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Count Fleet

1940 - Horse | Deceased
Owner(s):
Mrs. John D. Hertz  - 
Trainer:
G. D. Cameron
Bred:
Kentucky (USA) by Mrs. John D. Hertz  -  [Add Data]
Pedigree:
Reigh Count  -  Quickly  by  Haste
Rating:
 
 
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What the Nation is saying about Count Fleet...

Won four of the biggest races in horse racing in just over a month and in the last race, he destroyed the field. Now that's CLASS.
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  • airedale2008 · I agree with Mary. buckpasser, you have taught me volumes from your personal experience. You do it in a manner that is not so irritating and aggravating, as some seem to relish in. Keep up the good work, I need to learn more. · 3 hours ago ·
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  • LAZMANNICK · Mary that’s a tough one Mary and requires a lot of research, and most of the required info I don’t have. I do remember that Sherluck finished 5th and was well beaten by 6 to 8 lengths in both the Derby and Preakness in 1961 to Carry Back. He then won the Belmont when they altered his running style and kept him close to the pace at 65-1 while Carry Back, who might have been a TC winner that year, suffered an ankle injury during the race and finished 7th. Carry Back’s Derby was amazing as at the top of the stretch and well into it he was nowhere then he made a big closing finish and got up in time. In 2004 Birdstone finished 8th by 15 plus lengths in the Derby then beat Smarty Jones in the Belmont at 36-1. In 2000 Commendable finished 17th in the Derby beaten by 26 lengths then won the Belmont by 1 ½ lengths defeating Aptitude at 18-1. I think it would be hard to find a Belmont winner with worse Derby credentials, beaten lengths and position, than Commendable. · 49 minutes ago ·
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Let’s take a look at some comparisons between I’ll Have Another and the holders of racing’s Holy Grail…Read More
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  • wcbguy1 · HE Come a long way, I'll have another was even in the talk of winning the derby and he won it. Then he had doubters when coming in the prekaness stakes, and now he'l prove all his doubters wrong in the belmont. trust me. · 1 day ago ·
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  • wcbguy1 · ingore that comment down below.HE Come a long way, I'll have another was not even in the talk of winning the derby and he won it. Then he had doubters when coming in the prekaness stakes, and now he'l prove all his doubters wrong in the belmont. trust me. · 1 day ago ·
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Won four of the biggest races in horse racing in just over a month and in the last race, he destroyed the field. Now that's CLASS.
Count Fleet won the "street car" Kentucky Derby, for which no tickets could be sold to out-of-town spectators due to wartime travel restrictions.Read More
Upset, the only horse ever to defeat Man o' War, died at age 24.Read More
Buckpasser suffered the only defeat of his three-year-old season when he finished second in a non-betting race, the Black Caesar Purse, at Hialeah.Read More
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  • BrianZipse · Don't forget who else was injured that spring ... Graustark. · 102 days ago ·
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  • footlick · yes, Brian. Anybody who saw him could not forget him. And Baeza chose Graustark over Buckpasser, I believe. I know he was on record saying Graustark was the best horse he ever rode. · 102 days ago ·
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Blogger Matt Shifman takes a historical look at the New York Derby trail, as well as, what an infusion of money could mean to this year's road to Louisville through the Big Apple ...Read More
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  • AndyScoggin · UPDATE: Here are some purse comparisons for MSW/Allowance NW1. New York: 65/62, Parx: 45/47, Santa Anita: 56/58, Gulfstream: 52/54 · 125 days ago ·
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  • AndyScoggin · UPDATE: The Withers closes with 42 nominations of which 20 are also entered in Sunday'sHoly Bull at GP. If Hansen runs in the Holy Bull that could mean a nice field at AQU. Withers nominees include: Algorithms, Alpha, Big Blue Nation, Casual Trick, Consortium, Discreet Dancer, Howe Great, My Adonis, Optimizer, Reveron, State of Play, and Trinniberg. All are nominated for the Holy Bull except State of Play. · 124 days ago ·
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The Top 10 Horses to run on American soil according to ZATT. Let’s count it down…10) Native Dancer - The Gray Ghost was racing’s first television star and so dominated his peers of 1952 through 1954...Read More
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  • LAZMANNICK · No argument from me. I might place Count Fleet a little higher. Two honorable mentions are Buckpasser and Round Table. If Buckpasser wouldn’t have been injured and would have competed in the TC races (the same year he won 13 in a row) I have no doubt he would have won the TC (he defeated the winners of all three races that year), and in doing so he would be considered probably in the top six or seven. Round Table raced in what is arguably the best three year old crop ever in N/A. He won carrying huge weights, at distances as short as 4F and as long as 13F, and was probably one of America’s all time best turf horses though he is possibly best remembered for his prowess on dirt. Certainly a great lot of horses. · 130 days ago ·
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  • cocoa2 · I'd put Kelso a bit higher, but all in all I agree. Man O' War ahead of Secretariat, but just by a nose. · 130 days ago ·
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Any list that doesn't have him in the top 10 tells me the voters don't have any idea of horse racing's history.
