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Not So Discreet

Last year it was all Bernardini. The son of AP Indy out of Quiet American mare was expected spring towards the top of the stallion charts. He has grade one winners Stay Thirsty, who was badly snubbed in the Eclipse voting and To Honor and Serve. This year he has Alpha, who just won the Count Fleet Stakes. Bernardini is hot as fire, but there may be some competition for him in the very near future.

Discreet Cat, born of the same crop as Bernardini, was brilliant while on the track. The son of Forestry beat the great Invasor in the UAE Derby. When he headed to the United States, he was three for three, and didn’t stop. He stopped his completion in the Jerome Handicap then burning, Breeders Cup Sprint Champion and Met Mile victor, Silver Train into submission. He was retired after only three races the next year, all were well below the standard he had set for himself the year before.

Discreet Cat, never did live up to the subtleness his name suggests, not on the track, and not yesterday in the shed. Discreet Dancer, broke the Gulfstream Park track record in his initial try, for five and a half furlongs. The victory was both dominant and dazzling. He returned in 2012 just yesterday in a mile allowance. It was supposed to be a highly contentious race, many having doubts if the colt could stretch his speed over a route of ground. He had not one problem, scoring impressively, in an open gallop, by over five lengths.

Discreet Dancer was impressive winner number one, and that was on the East Coast, now let’s switch directions and head west for the Sham Stakes. The Sham was supposed to be all Secret Circle. The brilliant and previously unbeaten Bob Baffert trainee has an abundance of speed, but was attempting his first race beyond six furlongs. Top of the stretch here comes Secret Circle, steadily putting away rivals, it looked to be his, that was until a big strapping colt by the name of Out of Bounds kicked into high gear and rolled past in the shadow of the wire. Out of Bounds is by Discreet Cat, giving his sire two wins on the day, one on each coast.

Top Milers are the most sought after stallions these days and not only was Discreet Cat a top miler, he was termed as a “monster miler” by Tom Durkin. In his prime there was none faster, none who could hope to keep up with Discreet Cat. Out of Bounds, while having sprinter influences on top, has a Derby winner on bottom. He stands at 17 hands tall, and is a big long striding colt. Discreet Dancer may have more speed influence, but if anyone watched yesterday, that colt had plenty left in the tank. He rated on the lead and finished like a monster.

Both these colts give Discreet Cat two very legitimate chances in the upcoming Kentucky Derby, meaning that should Alpha or any other Bernardini’s spring up, the Derby could wind up being a Bernardini vs Discreet Cat showdown.

 

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Check out the article in the Saratogan on Dec 7th, "Rising Stars: Discreet Dancer Dazzles in Debut", The article talks about his extremely talented and classy dam and her female family. His dam, West Side Dancer, is out of Gone West. The Gone West line has produced Excluswive Quality, Smarty Jones, Awesome Feather, and Quality Road. Tood Pletcher said Discreet D was not at all tired after a mile and can go the classic distances. Look at his dam's line to see that quality. Both he and Awesome Feather are on facebook. Pletcher has a Little Red monster in his barn. And you can only bet on him in futures, as he has 4 to 5 odds at the track in his first 2 races.
Too early to tell that Brian. Out of Bounds looks like one that can handle more distance, and DD looked to have a lot more in the tank. Elusive Quality has sired some top horses at distances, just look at Raven's Pass and Smarty. QR also was grade one placed at 10f. He could go either way with Forestry, but I do believe that the UAE Derby is longer than a mile. 10f may have been to much for DC, but during his prime that speed could be carried a good ways.
I think out of the three mentioned Indian Charlie colts, Liaison has the best chance of winning the Derby, but I really like Ever So Lucky, too. ESL was asked to route his second time out and just missed hanging on for the win. A little more experience could go a long way for him.
He will be an excellent sire, but will his offspring excel at two-turns? And Brooklyn Steve, good call on Indian Charlie ... I would add Liaison to the pair you mentioned.
Discreet Cat is moving quickly up the sire ladder, but he does have his compitition. As you mentioned, Bernardini is still hot. While Alpha won yesterday, Casual Trick may be the best of them all over time. And then there is the late Indian Charlie, who this year could also have 2 horses in the starting gate for the KY Derby in Ever So Lucky and Souper Speedy. Right now, it's a 3 way photo finish to the wire as to who is the best 3yo male sire.

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For as long as i can remember I have always loved horses and writing. The first race I ever watched was War Emblem's Preakness Stakes, but I didn't really start to get into racing until the next year where watched and cheered Empire Maker through the Derby, and yes, the Belmont.

I didn't begin writing until a few years later, when I created my own blog Horsin' Around. It didn't take long for me to realize that my niche was stirring the pot and creating heated debates, especially during the time of Big Brown vs Curlin and Rachel Alexandra vs Zenyatta. I was a Curlin and Rachel fan.

Now I am here under the name of Dead Heat Debates, and hoping to live up to that name. Have fun and let the opinions fly!