a very strong argument for placing others #1. IMO, it was surely between Citation and Count Fleet. It's a very valid argument either way. I give the nod to Citation. I feel Count Fleet had a great season, not a great career. If not for injury after the Belmont, this would not be an issue. However, he never faced older males and from every book I've read, he had a weak crop with him. His Belmont was tremendous, he dominated the Triple Crown. He never came out of the money in 21 starts. He won the Belmont by 25 lengths. However, I believe Citation was the better horse. He reeled in win after win, which was certainly impressive, and he did it facing TOUGHER competition that Count Fleet did. Citation faced Noor and others and beat them on a regular basis. He was somewhat of a good weight carrier (carried 126 as a 2yr old), he won 32 of 45 starts (only once not in money, despite the incredible competeition he faced) and so forth. These are two I am not educated enough about (compared to others, like Whirlaway) so perhpas my perspective could be easily countered by LAZ or Buckpasser with more thorough evidence and better points. Either way, these are just my two cents. · 583 days ago
Yes he was awesome. But Secretariat broke and still holds the record for all three Triple Crown races. Thus he trumps the other greats because of his record times and he out raced them all.
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  • travel_vic · TIME is only a single aspect of awe. Best work I EVER SAW was on a wet training tack, 5f in 1:02 1/5 rider lost the irons and still ran an amazing 5 furlongs......Any other surface with any spring to it and we would be talking about a 58 range. · 642 days ago
  • Mary Z. · Sorry, but this is what I was talking about. 5 hours ago, horses were running, right then and there, in live races. Right? · 642 days ago
I find it utterly stunning that Count Fleet won the Belmost, was never worse than third, won the Derby, Preaknes, WIthers, and Belmont, by THIRTY lengths, and he is still almost 20 horses down on the top 250 list. Why is that? Because he accomplished much more than Secretariat and is still considered 'the greatest'. Yes, he was a stunning animal, and I wish he could have lived much longer, but Count FLeet astonished the country in 1943. Everyone seems to have forgotten the brown lightning blot that took the racing word by storm 27 years before Secretariat was even thought of.
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  • footlick · Long den also blamed himself for Count Fleet's losses early in his career. He said if he had ridden him correctly nobody would have beaten him · 747 days ago
  • CreativeCause · His sire, Reigh Count actually bit a horse in one of his races. · 746 days ago
Won four of the biggest races in horse racing in just over a month and in the last race, he destroyed the field. Now that's CLASS.
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  • zxswordxz · Yes it is...Taking the word from Bull Hancock - If you can get the Sire you want, get the next best thing, his son(Nasrullah). I say the same thing for Galileo...get one of his son to the US breeding shed. · 746 days ago
  • buckpasser · Bobby Flay is a real throw back to the old time breeders who looked to Europe for top horses to improve the American blood lines. Unfortunately, too many who race today are not really interested in running a breeding operation and hence buy their horses at the sales in the US. Few buy outside of this country. Years ago the top owners would get together and bring a Rock Sand, Sir Gallahad, Bull Dog and Ribot etc. here to improve the breed. I wish Bobby Flay nothing but success. Because if he is successful, more will do it to the betterment of the racing stock. · 746 days ago
Any list that doesn't have him in the top 10 tells me the voters don't have any idea of horse racing's history.
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  • CreativeCause · People are like that, they think they know all about the triple crown (I certainly don't) fun fact, there was eleven to you people that don't know · 747 days ago
  • cocoa2 · And then I was informed last June that IHA was already the triple crown winner · 747 days ago
i think horse racing fans have forgotten the 6th triple crown winner who won the belmont by 25 lengths!
  • Buckpasser · A lot of great ones have been forgotten. The Count was also a great broodmare sire, as Kelsos dam Maid of Flight was by Count Fleet. Also sired a KD winner in Count Turf and a classic winner in Counterpoint. · 890 days ago
  • Dressage3295 · Amazing horse. My father's and grandfather's shared favorite. · 890 days ago
How is he not ranked higher! he sould be five!
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  • travel_vic · Many is the time the respected rider Johnny Longden described him as the best even though he was in the Coffroft Handicap that day in the thirties when Phar Lap broke the track record in his only North American contest...This one was superior to the remaining three year olds his Tripel crown season that we may never really know · 913 days ago
  • buckpasser · Those who saw the Count race, like my father felt he was the greatest or on the par of MOW and Exterminator both of which my dad saw in person. · 913 days ago
Won four of the biggest races in horse racing in just over a month and in the last race, he destroyed the field. Now that's CLASS.