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  • TheSecondBigRed · Most of the fans on here are either teenage girls, or middle aged men. · 467 days ago ·
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  • Cocoa2 · Nothing is more true. · 168 days ago ·
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I find it utterly stunning that Count Fleet won the Belmost, was never worse than third, won the Derby, Preaknes, WIthers, and Belmont, by THIRTY lengths, and he is still almost 20 horses down on the top 250 list. Why is that? Because he accomplished much more than Secretariat and is still considered 'the greatest'. Yes, he was a stunning animal, and I wish he could have lived much longer, but Count FLeet astonished the country in 1943. Everyone seems to have forgotten the brown lightning blot that took the racing word by storm 27 years before Secretariat was even thought of.
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  • footlick · also agree on that. But Buckpasser is underrated by many, I feel · 267 days ago ·
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  • Cocoa2 · Count Fleet is and has always been forgotten and underrated. · 215 days ago ·
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Lazmanick, you seem to be intelligent and unbiased. So, tell me, you say Count Fleet and Secretariat's Belmonts can not be compared because of the 2:24 of Secretariat, is that the only reason? First, Count Fleet ran the Derby, the Preakness one week later, then the Withers then the Belmont on a bad hoof. And, he was not ridden out in the stretch for the "record". Now, Easy Goer who I love but is not on anyones top 5 list (and by the way, the HRN list really is incorrect but I'll leave that one alone), anyway, Easy ran in 2:26, does that make him the second greatest horse ever? And, 2:24 is great for a 3 year old but horses 4 and up have run in that time and 2:23! And, this "list" Count Fleet isn't in the top 100? Are you kidding me????
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  • shores · count fleet is simply a great horse.... there's no denying it, regardless of what the HRN community ranks him. · 288 days ago ·
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  • LAZMANNICK · Lorraineloyd…..I hope you don’t mind a long post. First of all I am a Count Fleet fan through and through and have stated on an earlier post that of the top 5 or 6 horses all-time in North America, he seems to be talked about the least. I also posted to you in the past about Count Fleet’s work ethic during his Triple Crown……The Derby was his 18h lifetime race. Leading up to it he ran in a 1-70 yard allowance on April 13……the Wood Memorial at 8.5F on April 17…….worked 4F on April 28, 10F the next day and 4F again on April 30…….The Derby was on May 1, he than worked 6F on May 5, 3F on May 7, ran in the Preakness on May 8, worked 5F on May 15, 7F on May 18, 3F on May 21, ran in the one mile Withers on May 22, worked 3F on May 31, a mile on June 1, 3F on June 3, and the 12F Belmont on June 5……………..Perhaps if Secretariat would have had to follow this work ethic he wouldn’t have run any faster than Count Fleet did in his Belmont. That being said you cannot compare the two Belmonts. Count Fleet’s was against two horses. One of them, Fairy Manhurst was coming into the June 5th Belmont off back to back 12F races at Belmont on May 22nd and May 31st. The other, Deseronto, raced five times in May, all routes including 12F on May 14 and again on May 31st. They were well used. Count Fleet’s fractions (in 5ths) were 6F in 1.12.3, mile in 1.37.4, 10F in 2.03,3 and 12F in 2.28.1. In contrast, Secretariat’s same fractions were 1.09.4, 1.34.2, 1.59 and 2.24 (still the world’s record). Secretariat ran the fastest Belmont ever and Count Fleet tied for the 20th fastest. Easy Goer might have run the second fastest Belmont ever at 2.26 (tied with AP Indy), but there have been faster 12F races at Belmont including Prove Out’s 2.25.80 when defeating Secretariat in the Woodward. The world’s record for 12F on turf (I believe) is still held by Hawkster in 1988 at Santa Anita in 2.22.80. Like you I don’t put a lot of faith in the Horse Racing Nation all time polls because many who vote haven’t been in tune with the sport long enough to properly evaluate the old time horses. However, Count Fleet definitely is a top six in my book. · 288 days ago ·
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Sorry Cy, I misspelled your name, but lets give great horses their due!
