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To all the faithful of this horse. You can hope and want him to run in the Belmont, but it will be for naught unless they make the change. That change will be to add the BIG L (Lasix). There is no way that this horse will be able to compete without it.
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  • Mary Z. · New non-comedy routine called, "Who Goes First?" Answer from the trainers is in general, "Not me." · 6 hours ago
  • Viper4 via Disqus · Three questions: What year did you take out you trainer's licence? How many horses have you trained and how many grade 1 races have you won in your career. Actually, there's fourth: are you just a handicapper who has betting on horses confused with training them? · 2 hours ago
Harvey is running friday the 9 the at Curchhill race 8th.
  • Mary Z. · If I'm right and Friday is the 8th, I will not have to re-do all of my appointments. · 3 hours ago
I don't think the issues in Blatimore will affect the Preakness.. As long as orgnized agaitators keep their distance the race will be fine. These protests are organized and funded by people with agendas. It's all very political in nature and not as organic as people are led to believe. Having said that back to racing. Had a blast at the Derby. Loved both Dortmund and Firing Line but of the 2 Firing Line has the best shot at beating Pharoah in my opinion. The complaints about Espinoza are many yet he won. I'm more wondering why Garcia tried to lead the entire race. He had the rail. Was it jockey error or is the horse not what we thought it was? I hit the supa, exacta and I also bet Firing Line WPS. Needless to say I earned a trip to the IRS window to collect. Handicapping the supa was easy because I was pretty damn sure Dortmund and AP would be in it. Firing LIne drawing the 10 and being rested made me comfortable with him too so it came down to the fourth horse and I used Carpe Diem, Materiality, Mubtaahij and Frosted. You experts in here might say a novice like me got lucky but it works for me. Will be at Pimlico in the morning to get my tickets. Going there personally. That's how concerned I am about any trouble.
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  • travel_vic · Things that are bothering people go FAR beyond one city. The term "shot walking while black" is a real entity with trigger happy law enforcement who are racially profiling. · 2 days ago
  • Wildcatter via Disqus · Well a tourist from Toronto, Canada was just gunned down by a thug here in Louisville on Derby night. Yes the patrons might be safe at the track but what about outside the track, let's say traveling from and to your hotel, like the victim from Toronto? And by the way it was a black on white attack. Just thought I'd throw that out there considering all we seem to hear from our media is how blacks are being preyed upon by law enforcement and the evil white man. · 3 hours ago
Lot's of folks seem to be hung up on Pharoah's ground loss. What's funny about the one-sided 'wide trip' argument is that no one is considering Firing Line's ground loss. Yes, if you move Pharoah in 2 paths to FL's path, you come up with an easy 3 1/2 - 4 length score for Pharoah. But what happens when you ALSO move Firing Line in 2 paths. When the "what-if's" are applied equally, nothing changes. Pharoah may have been the best horse on Saturday, but not by much. He better be ready for another fight in 2 weeks, especially if FL decides to run on his right lead. Stevens figured out how to beat Dortmund, and won't make the same mistake again in the Preakness.
Beholder worked 4f today, May 5th, at Santa Anita in 51. The slowest of 27 workouts at the distance, she was stretching her legs before the Vanity Handicap on Saturday, May 9th.
Me too...I am all in if he goes...for sure....I think he wins it and Velasquez and Pletcher surprise.
Foolish!!! Materiality wasn't on my ticket only because of his post. Pharoah and Frosted had 2 of the best 4 posts in the race. Frosted ran a non-threatening 4th with a clean trip from his preferable post. He could close in the Belmont, but I would pick Materiality over him any day of the week. The odds will be better and I believe Materiality is just a better horse.
He could definitely win the Belmont and I would pick him over Frosted any day of the week.
I laugh at your comment Trader Vic...only sustained animals...and this is not one of them by a long shot....so foolish!!! Watch the race Trader Vic...Over and Over....Closed after all that. You should be ashamed of your comments. You are talking about a horse who has had 4 races....who will get Velasquez again which I think is a plus.....he can stalk and close....This is a real good horse that has a definite chance of beating American Pharoah. My Pick will be Competitive Edge or Materiality. Whichever one runs. A sustained animal...this horse is bred Trader Vic and has never not closed in any race including the 1 1/4 Derby from the worst post imaginable....in between 2 horses with speed who had to get out and he didn't...You will eat your words Trader Vic!
If you don't think Materiality has any chance of winning if he goes, you aren't much of a handicapper and you only see the obvious. Watch the replay again!
Anyone willing to calculate the standings?