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  • AnnaK · Laz, I think Northlands made believers out of alot of us. They had such a good thing going on until maybe a decade ago. In Toronto we live minutes away from the old racetrack down by the water, now a park. Go running around the same oval, next to a street called Northern Dancer. None of this is lost on me. Bet the horses loved the cooler breezes down by the water. So nice to meet you Laz, and loved all your info about Zenyatta's times by the way, what makes HRN so good. Hope your sons are thriving in booming beautiful northern Alberta. · 944 days ago
  • LAZMANNICK · Nice to meet you too Anna. I find your very rerfreshing and enthusiastic and you certaqinly know a lot about the sport. I take it you live close to the Beaches. I remember years ago when we used to go the the harness races at Greenwood and then slip down Queen Street to the original Lick's burger-hotdog place. Yummy yummy. They not only fed us they used to sing to us also. · 944 days ago
Lazmanick, you seem to be intelligent and unbiased. So, tell me, you say Count Fleet and Secretariat's Belmonts can not be compared because of the 2:24 of Secretariat, is that the only reason? First, Count Fleet ran the Derby, the Preakness one week later, then the Withers then the Belmont on a bad hoof. And, he was not ridden out in the stretch for the "record". Now, Easy Goer who I love but is not on anyones top 5 list (and by the way, the HRN list really is incorrect but I'll leave that one alone), anyway, Easy ran in 2:26, does that make him the second greatest horse ever? And, 2:24 is great for a 3 year old but horses 4 and up have run in that time and 2:23! And, this "list" Count Fleet isn't in the top 100? Are you kidding me????
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  • shores · count fleet is simply a great horse.... there's no denying it, regardless of what the HRN community ranks him. · 1232 days ago
  • LAZMANNICK · Lorraineloyd…..I hope you don’t mind a long post. First of all I am a Count Fleet fan through and through and have stated on an earlier post that of the top 5 or 6 horses all-time in North America, he seems to be talked about the least. I also posted to you in the past about Count Fleet’s work ethic during his Triple Crown……The Derby was his 18h lifetime race. Leading up to it he ran in a 1-70 yard allowance on April 13……the Wood Memorial at 8.5F on April 17…….worked 4F on April 28, 10F the next day and 4F again on April 30…….The Derby was on May 1, he than worked 6F on May 5, 3F on May 7, ran in the Preakness on May 8, worked 5F on May 15, 7F on May 18, 3F on May 21, ran in the one mile Withers on May 22, worked 3F on May 31, a mile on June 1, 3F on June 3, and the 12F Belmont on June 5……………..Perhaps if Secretariat would have had to follow this work ethic he wouldn’t have run any faster than Count Fleet did in his Belmont. That being said you cannot compare the two Belmonts. Count Fleet’s was against two horses. One of them, Fairy Manhurst was coming into the June 5th Belmont off back to back 12F races at Belmont on May 22nd and May 31st. The other, Deseronto, raced five times in May, all routes including 12F on May 14 and again on May 31st. They were well used. Count Fleet’s fractions (in 5ths) were 6F in 1.12.3, mile in 1.37.4, 10F in 2.03,3 and 12F in 2.28.1. In contrast, Secretariat’s same fractions were 1.09.4, 1.34.2, 1.59 and 2.24 (still the world’s record). Secretariat ran the fastest Belmont ever and Count Fleet tied for the 20th fastest. Easy Goer might have run the second fastest Belmont ever at 2.26 (tied with AP Indy), but there have been faster 12F races at Belmont including Prove Out’s 2.25.80 when defeating Secretariat in the Woodward. The world’s record for 12F on turf (I believe) is still held by Hawkster in 1988 at Santa Anita in 2.22.80. Like you I don’t put a lot of faith in the Horse Racing Nation all time polls because many who vote haven’t been in tune with the sport long enough to properly evaluate the old time horses. However, Count Fleet definitely is a top six in my book. · 1232 days ago
Sorry Cy, I misspelled your name, but lets give great horses their due!
  • LAZMANICK · Kudos for posting a blog about Count Fleet who, as I wrote in an earlier post, is one of the least talked about of the top five or six horses all-time in N/A. Champion at two and three as well as HOY at three, he was remarkable, but before I go on, you cannot compare his Belmont to Secretariat’s, whose time of 2.24 is I believe still a world’s record and was the fastest time since Gallant Man posted a time of 2.26.60 in 1957. Count Fleet did have the distinction of running the fastest Belmont when he won it in 1943, a time that would be tied by Citation 5 years later……..The thing about Count Fleet was his tremendous work ethic. The Derby was his 18h lifetime race. Leading up to it he ran in a 1-70 yard allowance on April 13……the Wood Memorial at 8.5F on April 17…….worked 4F on April 28, 10F the next day and 4F again on April 30…….The Derby was on May 1, he than worked 6F on May 5, 3F on May 7, ran in the Preakness on May 8, worked 5F on May 15, 7F on May 18, 3F on May 21, ran in the one mile Withers on May 22, worked 3F on May 31, a mile on June 1, 3F on June 3, and the 12F Belmont on June 5……………..Perhaps if Secretariat would have had to follow this work ethic he wouldn’t have run any faster than Count Fleet did in his Belmont……..Count Fleet, along with Secretariat, has the distinction (I believe) of the greatest combined margin of victory for all the TC winners at 36 lengths …..A great horse that sadly is not often mentioned by new comers to the sport. · 1238 days ago
P.S. I know Secretariat has the record, but think about it, Count Fleet won the Derby, the Preakness ONE WEEK LATER, then a race (I believe the Withers?) and then the Belmont, in which he was NOT ridden out and was NOT out for a record and hurt is hoof at the beginning which allegedly was why he retired, so???? Give credit where credit is due? And, didn't he get the stakes record in the Belmont?????