  • LAZMANICK · Kudos for posting a blog about Count Fleet who, as I wrote in an earlier post, is one of the least talked about of the top five or six horses all-time in N/A. Champion at two and three as well as HOY at three, he was remarkable, but before I go on, you cannot compare his Belmont to Secretariat’s, whose time of 2.24 is I believe still a world’s record and was the fastest time since Gallant Man posted a time of 2.26.60 in 1957. Count Fleet did have the distinction of running the fastest Belmont when he won it in 1943, a time that would be tied by Citation 5 years later……..The thing about Count Fleet was his tremendous work ethic. The Derby was his 18h lifetime race. Leading up to it he ran in a 1-70 yard allowance on April 13……the Wood Memorial at 8.5F on April 17…….worked 4F on April 28, 10F the next day and 4F again on April 30…….The Derby was on May 1, he than worked 6F on May 5, 3F on May 7, ran in the Preakness on May 8, worked 5F on May 15, 7F on May 18, 3F on May 21, ran in the one mile Withers on May 22, worked 3F on May 31, a mile on June 1, 3F on June 3, and the 12F Belmont on June 5……………..Perhaps if Secretariat would have had to follow this work ethic he wouldn’t have run any faster than Count Fleet did in his Belmont……..Count Fleet, along with Secretariat, has the distinction (I believe) of the greatest combined margin of victory for all the TC winners at 36 lengths …..A great horse that sadly is not often mentioned by new comers to the sport. · 293 days ago ·
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P.S. I know Secretariat has the record, but think about it, Count Fleet won the Derby, the Preakness ONE WEEK LATER, then a race (I believe the Withers?) and then the Belmont, in which he was NOT ridden out and was NOT out for a record and hurt is hoof at the beginning which allegedly was why he retired, so???? Give credit where credit is due? And, didn't he get the stakes record in the Belmont?????
  • footlick · and remember Count Fleet injured his leg in the Wood Memorial so he did all of this on a leg that was not completely healed. He reinjured it in the Belmont, which is why they eventually retired him after trying to get it to heal and bring him back. He was one of the most brilliant horses. · 293 days ago ·
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you can tell how passionate I am, but if Easy Goer won the second fastest Belmont, then does that make him a better horse than, Count Fleet or Ciation or???? I don't think Easy Goer (and I LOVE him) is in anyones top 5!!!
I think Man O' War is the greatest followed by (in no particular order) I repeat, Spectacular Bid, Whirlaway, Count Fleet, Citation and Secretariat. Why are people so overly dramatic with Secretariat's Belmont of 31 lengths, when Count Fleet won by 25?????
