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HRN Original Blog:
The Kentucky Derby Post

2014 Kentucky Derby Points Leaderboard

California Chrome wins 2014 San Felipe.
Photo: Benoit Photo

 

And so here we are. The final leg of the Championship Series is official. There are some surprising horses left out of the top 20. There is also one wild card race left, but should no other 3-yr-old earn more than 20 points by this time next week, and no 2014 Kentucky Derby starter withdraw, here is your top 20:

 

Rank  Horse  Points Stakes Earnings
1  California Chrome 150 $782,250
2  Vicar's in Trouble 120 $760,000
3  Dance With Fate 108 $600,000
4  Wicked Strong 102 $640,000
5  Samraat 100 $650,000
6  Danza 100 $620,000
7  Constitution 100 $600,000
8  Hoppertunity 95 $576,000
9  Intense Holiday 93 $527,500
10  Wildcat Red 90 $665,500
11  We Miss Artie 60 $544,000
12  Ride on Curlin 55 $354,387
13  Chitu 54 $440,000
14  Tapiture 52 $470,378
15  Midnight Hawk 52 $320,500
16  Ring Weekend 50 $260,000
17  General a Rod 40 $240,000
18  Medal Count 40 $226,500
19  Candy Boy 30 $380,000
20  Cairo Prince 24 $520,000
21  Uncle Sigh 24 $180,000
22  Vinceremos 20 $191,666
23  Harry's Holiday 20 $152,622
24  Commanding Curve 20 $140,000
25  Pablo Del Monte 20 $102,000
26  Bayern 20 $100,000
27  Social Inclusion 20 $100,000
28  Big Bazinga 14 $92,149
29  Coastline 13 $131,346
30  Strong Mandate 11 $479,166
31  In Trouble 10 $190,000
32  Noble Moon 10 $149,000
33  Cleburne 10 $127,044
34  Commissioner 10 $110,667
35  Schiverelli 10 $50,000
36  Conquest Titan 9 $210,945
38  Casiguapo 5 $272,717
39  Asserting Bear 5 $33,099 

 

Let’s begin with the contenders that did not score enough points to earn a spot in the Kentucky Derby.

 

Strong Mandate – If you were to tell me in January that this horse would not be starting in the Kentucky Derby I would not have believed you. I did not consider him a potential winner but I did think he would score enough to get in.

 

For the D. Wayne Lukas trained colt by Tiznow and Clear Mandate his best score was the G1 Hopeful Stakes. The problem now is that it was not a qualifier race. From there he started scoring; 3rd in the G1 Breeder’s Cup Juvenile, 2nd in the G3 Southwest Stakes.

 

That equaled 6 points coming into the G2 Rebel. The points were raised but Strong Mandate wasn't up for the occasion and finished 4th. 11 points required more and a top 3 finish in the Arkansas Derby was almost mandatory. Unfortunately, Strong Mandate once again failed to fire. The promising Juvenile will have to wait for another opportunity in his racing career before he can regain the promise he displayed in the G1 Hopeful.

 

Conquest Titan – I won’t say that I disagreed with his potential but I will say that I did argue his ranking on a few occasions. Trained by Mark Casse, by Birdstone and Miner’s Secret, he had one staple to his Juvenile Career; the Swynford Stakes, a win that broke his maiden at Woodbine. From there the Breeder’s Cup Juvenile did not go as planned (13th). Next was an Allowance Optional Claiming race at Churchill Downs that he won.

 

He may have seemed ready but after that race he didn't make the right moves or finish where he needed to. A 2nd place effort in the G2 Holy Bull (4 pts) followed by a 4th place finish in the G2 Tampa Bay Derby (5 pts) brought him to where he stands today, 9 points. Like Strong Mandate it was all or nothing in the G1 Arkansas Derby and a 5th place finish finalized his derby hopes.

 

Bayern – The hype proved to be just that. In my opinion this lightly raced colt could make a bigger impact down the line for Bob Baffert but now just isn’t the time. He trained very well leading up to the Arkansas Derby but he really could have used another Kentucky Derby prep race somewhere before today. 3rd place and 20 points is nothing to discredit but when you have a horse that skips his Juvenile season you’re stuck playing catch up. Should 20 points become enough for some horse to take the final spot, Bayern and Social Inclusion will not get the call. Tie breakers decide that and 3rd place finish in only one non-restricted graded stakes race will not be enough.

