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Kentucky Derby 2014 - Danza Pedigree Profile

Will Danza be a one-hit wonder or a star of this year's Kentucky Derby?

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Wins a much deserved Broodmare of the Year! Just hoping she delivers a colt out of War Front. He'll be a monster
Got a question for you guys! Which AP Indy son is the best sire? Malibu Moon? Mineshaft? Jump Start? Pulpit? etc
Before i proceed any further on this thread. I would like to extend my sincerest apologies to one Claude R. McGaughey III(better known to John Q. Public as >>SHUG) I will be the first to tell you that i in noway have the credentials to question a trainer with his Resume , but here goes.Shug , what has happened to you in the past year. Are we looking for the publics attention,please do not tell me the ghosts of Elliot Guilliot are not around the corner. I loved the old Shug,quiet and conservative in his training methods. Always looking at the interest of the horse before anything else. I like the Shug who if he ran a horse back in 6 weeks time. He was considered over racing the horse. It all started with youboy hood dream when you finally won your Hometown Kentucky Derby. I get it,we were in La La land,and rightfully so. The dream ended abruptly when you lost the Preakness in such an awful performance for a Derby winner. The old Shug would of packed his gear and gone back to the Laboratory,pointing to the Dandy/Travers Double Header. Somehow the new Shug took over,he set aside all previous beliefs and methods. By the way,the ones that made him a Hall of Famer. He refused to see the signs of a tired horse(who laid it on the line the past 3 months) You instead allowed a 4Furlong work to sway you to the DARK SIDE. You ran in the BELMONT STAKES. OOOOuuuccccchhhhhh. This year,when everyone is screaming bloody murder and have caught on to the Cement based surface of Gulfstream PaRK. You raced T.C. hopeful Top Billing 3 times in a 50 day span over this catastrophic surface. Maybe it was a blessing that a minor injury occured and you were forced to scrape the master plan ,the one were you were prepared to run him a 4th time. Maybe the horse was smarter than all of the braintrust making the decisions. Maybe he faked the injury ,for some much needed relief. Then what does Shug do,Lets look at Honor Code. He missed substantial time due to leg issues. Rather than work him over the softer training facility at PMM,he has all his works at the Cement base factory(kudos Sullivan,you alerted me to this) If that was not enough,he aquelched plans to run ata a safer surface at Oaklawn. Just to run at the HIGHWAY. How did that work out.Which brings us to what me be the icing on the cake. He lef the best for last. Our guest of honor,the thread header. In Mr. Speaker,Shug arguably has one of the 3 best male 3yo turfers in America to date. This year he has run twice on the turf. He won a Stake and was placed ,in a hard luck trip. The only hiccup was the Dirt race. I have no problem with that race. You took the shot,that he might like the Dirt. Why not,Derby fever was spreading. No harm no foul with that move. My question is,why the LEXINGTON????????????????/. He has shown that the longer the distances ,the better he will be. Why the cut back and on a different surface. Please don't tell me you are looking to enter the Derby starting gate via the "BACK DOOR". Maybe wheeling a horse back in short time last year did not register yet. Mr. Speaker just may well love the Carpet on Saturday,he may even run a track record. But when will he ever run on this surface again. If you thought he was that good and you wanted a shot at the Derby. Why didn't we enter in the Bluegrass. Bigger purse and a more reasonable 3 week turnaround. You already have an experience to go back to. Point of Entry. You guys tried to force a square peg into a round hole his entire 3yo career. A stroke of luck made you guys try the weeds. You probably thought he was not good enough. So what do we have to lose. Shug,on the Turf. This guy is good enough. Do not waste the year.
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  • shackleford · Agreed, I would have rather seen him in Arkansas or the Bluegrass, or even the IL Derby or Tesio this weekend. Hope he runs well, regardless. · 28 minutes ago ·
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  • Sullivan · My Farish comment was in regards to his training practices, not his having them. As far as synthetic, Carl Nafzger has been very loudly voiced on its merits for conditioning, especially for Street Sense. · 1 minutes ago ·
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although i do not care for Tapit or Bernardini babies, i favor Ziconic over his older brother!
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  • The Doctor · you guys know the only two horses that have won the travers and then went on to sire more than one travers winner? · 6 hours ago ·
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  • The Doctor · Hint- One of them is Man O' War. · 5 minutes ago ·
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Question- What was everyone's favorite single performance by any horse from 2000-2010? There are no restrictions on location. I know a decade is broad, but somewhere in there is that one standout performance that stays in your mind.
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  • zXSwordXz · Oh, one of my favorite has to be Afleet Alex 2005 Preakness. · 47 minutes ago ·
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  • expidocious · Rags to Riches in the Belmont...it's the race that got me hooked on horse racing · 12 minutes ago ·
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Q of the D : in honor of Ruffian's birthday today, who do you consider to be the best filly of all time aside from her and Zenyatta?
