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I was out to dinner last night wih some friends who enjoy Racing. I enjoy there perspective because they are not Gamblers. They have been following the game for about 20 years or so. They know it inside out. We were discussing the upcoming year and the conversation went to the Older Horse Division.They asked me what my opinion would be if CC or SB won the race this weekend.I told them that it would not change my mind, i think that they are both very good race horses. I added that my opinion would not change if either one of them went to Dubai and won,and then came back home and won many more Stakes. They thought i was being unfair and wanted to know why i did not think that they are Super Horses. My response was based on a recent thread here regarding the 1976 Marlboro Cup. To be considered a Super Horse in my eyes,you need to accomplish things that others don't. CC and SB, or any other horse in todays era has not and will not spot weight. They run at scale weights every time they step on the track. Maybe because i did see the very best at their best i have this mindset. Just like when CC went after the Triple Crown,he rightfully had everyones attention and it was exciting. But the bottom line is that he did not do it. He did what many others did in the past 20 years. He won 2 legs of the Triple Crown. I ask you, where does that separate him from the rest and makes him great. We spoke of SB,and they wanted to know why i do not blow his horn as much as others. They point out that ,if not for an incident at the start.SB just may be undefeated. I posed the question to them,becausethey love him and think he is a super horse. I asked them,what has he done in his 2 years of racing,that separate him from the rest to make him great. CC has accomplished so much more,yet i think he is far from being a Super Horse.Is it really wrong to consider these guys very good horses?
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  • tmallios via Disqus · Bottom line Buck,that in itself may be the greatest barometer. Who are we to say that this years or last years or the crops from the past 40 yrs were the best. That is all very speculative and usually very biased based on who is selecting them. But actually spotting weight,and i mean more than 10 or 13 lbs,not 3 to 5 as they do in todays modern era. That at least shows a dominance over the current group.Just off the top of my head in recent history.Ahorse i would consider knocking on that door would be Silver Charm. He won 2/3rds of the TC. Then as a 4yo, he went to Dubai and won.Came back in the Foster and spotted major weight,including around 8 or more pounds to Awesome Again(a stud in his own right,and a BC Classic winner)then running 2nd in the BC Classic. But what prevents him from entering is that he did not dominate for a substantial period. · 3 hours ago
  • buds · This is silly. How can we talk greatness when they haven’t accomplished anything great yet. How can they be considered great when a good portion of the racing community didn’t consider either of them the best 3 yr old last year (Bayern). They both need a few nice wins to get to that status, I will admit that they have impressive resumes. Again we cant knock a horse for something it has no control over. I couldn’t argue against greatness for horses like the above mentioned Silver Charm, or Zen, or Curlin, Goldakova, or even Wise Dan because they didn’t hold as much weight as the generations prior to their time on the track. The game has changed. · 2 hours ago
Curlin did something pretty special in carrying 128 pounds (The most weight carried for any Foster winner) in 2008, doing so in his first race back from Dubai.
  • tmallios via Disqus · How much weight you carry is irrelevant. The main thing is how much weight are you conceding to your top opponents. He did not concede that much weight. We brought up a horse like Forego,because when he beat Honest Pleasure. H.P. was one of the top 2 3yos' in the land. He spotted him 16 lbs and still beat him. That is comparable to last year,an older horse spotted CC or SB that weight and beat them. · 7 minutes ago
Wish he was going in the Fountain of Youth at Gulfstream next start. I understand he likes Tampa Bay track though.
good trainer and love the stride on smash and grab.
@seattlestrike12:disqus that is a good result?
@seattlestrike12 that is a good result?
One of my favorites at the moment! If he makes to any of the Triple Crown races he'll win.
If he makes it to the Derby, I'll be using him as a win bet.
Snoop earlier in the week you asked my opinion on him today. Think he has a big shot today. Give me 5/2 or better and i will try and capitalize on him.
I completely agree. CC and SB are very good horses. The best 3yo's of 2014. But they cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Secretariat, The Bid, Zenyatta, and so many others until they do something that truly separates them from the pack. And they haven't yet done that.
Greatness, in ANY arena, can only be logically assigned in RETROSPECT to see how the individual stacks up against the historical perspective of the entire gamut.
Please Texas Red, I <3 him (come on, he's Alex' boy)
This filly was very impressive in the Forward Gal, came running like a freight train after going 7 wide turning for home. She appears to have huge upside.
A video update of Beholder. Wish they all stuck around long enough to really fill out like this. http://www.hrtv.com/videos/beholder-doing-great/
East Hall did a nice easy breeze this morning with Saez up, just a maint breze did it well and easy, all systems are go for Sat. Donn. Seems to be better than he's ever been, looking for a big effort.
No matter if you are a fan or a player. Saturday Feb 7th promises to be 1 of the best Racing Days Nation wide. From Aqueduct to Gulfstream Park. All the way out to Santa Anita. Promises to be a great day.
Gotta root for my guy Distinctiv Passion. That kid is FAST. Besides, I kinda like him a lot ;)
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  • SSilence86 via Disqus · Conquest Two Step paddock pick · 19 hours ago
  • Sullivan · Glad someone caught that... Casse has a nice four year old. Surprised he managed to beat SC · 13 hours ago
Best filly on the west coast and maybe the filly in the Midwest!
Wowza! Sarah's Sis might have been best with that poor break, but TCB was something amazing because she shook her off once, and then dug in again when she came at her from the inside. Well done ladies, that was a fun race!
  • SeattleStrike12 via Disqus · I agree, she has fought gamely and she deserves this win and her others too · 18 hours ago
  • Sullivan · Terrible ride by Court · 14 hours ago
WOW!! Geared down to dominate the 96rock stakes at Turfway!!!! That BC Juvenile form is looking better and better every week!!!!
  • geldedridgling · The last time the Breeders' Cup Juvenile allowed lasix (2011), 9 horses from the race made it to the Kentucky Derby. We're probably looking at another year like that. · 17 hours ago
  • Sullivan · Let us remember the field for a listed stakes at Turfway in January may not be the highest quality... · 14 hours ago



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