 

Commissioner – Danza’s win in the Arkansas Derby really did a lot of damage to the Kentucky Derby dreams of a lot of other connections. I personally didn’t think much of Commissioner's chances after he finished 3rd in the Sunland Derby (10 points) but some may have thought he would do enough in the Arkansas Derby to get in. However, his resume just doesn’t cut it. A 6th place finish coupled with another 6th place finish in the G2 Fountain of Youth leaves his 3rd place effort in the Sunland as his only score in races that awarded points.

 

On the Bubble

 

Vinceremos – The Blue Grass Stakes was littered with horses with zero or barely any Kentucky Derby points at all. That should explain why the Arkansas Derby is getting most of the attention for horses that are now on the outside looking in. Vinceremos though could have made a big move. From his position a 4th place finish is all he needed but it was not his day, not even close. Vinceremos is now the leading 20 point contender with a non-graded stakes earnings total of $191,666, most of which was earned at Tampa Bay Downs (Sam F. Davis, TB Derby). He’s down but not out should any two starters withdraw.

 

Harry’s Holiday – He is right behind Vinceremos with a non-graded stakes earnings total of $152,622. If I were in the position of his owners I would have done the same but his late Triple Crown nomination after a 2nd place finish in the G3 Spiral Stakes will not have any Kentucky Derby implications. He will need three starters to withdraw and I don’t see that happening.

 

Does anyone think the points system has eliminated a horse that should be starting? I can see the argument for a horse like Strong Mandate. When you look at his non-restricted graded stakes earnings there is no question he would be starting under the old system ($479,166). But, this system is “what have you done for me lately”. Strong Mandate hasn’t done much. Which goes back to the number one factor; should you be able to qualify so easily as a Juvenile? More than 1 1/16 doesn’t appear to be his best so maybe the system got it right?

 

That sums up the situation for a lot of camps that will be awaiting better news. However, there are also a few other surprises that we can touch on.

 

Danza – 41-1, zero Kentucky Derby Points, zero Kentucky Derby preps. It does not matter as he won the Arkansas Derby and is now going to the Kentucky Derby. Don’t like the points system? It does not matter; he’d still be going in the old system. ($620,000 in graded stakes earnings)

 

Dance with Fate – Under the radar but Dance with Fate is a perfect example of a horse gearing up for the big day. His connections, including trainer Peter Eurton, said the Blue Grass Stakes was the goal all along but what’s great about this contender is that he did enough before (2nd G1 FrontRunner, 2nd El Camino Real). A marvelous win today sends him soaring and he’s in with 108 points.

 

Medal Count – Wow, a late surge from off the grid to a Kentucky Derby starter in just 8 days. Yes, you read that correctly. On April 4 the Dale Romans colt by Dynaformer and Brisquette scored big for the first time in the G3 Translyvania. The win set him up to deliver after he failed in the G1 Breeder’s Cup and G2 Fountain of Youth and he did. 2nd place earned him 40 points in the Blue Grass Stakes and now he looks like he will be sent to race for the third time 30 days.

 

Ride on Curlin – Stammering around without a win or runner up finish in any Kentucky Derby prep put this pedigree hot shot in a predicament over the weekend. But, it wasn’t even close; Ride on Curlin made a late move and proved he may be worth a second look for the Kentucky Derby. He still doesn’t have a big win but he is consistent – G1 Champagne 3rd, G3 Southwest 3rd, G2 Rebel 3rd, G1 Arkansas 2nd.

 

Cairo Prince – I was pretty hard on this colt and his connections after a surprising 4th place finish in the G1 Florida Derby. With the withdraw of the Toast of New York and a few things going his way since, Cairo Prince now owns the last spot in the Kentucky Derby. Will Kiaran McLaughlin send him?

 