Who are the greatest horses of all-time? It’s amazing how such a seemingly simple question can elicit such a varying array of passionate answers. Some swear there will never be another like Man O’ War, while others think the more recent Big Red was the improved version. Read More
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  • humphrey · Interesting that both Bold Ruler and Red has short lives......No longevity there unlike, for example, Round Table who was running around his paddock at Claiborne almost to age 35 · 485 days ago ·
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  • ~RuffianQueenOfRacing~ · Greatest male racehorse: Secretariat, world record for 1 1/2 mile, greatest female racehorse, Fashion, set world record for 4 miles whilst running in a match race against the great Boston! Fashion was undefeated in her first 20 starts! a record that is still untouched for any american female racehorse! · 329 days ago ·
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Count Fleet...1943 Triple Crown winner and Horse of the Year. Blood Horse magazine lists his as the #5 greatest horse of all time. With a career record of 21-16-4-1 he truly was amazine. Count Fleet won the Belmont Stakes by 25 lengths, a record which held until 1973 when of course the great Secretariat won it by 32 lengths. His illustious racing career ended after his 3 year old campaign, due to a leg injury. I have completed his career history but am having a hard time finding video from the 1940s. If anyone has video of Count Fleet please add them in.
  • footlick · I wish I did. One of the greats of all time. He injured his leg in the Wood, which was his first start as a 3 yr old, then re-injured it in the Belmont. · 470 days ago ·
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Count Fleet - Pedigree

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Reigh CountSunreighSundridge
Sweet Briar
ContessinaCount Schomberg
Pitti
QuicklyHaste Maintenant
Miss Malaprop
StephanieStefan The Great
Malachite

Count Fleet - Race Results & Past Performances

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View DetailsView Video06/05/431stJ LongdenBel61 1/2mDBelmont Stakes0 Count FleetFairy ManhurstDeseronto2:28.20
View Details05/22/431stJ LongdenBel61 mileDWithers 0 Count FleetSlide RuleTip-Toe1:36.00
View Details05/08/431stJ LongdenPim61 3/16 mDPreakness0 Count FleetBlue SwordsVincentive1:57.40
View DetailsView Video05/01/431stJ LongdenCD81 1/4 mDKentucky Derby03 MCount FleetBlue SwordsSlide Rule2:04.00
View Details04/17/431stJ LongdenJam51 1/16 mDWood Memorial0 Count FleetBlue SwordsTwoses1:43.00
View Details04/13/431stJ LongdenJam51 70yDAllow0 Count FleetBossuetTowser1:42.80
View Details11/10/421stJ LongdenPim61 1/16 mDWalden0 Count FleetUncle BilliesRough Doc1:44.80
View Details10/31/421stJ LongdenPim61 1/16 mDPimlico Futurity0 Count FleetOccupationVincentive1:43.60
View Details10/20/421stJ LongdenJam51 70yDAllow0 Count FleetTowserJack S. L.1:44.00
View Details10/10/421stJ LongdenBel51 mileDChampagne0 Count FleetBlue SwordsAttendant1:34.80
View Details10/03/423rdJ LongdenBel46 1/2 fDFuturity0 OccupationAskmenowCount Fleet1:51.20
View Details09/24/421stJ LongdenBel66 fDAllow0 Count FleetBulls EyeJack S. L.1:10.60
View Details09/15/421stJ LongdenAqu56 fDAllow0 Count FleetVery SnootyNoonday Sun1:12.00
View Details08/15/422ndJ LongdenWAS66 fDWashington Futurity0 OccupationCount FleetBlue Swords1:12.00
View Details08/11/421stJ LongdenWAS66 fDAllow0 Count FleetBlue SwordsHygrohour1:13.00
View Details07/22/421stJ LongdenEMP55 1/2 fDWakefield0 Count FleetRuralesGold Shower1:07.80
View Details07/15/422ndJ LongdenEMP55 1/2 fDEast View0 Gold ShowerCount FleetRurales1:08.00
View Details07/04/421stJ LongdenEMP45 1/2 fDAllow0 Count FleetSamharBullpen1:05.80
View Details06/19/421stJ LongdenAqu35 1/2 fDMSW0 Count FleetSewrd BoundCrest1:06.00
View Details06/15/422ndJ LongdenAqu55 1/2 fDMSW0 SupermontCount FleetQuiz1:06.20
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