  • footlick · and remember Count Fleet injured his leg in the Wood Memorial so he did all of this on a leg that was not completely healed. He reinjured it in the Belmont, which is why they eventually retired him after trying to get it to heal and bring him back. He was one of the most brilliant horses. · 1238 days ago
you can tell how passionate I am, but if Easy Goer won the second fastest Belmont, then does that make him a better horse than, Count Fleet or Ciation or???? I don't think Easy Goer (and I LOVE him) is in anyones top 5!!!
I think Man O' War is the greatest followed by (in no particular order) I repeat, Spectacular Bid, Whirlaway, Count Fleet, Citation and Secretariat. Why are people so overly dramatic with Secretariat's Belmont of 31 lengths, when Count Fleet won by 25?????
Count Fleet...1943 Triple Crown winner and Horse of the Year. Blood Horse magazine lists his as the #5 greatest horse of all time. With a career record of 21-16-4-1 he truly was amazine. Count Fleet won the Belmont Stakes by 25 lengths, a record which held until 1973 when of course the great Secretariat won it by 32 lengths. His illustious racing career ended after his 3 year old campaign, due to a leg injury. I have completed his career history but am having a hard time finding video from the 1940s. If anyone has video of Count Fleet please add them in.
  • footlick · I wish I did. One of the greats of all time. He injured his leg in the Wood, which was his first start as a 3 yr old, then re-injured it in the Belmont. · 1414 days ago

Count Fleet - Race Results & Past Performances

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Horse
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Tr
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Race
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View DetailsView Video06/05/43Count Fleet1stBel61 1/2mDBelmont Stakes  Count FleetFairy ManhurstDeseronto2:28.20
View Details05/22/43Count Fleet1stBel61 mileDWithers   Count FleetSlide RuleTip-Toe1:36.00
View Details05/08/43Count Fleet1stPim61 3/16 mDPreakness Stakes  Count FleetBlue SwordsVincentive1:57.40
View DetailsView Video05/01/43Count Fleet1stCD81 1/4 mDKentucky Derby 3 MCount FleetBlue SwordsSlide Rule2:04.00
View Details04/17/43Count Fleet1stJam51 1/16 mDWood Memorial  Count FleetBlue SwordsTwoses1:43.00
View Details04/13/43Count Fleet1stJam51 70yDAllow  Count FleetBossuetTowser1:42.80
View Details11/10/42Count Fleet1stPim61 1/16 mDWalden  Count FleetUncle BilliesRough Doc1:44.80
View Details10/31/42Count Fleet1stPim61 1/16 mDPimlico Futurity  Count FleetOccupationVincentive1:43.60
View Details10/20/42Count Fleet1stJam51 70yDAllow  Count FleetTowserJack S. L.1:44.00
View Details10/10/42Count Fleet1stBel51 mileDChampagne  Count FleetBlue SwordsAttendant1:34.80
View Details10/03/42Count Fleet3rdBel46 1/2 fDFuturity  OccupationAskmenowCount Fleet1:51.20
View Details09/24/42Count Fleet1stBel66 fDAllow  Count FleetBulls EyeJack S. L.1:10.60
View Details09/15/42Count Fleet1stAqu56 fDAllow  Count FleetVery SnootyNoonday Sun1:12.00
View Details08/15/42Count Fleet2ndWaP66 fDWashington Futurity  OccupationCount FleetBlue Swords1:12.00
View Details08/11/42Count Fleet1stWaP66 fDAllow  Count FleetBlue SwordsHygrohour1:13.00
View Details07/22/42Count Fleet1stEMP55 1/2 fDWakefield  Count FleetRuralesGold Shower1:07.80
View Details07/15/42Count Fleet2ndEMP55 1/2 fDEast View  Gold ShowerCount FleetRurales1:08.00
View Details07/04/42Count Fleet1stEMP45 1/2 fDAllow  Count FleetSamharBullpen1:05.80
View Details06/19/42Count Fleet1stAqu35 1/2 fDMSW  Count FleetSewrd BoundCrest1:06.00
View Details06/15/42Count Fleet2ndAqu55 1/2 fDMSW  SupermontCount FleetQuiz1:06.20
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