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As for a farriers go do you own or race horses I do you shoe person is a major part of your team and as far as a groom goes he or she means everything to a horse I mean everything so stop being a paper trainer drf man and spend so time mucking a stall and living the life and you would know the difference and if Phil Jackson was to coach the Knicks I am sure they would improve 1000% and contend for a championship within 3 years
As for pedigree her family as of right now he direct family (bond holder ) is the top female in the world and she can run all day so do your homework
Did you not see his race in the risen star bad post 3 wide entire race and the on far turn he exploded to sweep 6 wide to take lead and then tired because he ran wide entire race and still finished third and beat hoppertunity oh yea he also had a major abscess leading up to race really time means nothing we both know that other that that he has crushed all comers even with not changing leads down the stretch I will continue to believe if this horse gets a good inside trip near the lead and saves ground and not asked to go you will him explode the last furlong and be the at the wire Rosie is the key she is top 5 rider in the world has she or hasn't she crushed the top jocks at keen land all meet so again I will tell you this horse is for real
when are you going to realize that HORSES win races not farriers, grooms, trainers or riders. Quit looking at the connections and concentrate on the actual beings that participate and make racing racing. WOuld you bet on the New York Knicks based upon who their trainer was or the LA Dodgers by their exercise instructor? Of course not...
  • https://www.facebook.com/angelapicardi.ingrassia · Yes I would managers are the key all these athletes are pretty much even it's the coaching and mindset that is the difference you must not have competed yourself as a top athlete or you would know how coaching effects outcome hello I can bet you every penny I ever had if I had a 5k claimer and had him on the fence for 6 months and you had joe the trainer and bobby baffert both have the chance to correct this horse I am sure there would be a major difference in the outcome don't you agree so don't say it does not matter · 128 days ago
Vicar in trouble gets no respect (why)
Angela i don't have a future and most likely i will not be betting him come Derby Day. I think he is either the 4th or 5th best horse in the race. That at least gives him a shot.I think if this horse hits the board,good ole Ken will be doing the Irish Jig that night.
Angela, I like Vicar's in Trouble, and even have a futures bet on him still alive, but he is in a tough spot in the Derby. He likes to be on the lead, and doesn't like coming from off the pace or having dirt in his face, and he just isn't fast enough to have the lead in the KY derby. His fractions are slow by comparison (see LA derby), and alot of people will point to his pedigree to say he may not get to 1 1/4 miles. So i think that's why alot of people aren't giving him much of a shot.
Vicar in trouble gets no respect (why)
Uncle Sigh is in!
Good post early speed for position garden spot all the around shakes loose turning for home quickly opens by 4 game over if vicar is not asked to do his thing until the turn for home watch out
Tactical speed for position a push button burst for the finish omg go Rosie
Pocket rocket if vicar has not been asked to go yet and Rosie pushes button on the turn for home there is not another horse in this race who has the the turn of foot like this one A girl & a LA bred sounds like a movie to me oh year Ramsey too
Pocket rocket if vicar has not been asked to go yet and Rosie pushes button on the turn for home there is not another horse in this race who has the the turn of foot like this one A girl & a LA bred sounds like a movie to me oh year Ramsey too
Rosie/maker/Ramsey that's all you need to know hell they beat 100k claimers with a 20k claimer all the time now they have a million dollar horse in Vicar enough said Rosie finds a way to get a garden trip they say he can't get distance well he won at a 1-1/16 and 1-1/8 why not at 1-1/4
there is NO STAMINA in the breed...the vast majority of these colts could not win at 10 furlongs under 115 against an allowance field
ne careful to watch for ANY break in training for any of these.
Have only reviewed last couple of years of the derby; what strikes me is that the fields included numeous horses that 1 1/4 was not going to be a problem. This year there is alot of horses who ar accomplished but distance challenged. Betting opportutinites may present themselves.
I’m hoping Commanding Curve makes the Derby, and I think there’s an outside shot he will. As poorly as Vinceremos and Harry’s Holiday ran in the Blue Grass you’d have to think one if not both won’t move forward. Then, if Dance with Fate or another horse in the top 20 doesn’t go, Commanding Curve is in.

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Meet Bryan Brinkmeyer – Chicago, IL

 

Growing up I spent a lot of days in the Bluegrass State. Although I was born and raised north of the mighty Ohio River in Southwest Indiana, I was still next door to thoroughbred racing; Ellis Park, Henderson, KY 

 

Likewise, the first Saturday in May was always a celebrated family event. As my two brothers and I got older the battle for picking the next winner began to heat up. In 2000, I made my inaugural Kentucky Derby appearance. Since then I’ve made it an annaual tradition because there’s no other city or weekend in the racing world like Louisville, KY on Derby Day. 

 

Although the story of a Kentucky Derby winner is legendary, following a champions trail is what The Kentucky Derby Post is all about. The coverage begins when the 2-yr-old preps commence but it does not quit racing until all results are official, the field is set, the picks are made and the roses are worn. But that’s not all because the road doesn’t stop on the First Saturday in May. The elusive quest for the next Triple Crown has reached 35 years so I invite my readers to remain in the saddle through all three legs as we await the next Champion of Champions. Cheers.

 

 

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