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  • Buckpasser · Coyne.kaylor. Moni Maker definitely. Won the Prix d'Amerique and top races in Sweden and Italy as well as America. Great choice. I have a wonderful picture of her on my wall. · 2 hours ago ·
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  • travel_vic · yes thsi POOR old nothing of a horse. All in all, Imp started in a grueling 171 races, coming in the money in 126 of them. She won 62 times, placed 35 times, and came in third 29 times. A sprinter as well as a stayer, My Coal Black Lady defeated the best males of her times. · 34 minutes ago ·
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Friday's 9th race (5:13pm ET) from Keeneland is the Grade 3 Doubledogdare Stakes for fillies and mares traveling a mile and a sixteenth on Polytrack. #11 Strathnaver (8-1) enters fresh for Graham Motion and she won twice off the shelf in this country last year. She captured 1 of 3 all-weather s...Read More
  • cognibene · This is a good race with multiple possibilities that I looked at with interest. Contenders before scratches: #3, 8, 11, 10, 7. With long shot possibilities on the #6 and 4. Without a doubt, the horse to beat is the #10 Emollient (6/5) Smith/Mott. If the horse runs to its' ability, it's lights out and all over. However, the horse may be vulnerable due to its 2L and hard last race. If that is true then I will, at the risk of bucking Master Jarrod, take a shot with my pick....#8 Sisterhood (12/1) Ward/Velasquez. Has rising speed figures, coming off a layoff, surface switch and good connections....most of all value. Exotics can go many ways. I'll just stick to win and 2X place. Good luck!!! · 3 hours ago ·
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  • travel_vic · contenders: 10 Emollient 6 Dixie Strike 9 Solid Appeal 4 Gold Medal Dancer........... 9 10 6 7 come late · 38 minutes ago ·
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Gosh his owner is so confident in this horse. A little to confident.....
Johnnie Carrier is determined not to jinx California ChromeRead More
It’s no wonder that Game On Dude has been installed as the 4-5 favorite against six challengers in Saturday night’s $1.5 million Charles Town Classic.Read More
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  • amdaman · I don't think Moreno is a slouch. It surely is a tough spot to return off of a layoff, but he's probably going to make life difficult for Game On Dude. Having drawn to his inside, he'll surely be gunning for the lead. Game On Dude may end up sandwiched with Ruler of Love to his outside. I actually like the way Clubhouse Ride has been coming along. It seems they've been racing him into shape. I think the bullring suits his racing style very well. If he's ever going to beat the Dude, this is the spot. · 10 hours ago ·
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  • tmallios1 · If anyone thinks that Moreno is a good enough horse to win this race on his merits,i will never argue or try and convince otherwise. But what makes anyone think that his front running style will bother G.O.D. . Apparently many did not see last years race where the Dude won. He did not wire the field in doing so,he sat 2nd off of Percussion and dusted him off when he was ready. The fractions were pedestrian,they went 25 / 49 through 4 furlongs. The Dude was relaxed throughout the race. If he were the speed freak people try to make him,he would of never rated 2nd comfortably. Marys favorite monkey is far from being an idiot. If Moreno is hell bent on the lead.Mikey will oblige like he did last year. But the race is not won,just because a horse is on the lead at the half mile pole. Even at the lovable Bull Rings. · 2 hours ago ·
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On April 17th he worked 5F over in 1:03.40 over Fast Dirt at Payson Park finishing 5/6.
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  • tmallios1 · If this one is still at Payson Park,something has to be wrong. At this time the horses should either be at their home base or at the track they are Race prepping. · 2 hours ago ·
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  • Sullivan · Horse is recovering from an injury · 2 hours ago ·
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Here another talented horse who had a shot at greatness, along with constitution, shared belief, indianapolis, and a few others that are off the derby trail. Im sick and tired of politics and bullcrap in horseracing, i think we could have had the best field in over 20 years and now its over, at least five legitimate stars and i think shared belief was the best out of all of them. What a shame, all because of crooked politics and corruption in horseracing, until it stops, there will be no triple crown winner.
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  • Sullivan · I am bummed to see Indianapolis,Tonalist, and Constitution out of the Derbt, but it adds excitement to the summer. · 6 hours ago ·
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  • tmallios1 · Other than Constitution,regardless if the other 2 showed promise. When were they ever serious contenders based on how they ran? · 2 hours ago ·
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Pletcher has multiple horses in the race(Surprise-Surprise) The reality is that Global View just might be the best suited for the task. His best race to date was on the Turf. Could be this weekends Danza at the price.
Glad to see him have a timed work at least. Would have loved to see him in the TC, but if he gets back into form, he's the monster that will win the BC Classic easily.
Excellent short video of the start of Coolmore. Cameo's from Vincent O'Brien, a Young John Magnier, Robert Sangster, Nijinsky and some of NOrthern Dancer's talented progeny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7EXNTOzVd4
Z13s name is Ziconic.
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  • EP Taylor · LOL! · 13 hours ago ·
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  • Sullivan · Secretariat is from Secretariat General, moderator of the United Nations. Very powerful name, as all great stallions have. If not Ziconic, what would you name the colt? · 6 hours ago ·
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Rosie you are my hero!!!i am a 13yo girl and I'm going to be a jockey!
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  • Jay S. · Go get 'em J2B! · 12 hours ago ·
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  • Sullivan · You are old enough to have a Facebook I think. Go ahead and friend Rosie, Maylan Studart, and join Jockey World. It wiill help you get a start. Good luck. · 6 hours ago ·
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Updated futures odds just released...California Chrome is now the 2-1 favorite after dropping from 3-1 earlier in the week. Both Wicked Strong and Danza (named after actor Tony Danza) are listed at 8-1, while Vicars In Trouble is 10-1. Others include Hoppertunity and Cairo Prince at 14-1 and Wildcat Red at 16-1.
I don't think he'll win if he goes to Kentucky, but I am a fan of this horse and think he will improve with age and experience. I hope to see him around next year as a strapping 4 year old!
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  • coyne.kaylor · I agree with you Northport. I've never been a backer, but he's made me a believer. I have to use him underneath · 9 hours ago ·
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  • Sullivan · He ran well to be second over an overrated bunch. Could be hell on the regional Derbies, and should only get better with age. · 6 hours ago ·
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Had his first winner today!
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  • Mary Z. · Which race, jmac? · 8 hours ago ·
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  • Sullivan · r2 @ Keeneland. Nice little sprinting colt. Quality Road had a lot of speed, his get should be quite talented. I didn't see many in sales. Doubt his book would be small, knowing Farish. Perhaps people just don't want to let them go. · 6 hours ago ·
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