  • Plosives · I actually did have all of the standings about a month ago (Way later than I initially meant to), believe it or not. But do to my stupidity I failed to save it and lost all of the information. Due to the amount of time it took, and my anger level of loosing it all, I have not re-started. I will get it done. Kaitlin was pretty far ahead with AP's win in the Rebel. I imagine that has only about tripled with his win in the Derby, because most others listed have still not competed, or competed in a level that could contend. · 6 hours ago
American Pharoah is a great horse, but great horses get beat all the time. If its Dortmund, Firing LIne, and AP you are all okay and stand with the public choice and your favorites will get home. It's a no bet for me and wait for the Belmont where Materiality will be fresh and ready to win or place.
I hope for you Firing Line/AP bettors that this is the case. If Pletcher sends either Materiality or Comp Edge into the Preakness Field then you will have a long race.....Materiality was at least 7 lengths compromised and Competitive Edge will change the whole complexion of the race.
Listen..Frosted has a chance to place or show at Belmont. He will not beat Materiality if Materiality is in the race. Better horse who was compromised in Derby. You people who just look at the close and don't see other things will be the ones who lose. Frosted will be bet more then Materiality in the Belmont. Good Luck with that. The other thing is Firing Line isn't winning this race if Competitive Edge is entered. And Competitive Edge has a great chance to wire this field. He has never set an uncontested first quarter and I could see both Dortmund and Firing Line taking back. The Lip has Spoken.
I don't think Gary would be riding if he couldn't compete at an optimum level. This type of stage is the type of stage he came back for. Never discount him in a graded stakes race. The man has won 3 derbys. I rest my case.
  • amdaman via Disqus · '88, '95, and '97. I too won some medals when I was younger... · 9 days ago
  • amdaman via Disqus · I have to say he ran a good race, but he's still looking for his first post-op Grade 1. · 7 hours ago
Despite the fact that he washed out, started from the 15 post and had a less than stellar ride by his Jockey, he still Won the Race. How many lengths would American Pharoah need to win the Preakness by to say, "That is a good horse?"
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  • CauseForConcern · 18-10(American Pharoah and Firing Line). These same numbers hit in 1984-#10(Swale) and #18(Coax Me Chad) as well as 2005-#10(Giacomo) and #18(Closing Argument). I knew this stat going in, but didn't think lightning would strike a third time. · 7 hours ago
  • Sullivan · 1. Lengths are not such a factor as how the horse did it. American Pharoah was all out. If he finished the Preakness winning by a half length but somewhat easily, I will have complete confidence. · 7 hours ago
He's still alive?
getting tired of his final time already,he beat the field and his time was faster then all the other horses...enough already!!
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  • triplechrome · I agree. If your goal is to win the KD, Preakness and The Belmont why would you want to burn so much energy trying to beat a track time. As long as you cross the wire 1st is the goal. The wider trip is tiring in itself. · 9 hours ago
  • DDAmasa via Disqus · That's true. I think some of the debate started because some were calling him the next Seattle Slew and The Boston Globe even went on record that some established insider called him the second coming of Secretariat. That sort of hyperbole tends to set people off. But AP ran a perfectly good race and will likely win the Preakness. We are also likely in for five more weeks of manufactured hype (Chrome got plenty of hype last year as well, although no one was calling him the next Secretariat, thankfully). · 8 hours ago
Too many people focus on track times and not eyeballing competition and performance! Just, a little insight, NO two races will ever be run on the same type of track, snowflakes! Impossible to compare times!
  • baynut · Yeah, you're 100% right. Do away with timing races. Its really unimportant. I am going to sharpen up on eyeballing skills! It really helped with all those people that eyeballed Mubtaajhi into a serious contender. One of the most atrocious underlays in Derby history, thanks to all those eyeballs. · 8 hours ago
Lets also not forget this horse missed a scheduled work leading up to the race with a fever. Often times a fever, atleast in humans, is a symptom of another perhaps bigger issue. Lets hope he checks out and everything is ok.
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For as long as i can remember I have always loved horses and writing. The first race I ever watched was War Emblem's Preakness Stakes, but I didn't really start to get into racing until the next year where watched and cheered Empire Maker through the Derby, and yes, the Belmont.

I didn't begin writing until a few years later, when I created my own blog Horsin' Around. It didn't take long for me to realize that my niche was stirring the pot and creating heated debates, especially during the time of Big Brown vs Curlin and Rachel Alexandra vs Zenyatta. I was a Curlin and Rachel fan.

Now I am here under the name of Dead Heat Debates, and hoping to live up to that name. Have fun and let the opinions fly! 

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